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DelC
08-17-2001, 11:15
By Manny Fernandez - Washington Post Staff Writer - Friday, August 17, 2001; Page B01

On Wednesday, San Diego Superior Court Judge Ronald Styn found the use of the red-light cameras constitutional but criticized a key component of many of these systems -- companies are paid on a per-ticket basis.

"The potential conflict created by a contingent method of compensation further undermines the trustworthiness of the evidence which is used to prosecute red light violations," Styn wrote. Styn said that the fee arrangement San Diego officials made with Lockheed Martin IMS, which operates the San Diego system, calls into question the company's role as a "neutral evaluator of the evidence."

The San Diego case involves several hundred motorists who are fighting the citations, and the judge's ruling would exclude all photos taken from the camera system from being admitted as evidence. City attorneys will have the chance to persuade Styn otherwise at an Aug. 31 hearing.

Authorities say the cameras produce results, lowering the frequency of red-light running at busy intersections. Opponents of the systems have for the most part focused their complaints on the privacy implications of the cameras, objecting to what they see as the unblinking eye of Big Brother.

Lockheed, which also operates the District's red-light camera system, uses the fee arrangement with virtually all municipalities using its cameras. In the District, the company receives $32 for each red-light citation.

The payment method helps cash-strapped cities afford the program, said Mark Maddox, director of communications for Lockheed Martin IMS. "This is the least painful way for cities to pay for it," Maddox said. He added that the company, which supports other payment methods, will work with San Diego officials to address the concerns raised by the judge.

The judge noted that Lockheed had supervision over the camera system, not law enforcement or the city, a criticism also raised in the Washington area.

ToppDog
08-17-2001, 12:52
I'm not sure I like these new devices. They sound good in theory, but I've heard of too many alleged abuses, such as the the reps for these devices suggesting to numerous city officials that they place these devices & shorten the length of the yellow lights in order to generate revenue. Not only is this immoral, but highly unsafe. How many accidents will this cause in the name of profit? I think it would be alright to use these devices in conjunction with another new device I've heard of that has a countdown feature to let you know when the light will change. This way you know if you have enough time or not to make it through the light & if you run it you deserve the ticket, but otherwise I would be highly suspect of profit motivation. Has anyone seen these new countdown type devices? I've heard they are big in Europe & are getting a little use here in the States, but I haven't seen one yet.

DelC
08-18-2001, 05:54
I like the idea of a countdown, and then if you get a ticket you certainly deserve it. They have it for pedestrians on the “Walk” lights. It starts to blink before it turns to “Don’t walk”.

Housecop
08-18-2001, 07:58
My Uncle just had a situation in DC at a photo traffic stop were they were escorting the a High Ranking Government Official through town. The lead car got through on yellow and the follow car got through on red. They got a ticket in the mail for the follow car blowing through the red light. They tried to get it dropped, explaining the situation to the "red light" company, the company wouldn't except any excuses, so they are not only going to have to pay the ticket, but the fine they got for not paying it on time while they were trying to get it dropped. Be careful in DC.

DelC
08-18-2001, 20:38
Was this a non-official escort? I mean, it wasn't led by a police cruiser with red lights, etc., was it? I wonder if the company tries to collect on police cruisers that are not using there red lights when blowig through and intersection against the light? Any LE from DC know??

Housecop
08-19-2001, 09:09
Non-official, no police escort. The follow car, that got the ticket, was a unmarked suburban. Its' plates were registered through that branch of the government. The head of the agency called to explain the situation and was told no one is exempt and was later sent a letter with a fine attatched. Don't know were it will go from here, but they say it's different when some outside non-LE agency is giving the ticket. As far as the marked cruiser blowing a red light, I would have to think that the company would see the marked car in the photo and not issue one. But it wouldn't suprise me. I know we have a few current MPDC officers on board.