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achefswife
06-21-2005, 10:22
Just read a message that our last thread would be closing so here we go again.... rebuilding. Ok let's get started. :)
electra1978
06-21-2005, 11:44
Just read a message that our last thread would be closing so here we go again.... rebuilding. Ok let's get started. :)
Hey! You beat me to it. :D
OK, the last post I read said that all IAs will be chosen by October. Is that really true? And if so, does that mean that those of us who haven't received the call are out of luck???
diablo3305
06-21-2005, 13:08
Hey! You beat me to it. :D
OK, the last post I read said that all IAs will be chosen by October. Is that really true? And if so, does that mean that those of us who haven't received the call are out of luck???
I don't think that means a deadline to get IA's in, there are many other bottlenecks in the process. The way it was explained to me, is that the fiscal year ends there, so there is a "push" to get as many as possible in by then. I don't think this is by any means a deadline, but I could be wrong.
geographer1
06-21-2005, 13:16
I don't think that means a deadline to get IA's in, there are many other bottlenecks in the process. The way it was explained to me, is that the fiscal year ends there, so there is a "push" to get as many as possible in by then. I don't think this is by any means a deadline, but I could be wrong.
You're right that is the end of the Federal fiscal year. I'm thinking they may have set a goal for hiring a certain number by then for performance plans and budget reasons (we deal with the same thing where I work), but I can't imagine that they plan to have all hires by then. I think they had a quota for last fiscal year to include as many as possible for the current-year fiscal budget why they have the funds. Anybody please correct me if I'm wrong :) .
The goal is the end of the fiscal year, because representations have been made to Congress and various committees in order to show progress on suggestions for improving the FBI's intelligence program. They'd love to get everyone on board by then, but there are over 400 vacant IA positions at the moment, so that's a challenge. And no, I don't know where the vacancies are, how many have been spoken for or where folks are in the process. By the way, the Bureau doesn't "lose" money if it doesn't have IA (or any other spots) filled. The Bureau and other government agencies are allocated a fixed sum for personnel costs and a maximum number of positions (full-time equivalents or FTEs) which forms the Funded Staffing Level. Personnel money for unfilled slots can be used for a variety of purposes, including overtime for on-board employees, etc. In any case, the Bureau tends to be behind when it comes to personnel costs because of the differences between the budgeted raises (from the President) and the authorized raises (from Congress). Typically, the amount appropriated is far below the amount authorized, so there's a shortfall that carries over from year to year and continues to grow.
Some other questions:
Question: What happens at a PSI vs. the "regular" interview with the standard questions that everyone gets? Is this simply going in for the poly, pee, and drug or something different?
The PSI is the Personnel Security Interview. Basically, it's a review of your SF-86 to see if there are any questions that need to be answered more completely, elaborations that need to be made, or omissions that need to be corrected. The standard interview is a qualification verification interview where the folks are looking to see if you actually have the qualifications you stated in your online application and how you present yourself (verbal briefings are a part of the job, you know). If you do poorly on the interview panel, you won't make it to the PSI.
how long does it generally take after a CO has been made for them to contact someone about coming in for their poly, f-prints, etc?
The goal is to have the processing done at the field office closest to the applicant within a week or two from the time the decision to process a candidate further is made. If it hasn't been done, I'd suggest contacting your HR person and see if something has happened to your application.
Are there, say, realtors with whom the FBI works, or realtors who like to work with SAs or IAs? Or federal employees in general?
For on-board employees transferring, yes. For new hires, no. The best option might be to find someone to serve as a buyer's agent to work with you. The problem is, depending on where you are moving to, you really may not have time to review properties before you get there because they turn over so quickly. For example, here in Fairfax County, two neighbors recently put their houses on the market...in both cases, they went on the market on Thursday and had contract offers on Monday getting processed. If you're looking to purchase a house in a hot market and were looking to do a little house-hunting, I'd try to figure out roughly what area you'd be interested, get pre-approved for a mortgage, find a buyer's agent and schedule a trip to arrive at your new city on Friday to hit open houses on the weekend, because you won't get much time to get an offer in. If you're looking to rent initially (not a bad idea in a hot market), that should be easier since the lower mortgage rates and interesting financing mechanisms have driven a lot of renters to purchase, increasing the inventory for rental apartments, driving down rents and increasing incentives. You could get a six month lease, see how the commute works, figure out for sure where you want to be, and then start the purchase process.
