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Guess I'll start the new IOI thread. Here's my time line:
Applied: 10/04
Interview: 1/05
BI packet rec'd/ret'd: 3/05
Waiting...
Good luck to everyone and chime in w/ any info.
Recon 5764
03-23-2005, 15:29
I am waiting with you. HQ said that my file had been turned over to a BI. 3T was suppose to let us know how his interview with his BI went today.
Anyone have any info on the next FLETC class?
Here is my timeline
4/04 Apply
6/04 Written Test
10/04 Interview
12/04 Background Investigation
3/04 Background update call
Hey all, saw that a new thread has been started and like I said, I would let you all know how the interview went.
First things first....
my time line:
10/2004: Applied
11/2004: Letter saying I was qualified
02/07/2005: Interview
02/17/2005: Received BI packet & returned in 4 days
3/10/2005: received call to clarify sf86
3/23/2005: BI started.....what next?
Well guys/gals, I finished my 2 hour BI interview this afternoon and have to say it went well and have very good feelings about the process. Supposedly, ATF has given my BI a priority (don't know why) and the investigator wants to complete my BI soon. I think he said by the end of next week. He does not have much to do...he told me that he only had to cover the "highlighted" areas which was present and most recent past employer/residence, get employment records and speak to some co-workers, friends and neighbors. I got the impression that if I pass the BI I could be on the way to FLETC (fingers crossed :rolleyes: ). I assume that since he only has to cover from roughly 2002 to the present, the ATF must have been able to use my previous BI for my current job.
I don't know what is going to happen after my BI is finished, the invesitgator speculated that those who get favorable adjudication should get a CO from ATF to report to FLETC after being if they accept the duty station offered (could the June class date Gibbarn mentioned be true :eek: ); who knows...maybe someone who is currently with ATF can chime in. I was hoping maybe Gibbarn could let us know since he has already been through the process, but I guess he is MIA settling in at his duty station. I thought that we had to go to one more "hiring panal" after passing the BI, but the invesitgator was not sure. He assumed that after the BI was done, people would be hired and offered a slot. Only time will tell.
Simon and Recon, you two may be getting called in the near future. Mine took just a little over 1 month from filling out the sf86 to being scheduled for the interview. My investigator said that he had a few others to do in the area, but did not say an exact #.
The only questions I have now that the investigator could not answer were:
1)when do we find out the 1st duty station
&
2)what else is left after the BI? Poly? Drug Test? Medical Exam?
can anyone answer these?
any how I'll keep you guys up to date....good luck to all of you in the pipeline.
Having read the previously closed posts, i was curious if this job is mainly inspections and reviewing records. The title of Investigator seems to not really apply after reading up on it. (discrepencies are referred to criminal investigators, etc) This leads me to think they review records, books, etc and more or less stop there and report it. Should problems or wrongdoing be discovered, they stop and refer it to enforcment agents.
I read an old post where it was stated that they do no investigations and the change is in name only since there still atf inspectors.
Any likelihood they will ever do actual investigations of interviewing people, preparing evidence, meeting w/ AUSAS, etc or will it still be the above inspection of books, etc.
Thanks for the input
SH
The purpose of reviewing records and books is to identify and initiate administrative and or civil proceedings for violations of the regulations and laws. It does involve interviews and IOIs do work with agents on cases and do prepare evidence and testify in criminal cases. However, the bulk of the work is inspection of premises and administrative which requires a significant amount of field work. Not an LE position and not going to become one but an important and interesting job. A pretty good example of where the positions collaborate in ATF would be a case where a corrupt licensee is dumping guns on the street and cooking the records. An IOI would be involved in recreating the inventory that moved through that location as both a lead and as evidence to be used in a prosecution. Similar work might involve missing and stolen explosives or the diversion of alcohol and tobacco products with the money going to criminal and terrorist enterprises. I would say the majority of the IOI work does not involve working with the agents and vice versa but that effort to keep the legitimate industry up to snuff is a key element in preventing bad things from happening to good people.
3Turner
Congrats on everything so far! :D :D :D You stated you think they might have used your past SF86 to do your BI. Are you currently working as an investigator now for the feds? I just wondered what your professional background is and if that is why you might have been given favorable attention as opposed to some of us who don't work for the feds or might not even be working in the capacity of an investigator.
Thanks...... :D
Recon 5764
03-24-2005, 09:15
Hey all, saw that a new thread has been started and like I said, I would let you all know how the interview went.
First things first....
my time line:
10/2004: Applied
11/2004: Letter saying I was qualified
02/07/2005: Interview
02/17/2005: Received BI packet & returned in 4 days
3/10/2005: received call to clarify sf86
3/23/2005: BI started.....what next?
