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I took the NYPD exam last month at the State University of New York Albany. I think I knocked down a good score and I am graduating college soon so I was wondering how fast I could be into an academy class? A guy who sits next to be in a foreign policy class says he is being rushed for the July class and if I dont make that one I will have a years wait to look foward to due to the Mayor's budget cuts. I didn't understand what you guys were talking about when you said NYPD puts people in classes without completing the full BI but now I do , they are rushing this guy and I dont think they will have his BI done by the time he enters the academy in May.
Any help would be great
SecretNY
03-27-2002, 14:15
I'm confused about that last sentence. I think you meant July...
Anyway, it depends on a lot of factors. When did your buddy take the test? If he took it last July, most of them are almost done processing. They are just starting the medical for the November testers, plus they are taking people from the last five or six tests. I'm not quite sure they "rush" anyone through the process. It might seem like it to your friend just because the NYPD is notorious for calling (or getting a letter) at the last minute to show up here or there etc.
I honestly don't think that the Feb 02 testers will make it to this academy, but who knows. Today Kelly and Co. sent a team to Columbia University to start their Ivy League recruit effort....
Good luck,
SecretNY
The BI is basically what you offer to tell them just be honest and you are in.
The IVY league thing is such a waste, I talked with alot of Ny guys and they said it would be better spent with a raise to give them a morale boost or use the money to start a better recruiting campaign to people that would actually like a job with the NYPD. In all reality, they have a hard enough time recruiting people with 60 credits or a 4 year degree from a Non-Ivy league school, so what makes them think they will get IVY league grades who can start with jobs that will pay them in their first year what a NYPD cop makes at top pay with OT.
Sounds like a far reach! Perhaps, they should sit down and construct a better way to run the processes for possible future recruits. Like waste less time each time you have to go to one of the steps, like get you in there and out of there, would be alot better and more efficient.
I read then invited like 40 guys for a physical at the academy and then came out and said O sorry guys, nothing happening here today except a Blood drive. The left hand doesnt know what the right hand is doing.
K9 Police
03-27-2002, 14:55
I agree with Fred. I think that NYPD would gain a lot of EXCELLENT officers if they would follow some other departments. A couple months ago Seattle came to Milwaukee, WI to do some recruiting. I know that LAPD has been in the MN/WI area before. But I have never heard of anyone from NYPD coming out to the midwest. I know that if the recruiters came to the Midwest (WI, MN, IL, MI), I would sign up in a heartbeat. With school, work, and everything else, there is no way I can head out to New York for a physical. Especially, when I have heard stories saying that they send you home for another day.
I give all the respect for NYPD and would love to work for them one day. I think that going to other states and testing there would bring a lot more candidates than trying to recruit IVY league students.
Just my opinion.
K9
First of all, never underestimate the NYPD-APD's potential for lunacy. They HAVE rushed candidates through the process. They have sworn in guys and sent them to the academy w/o the BI being done. Then, something comes up in their BG and they are canned! It is a matter of record.
Secondly, there is no guarantee that the class will be in July. It can be earlier or later. I have learned that all estimates and forecasts are subject to change at a moments notice at the NYPD. For instance, my BI told me they were looking for 3,000 guys for June about 6 weeks ago. A week later it was 1,500 for July. He is as good a source as it gets so, if something hasn't actually happened at the NYPD, consider it speculation.
I would be surprised if they can process Feb. testers for the upcoming class. However, normally you wait three months before you get your test results and are hopefully invited to continue the process. After that, the process itself is about another three months (if all goes well--and that is a big IF).
Who knows, if they can get those test results processed quickly, they could process you guys by July without even having to 'rush' the rest of the hiring process. I wouldn't count on it though.
Either way, don't worry. There will be other classes (pehaps in less than a year).
Even with the budget cuts, the department is going to be well below the reduced headcount threshold. All the Superclasses of the early eighties are due for retirement. They are going to get out while the getting is good because they will not have a greater opportunity for a fat pension due to all the 9/11 related OT. So, the dept will need all the manpower it can get!