Does having a small field office do your BI give you better possibilities of it moving faster than having HQ conduct it?
So many variables, it's hard to say. For example, a small office might have only one polygrapher who covers a wide area, so it might take longer to get scheduled for a poly. There might also be only one security officer doing PSI interviews and getting the information out for further processing, which a large number of applicants can slow down. Also, it depends on the number of background investigators for BICS there are in the area. If there are a lot, then the background could go quick since they might not have a big case load, but if it's an area with few BICS investigators, you might have a lot of cases to be worked but only one person to do them, which will slow it down. Plus, there's the turnaround time from Security Division at Headquarters from the time that Staffing and the Directorate of Intelligence send them the list of names to proceed with. So many variables, so hard to say conclusively how long anyone's background will take.
I think that's all the pending questions in the old thread,
In response to a couple of posts on the old thread:
I don't think processing from a small field office will speed things up because from what I've read here, all apps go to HQ for adjudication. But, having lived a life that would allow the FO to do your whole BI might speed things up. (Just my understanding.)
And, to the person who felt dumb for thinking creatine might adversely impact the urinalysis... I'm dumber. I had eaten asparagus and wondered if that might show up as something bad. Ahh, the things having so little control over something we want so much will do to us.... ;)
I dont' think i have ever received my urianalysis which i expect to be fine. But my BI began lapp. 2 months ago, does it mean that my urianalysis was ok?
I don't know about others but i am not even sure who is taking care of my app; field office or main. I was called to DC for an interview. Some of you seem to have your interview at the field office. Shrug. My city is big [IND] so i guess the process must be different for most.
bad_timing
06-22-2005, 06:43
I have yet to hear anyone who has been processed the same way as the next person. It seems like it's different for everyone. If there is one thing that I have learned, it is that consistency is irrelevant (perhaps this is the bureaus way of showing that everyday is, indeed, different from the next).
Is anyone else having a difficult time getting in touch with their HR POC. I know they are swamped but I have left a couple of messages last week and have yet to receive a call back. Is there anyone else that there is to get in touch with besides the HR folks at HQ in DC? ;) <----[ This icon is soooo fitting.
sigepuofu
06-22-2005, 07:38
I dont' think i have ever received my urianalysis which i expect to be fine. But my BI began lapp. 2 months ago, does it mean that my urianalysis was ok?
I don't know about others but i am not even sure who is taking care of my app; field office or main. I was called to DC for an interview. Some of you seem to have your interview at the field office. Shrug. My city is big [IND] so i guess the process must be different for most.
Hey all-
I can't say with absolute certainty, but your if your BI has already started, most likely your drug test was okay-the Bureau wouldn't start the BI process (which costs upward of $10k, I've heard) before they knew if you'd passed a drug test that only cost a couple of hundred dollars.
So, sounds like things are moving forward for most people, that's good. The Bureau's hiring IAs as fast as possible-my unit just got two new IAs this past week, so we're now approx. 50% of our projected staffing. Movin' up!!
Good luck, all.
diablo3305
06-22-2005, 08:40
Hey all-
I can't say with absolute certainty, but your if your BI has already started, most likely your drug test was okay-the Bureau wouldn't start the BI process (which costs upward of $10k, I've heard) before they knew if you'd passed a drug test that only cost a couple of hundred dollars.
So, sounds like things are moving forward for most people, that's good. The Bureau's hiring IAs as fast as possible-my unit just got two new IAs this past week, so we're now approx. 50% of our projected staffing. Movin' up!!
Good luck, all.