Well guys/gals, I finished my 2 hour BI interview this afternoon and have to say it went well and have very good feelings about the process. Supposedly, ATF has given my BI a priority (don't know why) and the investigator wants to complete my BI soon. I think he said by the end of next week. He does not have much to do...he told me that he only had to cover the "highlighted" areas which was present and most recent past employer/residence, get employment records and speak to some co-workers, friends and neighbors. I got the impression that if I pass the BI I could be on the way to FLETC (fingers crossed :rolleyes: ). I assume that since he only has to cover from roughly 2002 to the present, the ATF must have been able to use my previous BI for my current job.
I don't know what is going to happen after my BI is finished, the invesitgator speculated that those who get favorable adjudication should get a CO from ATF to report to FLETC after being if they accept the duty station offered (could the June class date Gibbarn mentioned be true :eek: ); who knows...maybe someone who is currently with ATF can chime in. I was hoping maybe Gibbarn could let us know since he has already been through the process, but I guess he is MIA settling in at his duty station. I thought that we had to go to one more "hiring panal" after passing the BI, but the invesitgator was not sure. He assumed that after the BI was done, people would be hired and offered a slot. Only time will tell.
Simon and Recon, you two may be getting called in the near future. Mine took just a little over 1 month from filling out the sf86 to being scheduled for the interview. My investigator said that he had a few others to do in the area, but did not say an exact #.
The only questions I have now that the investigator could not answer were:
1)when do we find out the 1st duty station
&
2)what else is left after the BI? Poly? Drug Test? Medical Exam?
can anyone answer these?
any how I'll keep you guys up to date....good luck to all of you in the pipeline.
Good Luck and I hope I will be with you in June.
Illini02
03-24-2005, 09:33
Ack! Am I the only one still waiting to get either a "thanks but no thanks" letter or a conditional offer for this position? :( All you guys are making me jealous! :p
Timeline:
Applied 10/04
Letter saying I was qualified: 1/05
Interview: 2/05
Thats great news 3T! Thanks for the updates. I'm still waiting for gibbarn to resurface and answer my PM. Good luck to everyone and hang in there Illini02.
Recon 5764
03-24-2005, 14:20
My time line:
Applied.........................11/04
GS9 letter......................1/05
Interview.......................2/05
FedEx package arrived.....2/22/05
Sent back.....................2/24/05
SF86 Question................3/14/05
waiting to be contacted by BI.........................
christienyca
03-24-2005, 14:49
3Turner
Congrats on everything so far! :D :D :D You stated you think they might have used your past SF86 to do your BI. Are you currently working as an investigator now for the feds? I just wondered what your professional background is and if that is why you might have been given favorable attention as opposed to some of us who don't work for the feds or might not even be working in the capacity of an investigator.
Thanks...... :D
Science
My background also went through extremely quickly and I do not and have never worked for the feds. I was also told by the investigator that completing my background was considered a priority. The investigator told me that they probably wanted my background completed quickly to get me in the next class. It was finished in under 2 weeks. Now I am just waiting to see what happens next. Does anyone know when the next class is?
Recon 5764
03-24-2005, 16:31
We heard a rumor from FLETC (via gibbarn) that there might be one in June.
Anyone else.........?
We heard a rumor from FLETC (via gibbarn) that there might be one in June.
Anyone else.........?
i was told the same thing from an ATF Op Sup
justice07
03-25-2005, 18:21
Hello candidates, where can I pull up a seat? I just interviewed this week and my timeline is running a bit later than most:
Applied: Nov 12, 2004
Test: Jan 10, 2005
Letter stating I was qualified: Feb 2, 2005
Interviewed: March 22, 2005
It seems as if everything is moving at a consistent pace. During the interview, I was a bit surprised to learn how little the interviewers really know about placement. They were, however, very candid about the fact that most people passed the interview. We'll see how long it takes from here forward to get a BI packet.
Hopefully I'll see some of your real faces in June or beyond!
To anyone currently in the hiring process...has there been any mention of what geographical choices are available?
To anyone currently in the hiring process...has there been any mention of what geographical choices are available?
I was told if one of the five choices that you picked did not have a vacancy, you are sort of "looked over" and they go to the next candidate. I don't know if it means you're completely out of the game or if they put you aside until sometimes opens.
I was also told if you receive a COE, and you pass the BI, it doesn't guarantee you a spot anywhere even if you picked a location that has a vacancy, but rather, they match you up against all other candidates & picked the most qual'd.
Can anyone verify this? I was told a lot of offices on the west coast need people. Again, can someone verify that?