SecretNY
03-27-2002, 16:52
One reason I doubt that the Feb. Testers will get processed, is that the APD is super swamped with applications. I read that there are 9500 testers for this upcoming test. Applications have gone up in records for a first quarter since the NYPD allowed onlince applications (about time).
I think that the Ivy league is just a PR stunt (dano?) It looks good in the media to say "NYPD is out at the top schools looking to hire the best and blah blah blah..." When I was in Hollywood (in my former life) studios used to have Nationwide searches for the next "Robin" in the Batman movie (for example). They would send casting directors to the major cities across the nation and of course, the local media would give them free advertising and hype. Needless to say, the studio already had "real" actors in mind for the part. My point, I believe Kelly is trying to raise the image of the NYPD and get more people in. Personally, I think a better wage is the way to go. Besides, I can see the current officers constantly giving s*&* to the Ivy League types. Of course there will be a Harvard NYPD club, a Yale NYPD club, etc. Just what we need....
Take care,
SecretNY
plus how long will they last when for the first year or two they're stuck on some God-foresaken corner standing a post with inspections lurking around trying to jam them up for not wearing a hat, all for 32K :)
NYPD actually has a scholarship program where one cop a year gets a ride to harvard for a masters. you get a leave of absence and a stipend, good luck getting that one though. i looked into it and was told rather bluntly the hook is key.
stay safe all...
SecretNY,
Of course it's a stunt. The Harvard-graduated commissioner returns to the Ivy league to look for the next Comm. Kelly?!?! What a lead! The press bites on it and then the public marvels at the NYPD’s magnificent efforts to attract the cream of the crop (yeah right, maybe when they stop laughing). It has the fingerprints of a second-rate PR Flak all over it! Hell, I am surprised Kelly himself can actually sell this crap and keep a strait face!
If you have competitive pay, you don’t have to jump through these absurd hoops to get good people. Instead they come to you. End of story!!!
I’ll give him this, it is a positive step in theory. Going to schools or other places with large numbers of desirable candidates is a tried and true recruiting method (duh?). However, you don't need to go to Ivy League schools to improve the number or caliber of the typical recruit they are getting now! Any reputable school would suffice. Given the pay and morale issues, it is idiotic to think that this is going to attract a significant number of Ivy Leaguers!
Even the ones who are willing to overlook these issues will run for the hills the minute they get a taste of the grossly dysfunctional Hiring Process. After all, they have more career alternatives they any of us. Why would they put up with it (they are smarter than us...aren't they)? LOL
Kelly is a Harvard man and this is the best he can do? If so, does the department really need more Ivy Leaguers in the ranks?
I seen the news today about this IVY league and they interviewed some students and they were like only a few or very few would even consider that.
Others were like it seems like a good idea but it doesn't seem like it will work. This is coming from the IVY league students themseleves, hence maybe the upper brass should get the hint!
http://www.ny1.com/ny/TopStories/SubTopic/index.html?topicintid=1&subtopicintid=1&contentintid=20179
SecretNY
03-27-2002, 23:30
I just watched Channel 2 CBS NY and they had the DUMBEST report on the new NYPD recruit effort. They said that the NYPD is looking for people at the Ivy League schools and around the country (is PA the whole country?) for a July 1st academy. I doubt that anyone taking the test in June is going to the academy in July. Of course they left that out. Then, the f*&(ers had the gall to end the report stating that "with this new recruit effort, the NYPD can finally get the best cops!" I kid you not. I nearly threw my remote at the TV. What the hell does that make us (and the rest of the force not from Yale?)
Whatever...
SecretNY
Let the recruiters not forget all the book smarts in the world might not be good enough, if there is no common sense up stairs!
MikeNYPD
03-28-2002, 00:20
Well Congrats to all the guys who are starting there new career's.. Well as for the NYPD trying to get people from Ivy League schools, I agree that is not a birght idea.. How are you going to get them to accept a job that pays 31,000 a year?? I mean that would be a tough sell.. I have been here for over 2 years and trying to get out as soon as possible.. The job is good, but the bad is to much to bare.. Even with a good contract which probably will not happen, people will continue to leave..