I don' think thats entirely true, because my BI started before my drug test or polygraph. I think the norm is to do the BI after, but i'm sure there are more cases like mine out there. By the way, hows it going there? Hit me up with a PM, id love to hear about your experience so far (what you can talk about that is). Maybe ill be joining you there this summer, if I get the call.
achefswife
06-22-2005, 09:26
Well I have not heard back from my interview which I'm only accepting as being a good sign, but I have to figure out what I'm going to do in the fall. I've been praying that I get this miraculous revelation while sleeping as to whether or not I should go ahead and accept my new job offer on Friday. I'm not giving up, but I gotta keep living. The interview came when I least expected it and I'm sure the next phase will be just as spontaneous.
diablo3305
06-22-2005, 09:33
Well I have not heard back from my interview which I'm only accepting as being a good sign, but I have to figure out what I'm going to do in the fall. I've been praying that I get this miraculous revelation while sleeping as to whether or not I should go ahead and accept my new job offer on Friday. I'm not giving up, but I gotta keep living. The interview came when I least expected it and I'm sure the next phase will be just as spontaneous.
Yes, its probably a good sign, but i can't say for sure. It was 2 months after my interview before I heard anything. In all honesty, I would take the new job offer if its there. Just live as if the FBI isn't there. You could potentially wait months to hear a final call, if it comes. If a good opportunity is in front of you, take it. When the time comes, then make the choice if you want to leave and go to the FBI. Considering that you don't even have a CO yet, I would imagine you at least have 6 months ahead of you.
bad_timing
06-22-2005, 09:36
Chefs wife...follow your heart. I understand that people can't put their lives on hold but if it means being happy it just might be worth the wait and sacrifice. :)
achefswife
06-22-2005, 10:41
Chefs wife...follow your heart. I understand that people can't put their lives on hold but if it means being happy it just might be worth the wait and sacrifice. :)
Oh Im going to hang in there cause the FBI is where my heart is. I just can't wait and eat only peanut butter and jelly sandwiches for the next six months and have my husband looking at me as if he would like to commit me to some type of institute. :rolleyes:
achefswife
06-22-2005, 10:45
Chefs wife...follow your heart. I understand that people can't put their lives on hold but if it means being happy it just might be worth the wait and sacrifice. :)
diablo3305
06-22-2005, 10:53
Oh Im going to hang in there cause the FBI is where my heart is. I just can't wait and eat only peanut butter and jelly sandwiches for the next six months and have my husband looking at me as if he would like to commit me to some type of institute. :rolleyes:
Well, is there anything stopping you from taking the job offer now, and leaving later on if the FBI chooses you? If not, I would do that. Your so early in the process that there are no gaurentees. I feel the same as you, I have wanted to work for the FBI for a long time, but sometimes I feel the need to look at things practically. I have a CO and things for me aren't even gaurenteed. Fortunately, I don't have to look for other job offers, because if my contract with the company I'm at ends this summer, and the FBI job falls through, I will go full time in grad school next semester and continue pursuing my other applications. Everyones situation is different though.
Do what you feel is best, but just remember that your taking a big risk in waiting for the FBI. If possible, I would take the job now and work there until the FBI offer.
bad_timing
06-22-2005, 11:16
True, but if you have a CO and pass the poly etc. and you have a clear background then it's simply a matter of time before you're given your assignment. It is just the waiting that blows. The CO is a major hurdle to clear but once you have that, the FBI will hire you barring you pass the PSI.
It seems like we all are facing similar situation. Myself, I want to work for the FBI due to the complexity and challenges of the daily tasks. My first intention was to be a SA, but due to my bad vision I can't pursue that area. IA is like another door for me to enter this business. Anyhow, the process has taken longer than expected. Here and there, i have second guessed the process and if i should continue to wait. I am in Grad school and i can't just have this thing going on in my head. It's hard to concentrate academically.
Ellington
06-22-2005, 13:42
I remember when HR called me and offered me a CO, the question she asked, "Was I still interested in the position?" And of course I said yes. She told me that I will get a call from the Tampa FO to schedule a PSI, Polygraph, and Urinalysis within a week or two from the call (June 8). It is June 22, and I haven't received a call.
From reading the past threads of the same topic, it can take up to 1 year before I am given a final offer. I am aware that the FBI is trying to hire before the fiscal year is over (October 1), but does this guarantee that just because I interviewed before the close of the fiscal year that I will be guaranteed a complete BI and then a final offer? I don't think so, because there are others that have interviewed and have started the BI process before me. So, I have decided that maybe it is in my best interest to keep busy until I’m scheduled for the PSI, Poly, Urinalysis or if I ever get the "final offer." And also, I think that by keeping myself busy, it keeps my mind off of the intensity of waiting.
achefswife
06-22-2005, 15:33
I accepted the other job offer today. I went and completed some of the paperwork today. I'll deal with the FBI when they call. It's just simply stupid to put everything on hold. Hope it will be an easy transition though when (and if) the FBI calls. Now this is just one more thing to add to my BI... and they already move like snails.