Illini02
03-26-2005, 16:14
If that rumor is true, and people were notified only if one of their five choices had a vacancy, can I ask those already in the pipeline what their choices happened to be? If you don't want to give cities, how about geographical areas.....were any of them in the Midwest or Southeast? Just curious. :)
justice07
03-27-2005, 17:12
I also got the impression during my interview that if I wanted to go out west, I could practically go anywhere I wanted. Arizona and California were both suggested as "good options".
I only chose places in the midwest and was told there was a slim chance I would get any of them. :( Also of note, the interviewers suggested that the DC area was not in need of any IOI's at this time.
christienyca
03-28-2005, 10:23
I also got the impression during my interview that if I wanted to go out west, I could practically go anywhere I wanted. Arizona and California were both suggested as "good options".
I only chose places in the midwest and was told there was a slim chance I would get any of them. :( Also of note, the interviewers suggested that the DC area was not in need of any IOI's at this time.
I was told that New York and New Jersey are not hiring.
slatercm
03-28-2005, 10:29
To anyone currently in the hiring process...has there been any mention of what geographical choices are available?
After my interview, I was told to pick my top 5, but that it was just a "dream sheet," and that ATF would place me where THEY needed me.
There isn't a guarantee on any location.
christienyca
03-28-2005, 11:38
Does anyone know if we will be assigned a location before being sent for the 7 weeks of training?
During the interview, I was also told that the 5 choices were just a wish list. If an offer was made, it was still based on the needs of the ATF. That shouldn't come as any surprise. As for me, I picked all midwest areas.
To the question of when assignments are made, I've heard from a couple different sources that assignments will come prior to FLETC and be part of the COE; ie: "We're offering you [insert city here]. Take it or leave it."
Does this jive with what everyone else has heard?
ltdbcp01
03-28-2005, 13:57
Well I just got through reading the new posts. I still have not heard anything yet.
My time line is:
Applied GS-9: November '04
Letter stating I was qualified: Jan '05
Interviewed: Feb. 1, '05
Recieved BI packet: March 11, '05
Returned BI packed: March 14, 05
I have a friend who is an IOI and she stated that she has been told that there is another training class in June. I was told by my interviewer that they wanted to have everyone hired and in place by the first of June to be ready to start the next training session.
christienyca
03-28-2005, 14:23
Well I just got through reading the new posts. I still have not heard anything yet.
My time line is:
Applied GS-9: November '04
Letter stating I was qualified: Jan '05
Interviewed: Feb. 1, '05
Recieved BI packet: March 11, '05
Returned BI packed: March 14, 05
I have a friend who is an IOI and she stated that she has been told that there is another training class in June. I was told by my interviewer that they wanted to have everyone hired and in place by the first of June to be ready to start the next training session.
Does hired and in place mean that we will have to move to our assigned location prior to attending training?
ltdbcp01
03-28-2005, 15:47
I took it to mean that they were going to have you hired and posted by that time. He also stated that passing the training is a requirment of continued appointment.
justice07
03-28-2005, 16:05
What did everyone on here apply as? I had to test in Jan because I had not applied for the previous 09 vacancy. Although after the test I was then qualified as an 07.
christienyca
03-28-2005, 16:13
What did everyone on here apply as? I had to test in Jan because I had not applied for the previous 09 vacancy. Although after the test I was then qualified as an 07.
I applyed as 09 and qualified.
3Turner
Congrats on everything so far! :D :D :D You stated you think they might have used your past SF86 to do your BI. Are you currently working as an investigator now for the feds? I just wondered what your professional background is and if that is why you might have been given favorable attention as opposed to some of us who don't work for the feds or might not even be working in the capacity of an investigator.
Thanks...... :D
Check Your PM.
If that rumor is true, and people were notified only if one of their five choices had a vacancy, can I ask those already in the pipeline what their choices happened to be? If you don't want to give cities, how about geographical areas.....were any of them in the Midwest or Southeast? Just curious. :)
I don't know if the 5 I picked have vacencies, but I picked 3 cities in TX and 2 in CO. Although, there is really only 1 city I would really take to start my federal employment and move later (Okay ATF hiring person :winkee: ). I don't want to have to move to a high cost of living area with a GS9 salary. I mean, it only seems logical to let me go to my #1 choice since there is an IOI office there AND I live there already, right?? :rolleyes:
From here on out, I am going to be real nice to that "drunkin' monkey" that we all know is choosing all the assignments for the new hires. :D If I get hired of course.
For those of you that got hired with the Federal Intern Program announcements, is there going to be any other 'steps' before receiving a COE? I asked my investigator, but he said that he thought that the BI was the step prior to receiving a COE or duty station assignment. Anyone know?
