FLETC and cheating

[MacLeod]

I have put off posting this for several reasons, which I won't belabor here and now. But now, I think it deserves some consideration here for some of our board members that will be joining us in the near future.

FLETC will not tolerate cheating. And yes they will dismiss you, and your agency will likely terminate you as well. Recently, two students (not in my class) were caught cheating on the FINAL Legal exam. For those of you that don't know, that means within 10 days of graduating from CITP. From what I have learned, they couldn't offer much of an explaination, but they have retained attornies.

Discussion: Honor Codes are not antiquated, but it seems our society has bent the code, vice breaking it all together. I don't know the students personally, but I imagine their actions were more a result of maturity, or lack there of. I think most would agree that in today's University academics, cheating isn't so much condoned, but rather just not focused on. Therefore, the would be honest student is tempted to sneak a peek at a neighbors paper during exams. Just like so many indescretions, wisdom and good judgement are often overpowered by youth.

Well anyway guys, you are working hard to get here. Don't do something that will embarrass yourself and terminate your career before it gets started.

Training here is not like college academics. You are evaluated on your ability to perform tasks. Tests are just one method of measuring your ability to remember the law and apply it to different scenarios. The tests aren't that difficult. Certainly not so difficult that you should jeopardize everything.

Stepping off the soapbox now.

[jbak]

I wouldn't of thought that would be an issue with the LE crowd, but I guess I'm wrong. How stupid can some people be, it boggles the mind. I can't imagine putting all the time in, in the hiring process, interviews, BIs, and then most of FLETC to just throw it away..

[Joe159]

I dont feel sorry for anyone who gets terminated due to cheating on an exam. You are so right about the younger guys in these academies. The mentality and maturity. Thats why its difficult to get on at a very young age(21 years etc). Depts know that alot of young applicants dont have the maturity yet to carry a gun and enforce laws.

Of course, I'm not talking about all young applicants. Just some.

[bushmasta]

We had a trainee terminated while at the FLETC. It was because of suspected intergity issue. In an excercise scenario, (a drug bust) we made arrest and accomplished reports. there was a discrepancy in the reports between the agents. I honestly don't believe my classmate lied intentionaly, he didn't take the excercise serious enough or the follow on report writing. They terminated him. So the honor code at FLETC is serious, even with the appearance of an intgerity violation.

[erosado]

I agree with being dismissed if you cheat at FLETC. No doubt about it.

Now I have a question about studying for these test. Is the atmosphere like a college, where students get together in study groups or is that not encouraged? Are there guidelines regarding group activities of this sort? I know that when put on probation there are resources like tutors and the like to help you along, but these activities would be aimed at staying out of probation.

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[spb10059]

Group studying is recommended. The best way to do it, if your class is organized, is to assign a couple of IPOs to each student to answer a few days before the test, have someone compile all of the answers into a study guide, and distribute it to the class. The IPOs (interim perfomance objectives) are given at the beginning of each section of material, and are answered in the lesson. Basically, if you can answer the IPOs, you will pass the test.

[MacLeod]

I don't think FLETC really gets uptight about cheating on the peripheral, but when it comes to looking on someone else's paper, then thats another story.

I don't want folks to mistake what I wrote about the students that allegedly cheated. I think it was a maturity issue for those individuals, but certainly that remark shouldn't be used as a broadstroke for the younger students. There are two students in my class that are 22 and 23. The 23 YO is a like a 13 YO and it shows. Good kid, has a lot of heart, but I think he could've used several more years to ripen on the vine. But hey, who am I to be judgemental, I act like a 13 YO all the time too.

[internal68]

I was told that the two who were busted for cheating were not struggling with a 70% average. They both had a 90% plus average and were competing for Honor Graduate. Go figure?

[WILawman]

For the students sake, I hope they have an explaination for what happened. If they cheated...bye, bye. Zero tolerence.

[Trek]

Earning distinction as a Honor Graduate by cheating is incredible. Since when do Honor and Cheating belong together?
If they are guilty of cheating, I'm glad they were removed.

[Cascade]

What in the heck ever happened to "I will not lie, cheat, or steal, nor tolerate those who do."

I think those two should be asked and forced to repay the agency all of the money the agency expended putting them through the hiring process plus thier salary, room and board at FLETC. That's what I would like to see happen. Just my humble opinion.


I forget where I saw these two quotes below, probably here, but I think they're pretty appropriate.

"Without Integrity you are a waste of oxygen."

"If I were the logistics manager for Satan, ordinary run-of-the-mill liars would occupy an especially painful circle on Hell's ground floor. The truly horrible basement level would have a reserved section for liars with badges. There, they could keep the other inhabitants of that level (child molesters and mass murderers) entertained with stories about making a mockery of the public trust and urinating on principles that better men and women have died for."

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