I have yet to hear anyone who has been processed the same way as the next person. It seems like it's different for everyone. If there is one thing that I have learned, it is that consistency is irrelevant (perhaps this is the bureaus way of showing that everyday is, indeed, different from the next).
Part of the problem is that they've gone through a couple of different systems. First, the traditional system of one posting per vacancy (or unit, if multiple vacancies were available in a unit). These would be processed thereafter in the traditional manner, with the applicants forwarded along to a career board within the unit or office doing the hiring, ranking the applicants, possibly interviewing them (optional step), then starting the background process. That generated a lot of problems because there were a large number of vacancies with a large number of announcements and candidates applying for multiple openings and thus creating chaos in the staffing unit.
Then they went to broad area announcements - a single posting for a division (for example, each of the HQ divisions had a posting) with a similar process thereafter.
Then QuickHire was implemented, with a single posting for HQ and a single posting for the field. The computer reviewed the applications and qualification statements and forwarded on a pool of qualified personnel to Staffing Unit for further processing. At first, candidates selected for a particular office would be brought in for a meet-and-greet, which was later replaced with a standardized panel interview.
That's where the process is now - single postings for all HQ positions and all field positions, Quick Hire review, panel interview, security processing, selection after the background is complete and final offer extended.
Of course, with all of these changes, there will be more coming - testing starting in the fall, with a single standard test for all DI personnel (linguists, SSGs and IAs) followed by tests tailored for the specific specialties. The testing will provide the screening, a panel interview may still be held to validate specific competencies, and then the security process and hiring. The final system described here will likely be the final system used for the next couple of years.
Basically, the mass hiring of specialized positions (IAs) has not been done by the FBI before, which has created a steep learning curve. They have been working to get some experienced folks from the HR side in to build criteria and refine the system to speed it up and get 'er dun in a more effective and efficient system that utilizes some objective criteria for selection.
Buman, would you say that it will be a tougher hiring process?
Buman, would you say that it will be a tougher hiring process?
Well, instead of self-reporting skills and experience, the initial hurdle will be getting through the test. I haven't seen the test, haven't seen a detailed description of it yet, but my understanding is that the first round on the test will address the common core competencies of DI positions and the second round will address the IA-specific core competencies. In the old days, the first cut was a review by a staffing person who may or may not be familiar with aspects of the job, so hitting buzz words was important to getting the attention of the staffing person and getting your package passed on to the selecting official. The next stage was a subjective review of the package by a panel of subject-matter experts which resulted in the ranking. Then a subjective interview with ranking of the results. Ultimately, the old process was very subjective and could leave good candidates out. The new system should, in theory at least, be a more objective system which will be fairer for all applicants. Again, that's not having seen the test, so it's hard to say for sure. I do know that the test will be prepared by the same folks who do the SA tests, and will be validated against a group of existing IAs, so there's hope, I guess.
If anything, it should contribute further to building respect for IAs within the FBI...testing like that for agents, career boards for career path promotions (although what form those will take under the planned pay-banding is unclear), and a lot more scrutiny for the IAs means they will have one of the most heavily scrutinized positions from hiring to the journeyman level of any position in the FBI, SA position included.
bad_timing
06-23-2005, 05:59
BuMan-
Perhaps I misunderstood something through all of the posts but are you saying that this test for I/A's will be implemented for those getting in by this October? Or is it still up in the air for the future since you haven't seen anything for sure yet?
Hello, everyone.
I looked at my credit report yesterday and saw that my credit history was reviewed on 29 April by Bearak Reports, Inc., of Framingham, MA (www.bearak.com). Their website states: "The Company's charter was to offer a broad range of Asset Search, Background Check, Business Intelligence and Public Record Information Services to Law Firms, Financial Services Companies, Government Agencies, and general corporate and private users" (emphasis mine).