What did everyone on here apply as? I had to test in Jan because I had not applied for the previous 09 vacancy. Although after the test I was then qualified as an 07.
Recon 5764
03-28-2005, 19:37
I just got the call from my BI. He said it was a priority and due by the 2nd. I will meet him tomorrow.
3T and Science are we getting closer????
DUSMLance
03-28-2005, 20:28
I am in the process for SA ATF, and I just read a thread that another SA applicant wrote about his BI saying the same thing. Could it be that they are accelerating the hiring process to reach their hiring golas for this fiscal year?
I just got the call from my BI. He said it was a priority and due by the 2nd. I will meet him tomorrow.
3T and Science are we getting closer????
Lucky Dog you.... I haven't gotten that phone call yet, but hopefully soon.... At least my BIs started and farmed out to an investigator. I know that much. Tell us how it goes with the investigator..... :eek:
christienyca
03-29-2005, 12:29
Does anyone know how long it typically takes to hear anything after the background is complete? Does the contact generally come via mail or phone?
Recon 5764
03-29-2005, 12:59
My BI just left. I feel good that things are rolling. He said that all BI's go back to DC via email instead of Fed Ex or snail mail. He did say that he might not finish until tomorrow. He did reiterate the "priority" part. He didn't have any info on FLETC, he said they don't even tell him who is hired. I am quite excited. I will post anything that I hear.
3T, Science and Simon .......... :)
christienyca
03-29-2005, 17:32
Does anyone know if IOI's are required to pass any type of physical tests such as running a mile in x amount of time at FLETC?
I don't think there is any physical training for this position as it is not considered law enforcement.
I don't know what happens after you meet the BI, I met mine in late December, was sent in January. I didn't hear anything until two weeks ago, I got a call from HQ, asking some basic update questions for my background.
I believe backgrounds need to be update every 90 days or so, that is about how long it was from completion to update.
I hope the rumors are true about a June class, because I really want this job.
Does anyone know if IOI's are required to pass any type of physical tests such as running a mile in x amount of time at FLETC?
There is no physical requirements or testing for this position. Good luck...
Well, I found out today that my BI is still going on strong. I ran into the investigator at my office. He was there today talking to my boss, co-workers and reviewing my file. I did not even think to ask how much longer. Oh well, anyone else know if their BI has been finished yet? Recon? Science? Simon?
One person I have not seen in awhile is TX22; since the last thread was closed. If your around, has your BI been started?
I'm still waiting to be called that my BI has started. Not too worried, yet. 3T, I think you said it was about a month from the time you mailed back your packet till the time you got the call that your BI had started. Recon posted that his has started. My timeline is just a bit behind his, so hopefully I'll hear something soon. You can bet I'll post just as soon as the call comes.
I'm sitting in class, bored out of my mind so I checked the ATF website. It shows the new GS-9 posting closing on April 1, 2005 (next week).
It also says that the GS-5/7 position will be posted in the near future. Anyone else think this is good news for those of us already well into the process? Seems to be a great need for IOIs.
I'm sitting in class, bored out of my mind...
Man I remember those days. Are you still in college or going for your masters?
...Seems to be a great need for IOIs.
seems like it, but where is the need located at? I sure as heck don't want to move to a high cost of living area. :rolleyes:
Recon 5764
03-30-2005, 17:24
My BI just left my house and neighborhood. He said he would do the report and email it by friday. I too saw that the job was reposted, even the 5/7 position. Hopefully there is still a need.
3T and Simon stand by for a pm....
;)
christienyca
03-30-2005, 17:24
I'm sitting in class, bored out of my mind so I checked the ATF website. It shows the new GS-9 posting closing on April 1, 2005 (next week).
It also says that the GS-5/7 position will be posted in the near future. Anyone else think this is good news for those of us already well into the process? Seems to be a great need for IOIs.
The people I interviewed with in the New York office told me that during the next two years a significant number of the current IOIs will be retiring, as a result ATF is looking to bring on a lot of new IOIs this year so we will be fully trained by the time all of these people begin to retire.
Has anyone noticed that these positions seem to be popular with women? I know several people who applied for this and they all said there interviews were conducted by women.
Just an observation....
SM
Recon and 3T, sent you each a PM.
The people I interviewed with in the New York office told me that during the next two years a significant number of the current IOIs will be retiring, as a result ATF is looking to bring on a lot of new IOIs this year so we will be fully trained by the time all of these people begin to retire.
I recently heard 150 IOIs this year, and 150 IOIs next FY. No word on my BI but I'm about a month behind everyone.
