Sig's for Chicago PD

[Spidey-Man]

Can anybody advise if a Sig P220 (45Acp) is authorized for the CPD, or advise on calibers as well as gun brands. Since were on the Chicago subject, are hinged cuff's authorized? My BI stated that the gun should be ok but was not exactly sure. As far as the cuff's go, I forgot to ask. I'm currently with a dept. that uses .45, I would hate to get rid of it, specially for a 9mm. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.:bounce:

[CanineCop]

I don't have an inside track, but...
I read an article by Mas Ayoob where he said Chicago cops provide their own hardware and it had to be DAO 9mm or .45 from a list of manufacturers that included Sig. You might have to get your 220 DAOed. No clue on cuffs.
Good Luck, K9

[Spidey-Man]

Thanks for your help!

[illinoissheriff]

You can carry a .45 Sig while you are on your 18 month probation. The last week of the academy, the range instructors gave an alternative weapons qualification. Most people I graduated with qualified with various revolvers, but I qualified with the .45 Sig ( Sig 245 ). All you have to do is get permission from your Watch Commander to carry the gun off duty from whatever district you are assigned to on your first day of work.

The Sig 245 is a great gun for off duty. Once you are through with probation, you can carry the full size Sig 220 on duty.

On another note, I've been told by many range instructors that the .9mm and .40 cal. Glocks are being tested again, but with an 8 pound trigger pull.

Just food for thought for all you Glock lovers out there.

illinoissheriff

[Spidey-Man]

Thanks for your reply. Im starting to dream here, but I think in a perfect world I would be a Chicago cop carrying a Glock 21 .45ACP(which is what I currently carry) Although it's a tough choice because Sigs are so awesome. Anyway, Im here just waiting for a date to take the final power test and then off to the academy. I took the written test Jan. 2002 anybody else out there from Jan 2002???

[scootsmo]

Just found out about the .45's last week so my previous post was not right. You can't have the .45 while you are in the academy though.

[cpd50]

Just to add what was said up above, hinged cuffs are NOT allowed, now of course not everyone follows dept. policy, but if something goes down, you will get nailed....

[Sheriff'02]

I would be interested to hear if anyone knows why hinged cuffs are not allowed, I understand the difficulty getting them on quickly but someone who uses them constantly can work them just as well as chained

[Spidey-Man]

This has me baffeled as well. I carry both a set of hinge and a set of chains. I prefer the hinge cuffs. I only use the chains as back-up or when I arrest somebody with small wrists (usually females).
Both are from Peerless which makes there chains smaller then their hinge cuffs. As far as non-complying customers go, the both have their pros and cons. I have found that criminals don't like the hinge cuffs, specially when they start to pull away after you put one cuff on and then you immediately escort them to the ground via hinge cuff. For me, hinge cuff's are the way to go.:spindemon

[cpd50]

Don't get me wrong, the hinge cuffs are the way to go, however, due to the "community policing" we have, we need to be the "kindler, gentler" police......and we all know how that works..

[CanineCop]

In my opinion, the primary reason Depts. don't allow hinged cuffs is that you can (if not carefull )really tweak a scumbag controlling him with the cuffs and they don't like the lawsuits.
That said I use both and if the poor misunderstood darling gets hurt, it's on him.
Stay Safe and Good luck, K9

[Spidey-Man]

In a fantasy world: I'm going to start suing scumbags for not complying and making me hurt them!!! So sad how a crook can screw your life, but god forbid you violate his rights...... if your under arrest and you do not listen , well, you deserve to get hurt because Im in fear for my safety. Don't get me wrong I'm a firm believer in community policing. I enjoy the fact that I meet a lot of nice people from all walks of life, and to all the hard working good people I'm officer friendly and I will protect them to the best of my abilities. To the scumbag beware! I will fight against you and your attorneys, as well as the upper brass in the dept. that has forgotten what it's like to be getting your butt kicked with no back up nearby (how do some of these people even become cops?). Sorry people today I just had to vent.

[Sheriff'02]

Originally posted by CanineCop
In my opinion, the primary reason Depts. don't allow hinged cuffs is that you can (if not carefull )really tweak a scumbag controlling him with the cuffs and they don't like the lawsuits.
That said I use both and if the poor misunderstood darling gets hurt, it's on him.
Stay Safe and Good luck, K9

I guess that makes sense never really thought about it from that point of view. Then again my saftey is much more important to me

[CanineCop]

It has been said before but I'll say it again. If you work for a Dept. that encourages you to do what you have to do to go home safe, then be thankful. There are many Depts. out there particularly in large urban areas that would just as soon you went toes up rather than harm a suspect and cost them law suit money or political capital with their minority constituants.
I work with several good officers who left the streets after being discliplined for using reasonable force (as defined by lack of true bill or aquital in court) because it was politically expedient for the higher ups in their job. This happened mostly in Southern California. They realized that next time they would be worried about the suspension instead of staying whole and it would get them killed. Political correctness is simply a pain most of the time BUT it can get you killed if it goes to far.
Again, Stay Safe, K9