I received my CO on 14 April. My question: Is it safe to assume that the FBI via Bearak Reports has done my credit check? The timing seems right, at any rate. I ask simply because I'm trying as best as I can to see how my BI is progressing. I've been checking off the names of people on my SF-86 when they have told me they were interviewed. My BI is moving along nicely, for what it's worth. I assume the FBI does criminal and credit checks, and I am simply curious to see if I can check off another component of my BI. I wasn't sure if the FBI checks these straightaway or later on in the process (e.g., adjudication).
I apologize in advance if this is an inappropriate question to ask, or if it is a bad move to inquire about companies with whom the FBI works to conduct BIs.
Thanks!
Yours,
Travis
diablo3305
06-23-2005, 10:35
Hello, everyone.
I looked at my credit report yesterday and saw that my credit history was reviewed on 29 April by Bearak Reports, Inc., of Framingham, MA (www.bearak.com). Their website states: "The Company's charter was to offer a broad range of Asset Search, Background Check, Business Intelligence and Public Record Information Services to Law Firms, Financial Services Companies, Government Agencies, and general corporate and private users" (emphasis mine).
I received my CO on 14 April. My question: Is it safe to assume that the FBI via Bearak Reports has done my credit check? The timing seems right, at any rate. I ask simply because I'm trying as best as I can to see how my BI is progressing. I've been checking off the names of people on my SF-86 when they have told me they were interviewed. My BI is moving along nicely, for what it's worth. I assume the FBI does criminal and credit checks, and I am simply curious to see if I can check off another component of my BI. I wasn't sure if the FBI checks these straightaway or later on in the process (e.g., adjudication).
I apologize in advance if this is an inappropriate question to ask, or if it is a bad move to inquire about companies with whom the FBI works to conduct BIs.
Thanks!
Yours,
Travis
Hmm, that is interesting. When did you sign your authorization for the FBI to do a credit check? Was it before or after the 29th? I signed mine on the day I went in for my Poly and PSI, so it would seem that they couldn't really pull my credit report before that date (otherwise why would I have to sign an authorization?)
I signed everything after I got my CO. I was in DC in April--a "hiring blitz," as it seems to be called. Panel interview and CO one day (14 April), and then PSI, poly, urinalysis, and fingerprinting the next (15 April). All this was about two weeks before my credit report was viewed (29 April). So yes, I had already authorized the FBI to look at whatever they wanted.
Yours,
Travis
Choicesix
06-23-2005, 13:57
I accepted the other job offer today. I went and completed some of the paperwork today. I'll deal with the FBI when they call. It's just simply stupid to put everything on hold. Hope it will be an easy transition though when (and if) the FBI calls. Now this is just one more thing to add to my BI... and they already move like snails.
Achefswife:
I once dreaded the thought of having to choose between jobs; now I welcome it. My BI was completed as I was separating from the USAF at the end of April. I called my AC to see what my status was. She told me all she needed was a letter for me to start on the 16th or the 31st of May. Those days came and went. The next time I was able to reach her--all of my voicemails went unreturned--she talked about my starting this month. Reading this board I see others have also been waiting (different lengths of time) so I don't want to seem too impatient, but being told that I will be starting soon only to have that not happen without explanation is very frustrating. I would have preferred being told this delay was going to be open-ended; I would prefer not being told I am going to start if it is a remote possibility. Not having a job right now--I didn't take an earlier opportunity because I was told I would be starting soon, and I could kick myself for it--I am now considering any other opportunities. I cannot keep stalling my life two weeks at a time. Tomorrow will be the last chance for my AC to get me the letter before Monday. I am not optimistic about that happening.
Seven times down eight times up.
achefswife
06-23-2005, 17:17
To Choicesix:
I just figured at the rate they were moving I could teach another entire academic year and still not know anything. If my credit score is still going to be good when/if they call they I better keep working. Everything could crumble if you simply go into a waiting mode. And besides if I'm going to be a good analytical person for them, it would make since that I analyze right now that I must keep living. If you've ever read the book "Who Moved My Cheese" you know exactly where I'm coming from.
I'm gone for 3 days and the post is closed again. Now I have to find the old one and catch up again. It's like a bureacracy already, HA.