Anyone know when the new FY 06 starts for the G? I've heard July, but wasn't sure.
Recon 5764
03-31-2005, 13:27
July 1 is correct.
Gender wise, pretty close to 50-50. Federal fiscal year starts October 1; not July 1. Used to be July 1, but Congress, stuck as always in getting this done moved it way back in the 70's and gave us the year with 5 quarters. Apparently, you can only use that dodge about once every 50 years or so.
My BI investigator called last night, a Saturday evening no less! I'll be calling him later today to set up an interview appointment for next week. I'll post more when I know something!
Good luck to everyone!! :hustle:
Recon 5764
04-03-2005, 11:02
Simon,
Good Luck. My BI should have been turned in on Friday. I thing 3T was ahead of me. Hopefully we will hear something soon.
;) :)
Congrats Simon. I'm sure that things are going to move along pretty fast for you now.
Recon, My BI won't be finished until sometime next week (hopefully ;) )
I ran into the investigator Friday after work and he was trying to contact my neighbors, but no one was home at the time. Spoke to one of my neighbors and he said that he was going to call back and schedule something (on Saturday). I also know of one of my friends who has an appointment on Monday morning, but I don't know if any of the other references I provided have been interviewed. No one else has called me. So, I'm still waiting also. Maybe your BI will get adjudicated before mine :rolleyes: .
Oh well, back to watching some fishin' on t.v. :D .
Recon 5764
04-03-2005, 15:57
My BI said that he had a due date of 4/2 on mine. He came to the neighborhood and talked to the neighbor on the sf86 plus a couple of more. When he left he was on his way home to type up the report and email it to DC. I am getting anxious. Good luck to everyone else.
I would like to hear from TX22 and Gibbarn.
Hey congrats on everyone on the page. Hope everyone makes out alright.
My BI said that he had a due date of 4/2 on mine. He came to the neighborhood and talked to the neighbor on the sf86 plus a couple of more. When he left he was on his way home to type up the report and email it to DC. I am getting anxious. Good luck to everyone else.
I would like to hear from TX22 and Gibbarn.
I met with my BI on March 31st. He told me that he has to have my background done by April 22nd. I don't think he has started talking to people yet. I am probably one of the only people that applied for this job that doesn't wan't to get hired too quickly. My reason for this is that I make my GS-11 with Customs at the end of July. If I am a 11 when or if they offer me the job they will have to match my GS-11 pay. I would come on as a 9 step 5 or something close to that. I wonder if we could actually get job offers within the next four months. If that happens that would be lightning fast for the gov't. It took 14 months for me to get hired by Customs. This job is on pace to get me hired in well under a year.
I met with my BI on March 31st. He told me that he has to have my background done by April 22nd. I don't think he has started talking to people yet. I am probably one of the only people that applied for this job that doesn't wan't to get hired too quickly. My reason for this is that I make my GS-11 with Customs at the end of July. If I am a 11 when or if they offer me the job they will have to match my GS-11 pay. I would come on as a 9 step 5 or something close to that. I wonder if we could actually get job offers within the next four months. If that happens that would be lightning fast for the gov't. It took 14 months for me to get hired by Customs. This job is on pace to get me hired in well under a year.
Well TX22, Long time no see. :D A lot of us were thinking you were MIA. That is pretty wierd that your BI was started on 31 March and that the deadline is 22 April. My BI was started on 23 March and was supposed to be finished by tonight 4 April (or so he said). I am sure that ATF would match your pay in step increases, I don't see why not. You are already a Govt employee. I also think that this process is going lighting fast for the Gov't. When I had my BI done for Customs back in 2001, they took 1 1/2 yrs to complete from start to finish. ATF is moving along very rapidly, make you wonder what the rush is :rolleyes: .
Just a heads up. I'm meeting w/ my BI investigator later this morning. I'll post this evening with any new information. Unlike TX22, I'm hoping to get an offer ASAP. Graduation is looming closer and closer and having a job offer would be a nice graduation gift.
Good luck to all. More later today...
Illini02
04-05-2005, 10:09
Just wondering if there were any other people besides me reading these posts who have yet to anything from the ATF? :rolleyes: Best wishes to everyone in the pipeline...you guys rock! :)
Recon 5764
04-05-2005, 10:21
TX, I hope you get what you want. But I am with Simon and 3T, I am hoping for a quick offer. I have no source for this (other than Gibbarn, still MIA) but if they are going to field a June class, then they will probably be hiring soon (and hopefully it will be us!!!). I am not looking forward to being away from home for 8 weeks. I haven't done that since boot camp (a long time ago). I have already checked into the cost of flights from that airport right on the edge of FLETC.