SecretNY
03-28-2002, 00:29
Mike, if you don't mind, I'm sure all of us in the process would like to know why you find it so bad? Was it just the pay? Politics? Your precinct?
Thanks,
SecretNY
SecretNY
03-28-2002, 08:32
This article from todays New York Times says it all....
March 28, 2002
At Columbia, Police Recruiters Draw Little Interest, Good or Bad
By AL BAKER
n the first day of the Police Department's Ivy League recruitment campaign yesterday, turnout was so poor that a forum at Columbia on 21st-century policing had to be canceled. But recruiters still managed to sign up more than 35 students willing to take the next police examination.
That degree of interest, though small, students and professors said, represents a significant shift in campus attitudes toward the police since the heady days of rage 34 years ago, when protesting students took over an administration building and more than 200 were arrested.
In one sense, Columbia has changed. It has become more conservative, students agreed. But times have changed too, especially since Sept. 11. The Police Department is also trying to change. After years of casting the widest net possible to replenish its ranks, it is now stepping up efforts begun to seek the best and the brightest from elite universities.
"The department has come a long way since the days of the 60's," said Officer Mahaan Chandu, 39, a 10-year veteran who was not on campus yesterday but who has undergraduate and graduate degrees from Columbia. "Recruiting is a very hard sell at a school like Columbia, where people go to get a good head start in life."
Most students who were loping lazily between the ivy-covered buildings yesterday said without hesitation that they would never dream of becoming a New York City police officer.
"Absolutely not," said Adrienne Leduc, 18, a freshman political science major. "Never."
Whether the students who signed up to take the exam will actually show up on test day is an open question.
Still, many students said they understood the Police Department's thinking: the department needs smart, responsible officers, and society needs committed public servants.
As part of the campaign, police commanders are scheduled to visit other elite colleges, including Howard University on Tuesday, Yale on Wednesday, Temple and New York Universities on April 9, and Harvard on May 11.
Certainly, there are more graduates of top universities on the New York force now than in the past, though department officials said they were still rare. Since 1995, recruits have been required to have two years of college or two years of military service.
Police Commissioner Raymond W. Kelly, a graduate of the John F. Kennedy School of Government at Harvard, has admitted that the current campaign is as much symbolic as substantive, and part of a larger effort to diversify the department. He is also recruiting at military bases, churches in minority neighborhoods and train terminals.
But students at top universities are hard to lure. The stress and danger of police work and the relatively modest pay tends to keep away even the loftiest of idealists with a yen for public service, students said yesterday.
"Most kids coming out of here are looking to make some large social change or big money," said Paul Niesen, 22, who is studying psychology and philosophy. He said he had two words for police recruiters on campus: "Good luck."
Other students were less accepting.
"I don't really believe in the police force, and especially the New York version of it," said Mark Weiner, 20, a sophomore history student, as he sat in the shadow of the "Alma Mater" statue on the library steps, smoking cigarettes. "They apply brutal tactics to other human beings."
His friend Imani Alexander, 20, a senior at Barnard, said she saw police work as a vital job, just not one she was called to perform. She said she chose to use her education "to help raise others up."
Some students also raised practical questions about police work, asking, what student who stands to earn a six-figure salary within a few years of leaving Columbia would be interested in a Civil Service career, one for which the $31,305 starting salary is less than the annual cost of attending the university?
How many would have to put up with raised eyebrows from their peers or parents, who never saw Columbia as preparation for a career in law enforcement? In the precinct station houses, would they be considered misfits, too bookish for a blue-collar job patrolling the streets?
For its part, the department, which has had difficulty attracting potential officers, is not giving up hope. It is selling the job with all the patriotic fervor of a military campaign. A flier advertising the forum yesterday featured American flag and Statue of Liberty logos.
"What we say to people is that you're not going to make a lot of money, but you're going to be rich, rich in experience," Mr. Kelly said yesterday after a graduation ceremony at Madison Square Garden for 1,359 new officers. He later visited Columbia.