BuMan-
Perhaps I misunderstood something through all of the posts but are you saying that this test for I/A's will be implemented for those getting in by this October? Or is it still up in the air for the future since you haven't seen anything for sure yet?
The plan is to start testing new applicants for the IA position starting in October. Current applicants probably won't be required to take the test, except, perhaps, as part of a baseline testing program. It shouldn't affect their hiring procedures. You may have noticed that there are no postings currently up for IA positions. And I'm not sure on the target date for implementation - somewhere between August and September.
atlantapeaches
06-24-2005, 06:14
Well everyone...I checked my application status today and guess what..it has changed to "Best Qualified". I interviewed on May 24, 2005 and have not heard anything since. I am currently working for the Bureau so, I have no idea what the progress is for ones like myself...but I just wanted to let my cyber friends know, that you should check the status of your app. Someone at HQ or Staffing is making progress
electra1978
06-24-2005, 07:59
Well everyone...I checked my application status today and guess what..it has changed to "Best Qualified". I interviewed on May 24, 2005 and have not heard anything since. I am currently working for the Bureau so, I have no idea what the progress is for ones like myself...but I just wanted to let my cyber friends know, that you should check the status of your app. Someone at HQ or Staffing is making progress
Hi there! Thanks for the update. At least there is some progress. I just checked my status though and it's still "referred to selecting official."
Well everyone...I checked my application status today and guess what..it has changed to "Best Qualified".
I've never heard of that one before. Congratulations. :)
Has anyone else ever gotten a best qualified?
bad_timing
06-24-2005, 15:51
No, I have never seen that one before either. It must be a good thing so congrats!!!
I'm still waiting to do my poly!! ;)
atlantapeaches
06-24-2005, 17:34
I have not heard anything else other than that....so it may mean nothing.
I hope I hear something to back it up soon. Good Luck to everyone else that is still waiting to get a phone call as well, I have not gotten even that.
That may be part of the revisions to the QuickHire status information that was suggested. I mentioned to the UC of the hiring unit within the DI that folks were a little frustrated with the lack of information provided by the QuickHire system and they were going to try to address the problem.
OrangeAlum2003
06-25-2005, 19:04
I've never heard of that one before. Congratulations. :)
Has anyone else ever gotten a best qualified?
I did for an unrelated position, but it later changed to not selected when they hired someone else.
atlantapeaches
06-26-2005, 10:07
;) So this could very well mean I have been selected as a good candidate but may not get the job if they find I am not the top top person..... ;) This really sucks man...I am so tired of the up and down roller coaster I could scream. I still need all the luck wishing I can get. Thanks for the information.
;) So this could very well mean I have been selected as a good candidate but may not get the job if they find I am not the top top person..... ;) This really sucks man...I am so tired of the up and down roller coaster I could scream. I still need all the luck wishing I can get. Thanks for the information.
Under the old system, that was more likely. You were really only considered for openings that you put in for, which meant that if you went up against several great candidates, you might not get selected. And every unit put up its own vacancy announcements, which meant you either had to find the right job or submit a whole bunch of applications. On the other hand, another position in another unit might not have a lot of applicants and someone less qualified got hired.
Under the current system, though, selections aren't made until after candidates have gone through background and successfully passed. A candidate's name remains in the pool of candidates for an undefined period of time (they haven't figured out when a candidate goes stale) and can be selected at any time someone is selecting candidates.
Hey, if all of life were like western Kansas - all flat, no ups and downs, it would be pretty boring.
mugrad04
06-26-2005, 15:35
hello, i'm new to this forum and i had a couple of questions. i recently graduated from college with a degree in biology and applied to the fbi IA position this past feb. i received a phone call in may about setting up an interview. i went for my interview and this past week, i had my polygraph, UDS, and fingerprinting done. i'm just wondering if its unusual for the process to be moving this fast? i do know that my BI has started because the agent visited my current employer this past friday and will be going to my unversity next week sometime. what else can i expect in the process? while i was at my polygraph, the hr person mentioned that i should have received a CO that stated my starting pay and grade but i never received this which she thought was unusual. is it? also, i guess i'm just wondering how someone with my background, biology, and age-i'm only 23, could be attractive to the fbi?