Good luck to everyone. Let us hear from you. If you hear a bunch of hooping and hollaring from TN you will know what it means.
:D
christienyca
04-05-2005, 10:34
TX, I hope you get what you want. But I am with Simon and 3T, I am hoping for a quick offer. I have no source for this (other than Gibbarn, still MIA) but if they are going to field a June class, then they will probably be hiring soon (and hopefully it will be us!!!). I am not looking forward to being away from home for 8 weeks. I haven't done that since boot camp (a long time ago). I have already checked into the cost of flights from that airport right on the edge of FLETC.
Good luck to everyone. Let us hear from you. If you hear a bunch of hooping and hollaring from TN you will know what it means.
:D
I am also hoping to be in the June class. If we are hired, how much advanced notice do you think we will get?
Good Luck.
You know what Turner, April 22nd may not be the exact date. I have been so busy lately that I may (probably!) have heard wrong. I have been working a lot of doubles and for the last two weeks I have been on leave visiting my family in Houston. I have been living out of a suitcase for a while. I also was in one of best friend's wedding. So, yes I have been MIA for a while but now I am back. I hope everything is going good for everyone. The BI actually met me here in Houston while I was on my leave which I thought was kind of odd. It seems like he is in a big hurry.
LATER!!!!!!!!!!!
Just got done with my interview with the BI investigator. Is it just me, or does it wear anyone else out to have to answer all those questions about yourself? I guess it's just nerves and wanting the job so bad that makes it feel that way. Anyway...
Nothing new that hasn't been posted by Recon, 3T, and TX22. My packet had "priority" listed on the front and he said he needs to have it completed by the end of the month. He couldn't tell me anything else, but I left the room with a good feeling. Now, back to waiting.
Hang in there Illini02.
....The BI actually met me here in Houston while I was on my leave which I thought was kind of odd. It seems like he is in a big hurry.
TX22, I don't think it was odd that they tracked you down while you were on leave. It only goes to show that they have a priority on your BI and did not want to wait till you returned :D . You must be a walking zombie after working all those doubles then going on leave to a wedding.
Well I guess were are all in the wait game now....I wonder who will get the first COE now that our BI's are done/started. :rolleyes: .....for now, I suppose that we all have to go the "GOV waiting room" in our head to pass the time working at our current job....
3T
Recon 5764
04-06-2005, 09:08
Hey....
Since I am new to the federal arena. How does a COE come to you?
Hey....
Since I am new to the federal arena. How does a COE come to you?
Usually by snail mail...at least the one I got with Customs in 2001. At present time, not sure...and with ATF, I'm sure snail mail also. I have seen though some people have gotten phone calls.
I just got some info today from the ATF today. I called and spoke to a very nice lady and I asked her a few questions. She told me that there definitely will be a class in June BUT that class will be filled with people who have already completed everything. She said most of the people in that class should be finished everything right now. The only way any of us will make that class is if our backgrounds get done relatively quick and some of the people in that class turn down whatever city the ATF offers them. Now some better news.....There will be a class right after that in August. It is very possible that some of us could make that class. I say possible because the classes only have 48 slots. There have to be more than 48 people right now across the U.S. trying to get this position. After the August class there will not be another class until after the new fiscal year in October. Everyone keep their fingers crossed and hope we can make that August class.
LATER!!!!!!!
I just got some info today from the ATF today. I called and spoke to a very nice lady and I asked her a few questions. She told me that there definitely will be a class in June BUT that class will be filled with people who have already completed everything. She said most of the people in that class should be finished everything right now. The only way any of us will make that class is if our backgrounds get done relatively quick and some of the people in that class turn down whatever city the ATF offers them. Now some better news.....There will be a class right after that in August. It is very possible that some of us could make that class. I say possible because the classes only have 48 slots. There have to be more than 48 people right now across the U.S. trying to get this position. After the August class there will not be another class until after the new fiscal year in October. Everyone keep their fingers crossed and hope we can make that August class.
LATER!!!!!!!
TX22, great news & thanks for the intel. Now the only thing left to do is to figure out a way to mentally manipulate the mind of the person who determines which city we are assigned :rolleyes: and get us to the cities we want to go to. Or should we cut off the supply of hooch to the drunkin' monkey? :D
christienyca
04-06-2005, 14:52
I just got some info today from the ATF today. I called and spoke to a very nice lady and I asked her a few questions. She told me that there definitely will be a class in June BUT that class will be filled with people who have already completed everything. She said most of the people in that class should be finished everything right now. The only way any of us will make that class is if our backgrounds get done relatively quick and some of the people in that class turn down whatever city the ATF offers them. Now some better news.....There will be a class right after that in August. It is very possible that some of us could make that class. I say possible because the classes only have 48 slots. There have to be more than 48 people right now across the U.S. trying to get this position. After the August class there will not be another class until after the new fiscal year in October. Everyone keep their fingers crossed and hope we can make that August class.