So far, recruitment efforts are well ahead of recent recruitment efforts, primarily because of a new online application system, said Assistant Chief Rafael Pineiro, who was encouraged by the number who signed up yesterday. He said the figure was comparable to the number who had signed up at other campuses in the past.
Students told the police that e-mail was an effective advertising approach for the next forum.
Still, in a word or with one shake of the head, most students simply rejected the recruitment efforts.
When asked why they signed up to take the test, many shrugged and said, "Why not?"
MikeNYPD
03-28-2002, 09:39
Well the problem I have with the job is simple.. First the job can care less about you.. But then again you can say that about many jobs.. The pay is a joke.. Until you get to that 5th year you are going to have a hard time making money.. Yes OT but you got to do alot if you got a family a child or anything.. They want better morale, but really do nothing to accomplish that in my eyes. Well I loved where I was working in Manhattan North got transfered, because someone with a "Hook" did not want to go to Manhattan South and they sent me instead.. So I am currently stuck..If you had asked me 6 months ago the job was ok to me.. I liked where I was working was busy.. Now I really am looking to leave, and oh yeah politics is another thing.. Hey I am not going to say the jobs sucks nobody go for it, But think before you jump.. People sometimes think it is better then what it is.. ANd sometimes think it is worse then what it is..If I was to do it all over again, I would probably not.. I feel for me it was not worth moving from Jersey to NY for the job..Well hope that helps alittle.. For you guys in the process good luck.. If there is anything I could help you with ask I will be happy to help..
Mike
SecretNY
03-28-2002, 09:58
Mike, I live in the Manhattan South district. I didn't think it was so bad. Are you still planning to move to Florida? I'm also in the process with Broward Sheriff's Office and Miami-Dade PD. Both are excellent departments. My fiance might get a job down there, so I'm covering my options. I'm curious, was this your first job? The reason I ask, is that for me, this is a career change. I know I'm going to take a pay cut, but I have new goals and plan to be a cop for a long time. So I guess what I'm saying is that for me, I've played around, taken shit and learned my lessons, and now I'm willing to work in an environment that is more hassels and less comfortable. Personally, I'd rather work Manhattan South than say the 23 (Harlem for those who don't know it).
Let me know if you have any questions on the Florida (I lived there for two years before NYC) departments.
Good luck,
SecretNY
MikeNYPD
03-28-2002, 10:15
Hey there well I enjoyed where I was in Manhattan North, so when I went to Manhattan South I was not very happy.. The South is not so bad, just not what I liked.. Well this is not my first job, I had others and enjoy the job it is just some things you deal with here you do not in other dept.'s.. Well Florida is still a strong option I am looking hard into.. So that might be in the plans soon.. Well if you get a chance in Fl. I would take it.. I know I will when and if it happens. Well the 23 LOL.. it is a good place to learn.. Well take care, if I think of anything I will let you know.. Good Luck..
Mike
Signing up to write for an exam online takes next to no effort. Showing up to take it is another story, especially if it's hot, cold or raining out. I don't know why the recruiters are crowing about an increased number of applicants. Let's see if they translate into more testers or simply more no-shows. I'd bet the latter.
This Ivy league scam sounds like a waste of recruitment dollars. The only benefit that I can see is that is attracting media attention to the NYPD recruitment efforts. I have to wonder if this type of media is in anyway beneficial. From reading the articles posted and comments its seems like a complete waste of resources. Wasn't Comm. Kelly a high school drop out when he first entered law enforcement. Isn't most of his education paid for by the departments which he worked for, after he was veteran police officer? Don't you think there is a difference between a person whose mommy and daddy are putting their baby through school and a Veteran police officer who has spent years in the trenches and then returns to school. Anyways good luck to the NYPD applicants.
Trooper
So Frustrating. This entire campaign is offensive. I will take a peasant blue collar as my partner any day.
This is how it has been and this is how it will always be. Did MOST Ivy League men and women go to vietnam? NO. When it all comes down to being in the trenches the best canidate is and has always been a regular guy. Scholars should study and let us "common folk" do what's in our blood. When the need calls we have always been there.
I do not apologize if I have offended anyone from an Ivy league school. It wouldn't be the first time I made someone mad.
Jason
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