LATER!!!!!!!
This is great news! I am so excited their actually will be a June class. Did the person you spoke to mention any dates for the June class or when they will be notifying people?
This is great news! I am so excited their actually will be a June class. Did the person you spoke to mention any dates for the June class or when they will be notifying people?
No she didn't mention any dates but I forgot to ask. Are you already done with everything?
christienyca
04-06-2005, 16:12
No she didn't mention any dates but I forgot to ask. Are you already done with everything?
Yes, my BI was completed on March 17. I have been checking my mailbox everday since! I would like to make the June class...
Anyone have any insight into what cities are in need of IOIs?
I'd be willing to wait till the August class if the COE was for one of the cities I picked on the wish list. Just a little wishful thinking on my part. Guess I should wait for the BI to be finished before I put the cart before the horse.
Well.. I know now I won't be making the June class. ;)
Now I just have to manipulate myself into believing that i love my present job, and hope things pan out for August.
;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
My BI seems to be clicking right along. The investigator's already met w/ close to a dozen people since our initial meeting earlier this week. My phone hasn't stopped ringing from everyone I listed on the SF86 calling me to give some ribbing about an ATF agent who's recently come knocking on thier doors.
The investigator came by my house last night to speak w/ my wife and said things are looking fine so far. It's getting very difficult to contain my excitement and concentrate on finishing my assignments before finals. :bounce:
Once again, good luck to everyone!
My BI seems to be clicking right along. The investigator's already met w/ close to a dozen people since our initial meeting earlier this week. My phone hasn't stopped ringing from everyone I listed on the SF86 calling me to give some ribbing about an ATF agent who's recently come knocking on thier doors.
The investigator came by my house last night to speak w/ my wife and said things are looking fine so far. It's getting very difficult to contain my excitement and concentrate on finishing my assignments before finals. :bounce:
Once again, good luck to everyone!
Simon, I know how you feel. I too and getting jumpy at evey phone call and running to the mail box everyday. I spoke to my investigator this morning and he said that he had already sent my BI up to HQ, so all I had to wait for was adjudication and the COE. Its just too much to handle.....my bosses at work are already ribbing me with remarks like "There is just no work to be done around here, but once someone leaves to the ATF, some of the other investigators will have some work to do." and I say, "who's that, I wonder who is getting looked at by the ATF?" :rolleyes:
Recon 5764
04-08-2005, 19:22
OK, I am freaking....my BI didn't ask to talk to my wife. Also FYI, I am trying to get a friend to see if my local SAC knows anything. I realize they are on separate sides of the "house", but a friend close to the SAC is gonna ask. ;)
Simon--Bar results come out 4/22. I figure it will all hit at once.
Later....everyone enjoy the weekend.
OK, I am freaking....my BI didn't ask to talk to my wife. I wouldn't worry....my wife was not interviewed either. I don't think this job would require it anyhow.
Also FYI, I am trying to get a friend to see if my local SAC knows anything. I realize they are on separate sides of the "house", but a friend close to the SAC is gonna ask. ;) Let us know of anything new.
have a safe weekend all....
Recon,
I didn't clarify before, but the reason he needed to speak to my wife is b/c I listed her as the person to confirm my period of unemployment during my first year of law school. I don't think spousal interviews are a normal part of the BI for this job. Probably just w/ an actual 1811 position. Sorry if I gave you a heart attack.
Did you take the 2/05 BAR? I was under the impression you'd already been a practicing member of the "dark side" for awhile now. :vader: Good luck with that. I'm sure you did fine. Hopefully, I won't have to worry about sitting for that thing in 2/06. I didn't even bother applying for the July exam b/c of the chance of getting this job.
Looks like there is quite alot of interest in this ATF position. I am curious to know if anyone has applied under the LATEST announcement #CK20399? It closed on 04/01/05.
What's going on guys? Has anyone heard anything new? What cities are you guy's hoping for? Would you be willing to move across the country for this job? I already did that once and I won't do it again. I'm hoping for anywhere in Texas.
Hey TX22, nothing new here....all I know is my BI is finished. Just waiting. I'm hoping for TX also like I mentioned before and I would not consider moving for this job until I could reach a gs-11/12.
3T, TX22, and anyone else,
Thought I'd let you know Recon started a new IOI thread today. I'm somewhere near the end of my BI. I'd consider moving for this job so long as it wasn't to either coast. Call me crazy, but I prefer the midwest states.
S-
3T, TX22, and anyone else,
Thought I'd let you know Recon started a new IOI thread today. I'm somewhere near the end of my BI. I'd consider moving for this job so long as it wasn't to either coast. Call me crazy, but I prefer the midwest states.
S-
Yeah, I hear you on that...at least in the red states you can still afford to purchase a home on a Gov't salary.
Yeah, I hear you on that...at least in the red states you can still afford to purchase a home on a Gov't salary.
That would almost be true if FL and VA were not red this time around :rolleyes: .
christienyca
04-15-2005, 08:40
I just got some info today from the ATF today. I called and spoke to a very nice lady and I asked her a few questions. She told me that there definitely will be a class in June BUT that class will be filled with people who have already completed everything. She said most of the people in that class should be finished everything right now. The only way any of us will make that class is if our backgrounds get done relatively quick and some of the people in that class turn down whatever city the ATF offers them. Now some better news.....There will be a class right after that in August. It is very possible that some of us could make that class. I say possible because the classes only have 48 slots. There have to be more than 48 people right now across the U.S. trying to get this position. After the August class there will not be another class until after the new fiscal year in October. Everyone keep their fingers crossed and hope we can make that August class.
LATER!!!!!!!
I was just wondering who you called to get this info? I also have a few questions but I am not sure who to call. Thanks.
Recon 5764
04-15-2005, 09:09
I was just wondering who you called to get this info? I also have a few questions but I am not sure who to call. Thanks.
There is a number on the letter you received that told you what GS level you were qualified for if hired. If you don't have that letter go to the ATF website and find the HR # there are two numbers make sure you call the regular # not the one for SA.
...........and are you sure you want to go for 8 weeks of training immediately after you get married?? :o
christienyca
04-15-2005, 09:15
There is a number on the letter you received that told you what GS level you were qualified for if hired. If you don't have that letter go to the ATF website and find the HR # there are two numbers make sure you call the regular # not the one for SA.
...........and are you sure you want to go for 8 weeks of training immediately after you get married?? :o
Thanks for the info! I really don't want to go away for 8 weeks immediately after but I also want to be sure that I have a job! I am currently not working, so I really want this job. Also I have been holding off on buying a house for about two years now, so I really want to know where I will be living. Its something I am willing to do to get the job I want!
Recon 5764
04-15-2005, 09:20
Thanks for the info! I really don't want to go away for 8 weeks immediately after but I also want to be sure that I have a job! I am currently not working, so I really want this job. Also I have been holding off on buying a house for about two years now, so I really want to know where I will be living. Its something I am willing to do to get the job I want!
Good Luck
I got the number from the ATF website. I got it under the jobs link. Once you click on the jobs link click on contact ATF's Personnel Office. The number says it is for Agent recruiting but it is also for Inspector recruiting.
http://www.atf.gov/jobs/index.htm
christienyca
04-15-2005, 18:02
I got the number from the ATF website. I got it under the jobs link. Once you click on the jobs link click on contact ATF's Personnel Office. The number says it is for Agent recruiting but it is also for Inspector recruiting.
http://www.atf.gov/jobs/index.htm
Thanks for the info.
I was rated for GS-09 in Oct/04
Interviewed in Seattle in Jan/05
CO in Feb/05 and BI returned in 3 days
E-Mail Request clarification on BI in Mar/05
The waiting has begun!
I am not sure if anyone knows this but Clinton signed an Exec Order mandating one agency to use another ones clearance, but as usual with any directive it came with a ton of exceptions. Any one with any knowledge of this I would sure like the EO number so I can look at it myself.
<Edit> By the way my locations were:
Ft Worth, Tx
Dallas, TX
San Antonio, Tx
Las Vegas, NV
Orlando, FL
Just to compare, if it anything like the last agency I worked for , they use those to determine where they don't want to send you !!! LOL
1811rBust
04-18-2005, 23:58
I was rated for GS-09 in Oct/04
Interviewed in Seattle in Jan/05
CO in Feb/05 and BI returned in 3 days
E-Mail Request clarification on BI in Mar/05
The waiting has begun!
I am not sure if anyone knows this but Clinton signed an Exec Order mandating one agency to use another ones clearance, but as usual with any directive it came with a ton of exceptions. Any one with any knowledge of this I would sure like the EO number so I can look at it myself.
Ak94me, If you find it, would you mind posting the EO as a new thread. I'm sure lots of us would be interested to read it.
1811rBust :bounce:
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