hello, i'm new to this forum and i had a couple of questions. i recently graduated from college with a degree in biology and applied to the fbi IA position this past feb. i received a phone call in may about setting up an interview. i went for my interview and this past week, i had my polygraph, UDS, and fingerprinting done. i'm just wondering if its unusual for the process to be moving this fast? i do know that my BI has started because the agent visited my current employer this past friday and will be going to my unversity next week sometime. what else can i expect in the process? while i was at my polygraph, the hr person mentioned that i should have received a CO that stated my starting pay and grade but i never received this which she thought was unusual. is it? also, i guess i'm just wondering how someone with my background, biology, and age-i'm only 23, could be attractive to the fbi?
Hey, congrats that you got through all the phases. Lemme share with you of my process and you can judge whether yours is usual or unusual. I submitted my resume last November or probably in December. It was one of those things that college students do. :) i received a call from them in late March for an interview in Mid-April in DC. I did everything there: submitted my forms, the poly, panel interview, urianalysis, and fingerprint. They also told me of of the CO. Anyhow, the BI then started early May (like 1st or 2nd). It has been around 2 months and i haven't heard anything. I do know that they have checked my references and current and former employers; last one i heard was 3 weeks ago. I dont' know about you but it has taken longer than i expected. I put everything on hold for it including a couple good summer gigs. Now, i am a little disappointed of the process because it could take another few months. Ok, now you can judge.
As far as your major or area of specialty, i believe they value all areas and more in some. My area is pretty useless (math) so you don't need to worry. :)
mugrad04
06-26-2005, 17:28
Hey, congrats that you got through all the phrases. Lemme share with you of my process and you can judge whether yours is usual or unusual. I submitted my resume last November or probably in December. It was one of those things that college students do. :) i received a call from them in late March for an interview in Mid-April in DC. I did everything there: submitted my forms, the poly, panel interview, urianalysis, and fingerprint. They also told me of of the CO. Anyhow, the BI then started early May (like 1st or 2nd). It has been around 2 months and i haven't heard anything. I do know that they have checked my references and current and former employers; last one i heard was 3 weeks ago. I dont' know about you but it has taken longer than i expected. I put everything on hold for it including a couple good summer gigs. Now, i am a little disappointed of the process because it could take another few months. Ok, now you can judge.
As far as your major or area of specialty, i believe they value all areas and more in some. My area is pretty useless (math) so you don't need to worry. :)
Thanks for the information. Your process seems to be moving at the speed i would expect. I guess now all we can do is sit back and patiently wait for the phone call. :) I do know that the HR person said that they want to have everyone in place by the end of Sept but I don't know if that means starting work at the end of sept or starting the seven week training? do you know anything about the training?
Dear Mugrad 04 and PHU,
Beyond one's particular major are the skills one has developed. To put it another way, if someone is smart enough to do well in either a biology or maths program, he or she is probably smart enough to do well in a lot of other areas, too. Criticial thinking and communication skills are essential to the work of an IA, and both of you have probably already developed these even before you started thinking of the FBI.
I am currently working on a PhD in Religious Studies at Marquette University, Milwaukee, WI. The expertise I have delevopled in the study of religion is not without benefit to the FBI. More important, I have developed skills and acquired experience that I can and will use in a variety of areas, not simply in religion. Becoming an expert in one area has enabled me to become an expert in other areas as well--again, essential to the work of an IA.
Yours very truly,
Travis
atlantapeaches
06-26-2005, 20:14
:) Thanks Buman for the information. I guess I am still in the game until the fat lady sings. I suppose with them changing my App status, I should hear something fairly soon. Like I stated before, I am a inhouse candidate and I have no idea how this process works for us. Have you any information on the process for Merit Promotion candidates. :o
:) Thanks Buman for the information. I guess I am still in the game until the fat lady sings. I suppose with them changing my App status, I should hear something fairly soon. Like I stated before, I am a inhouse candidate and I have no idea how this process works for us. Have you any information on the process for Merit Promotion candidates. :o
Sadly, it's the same as for the externals. When they are looking at the candidate pool, it's all candidates who have cleared the background process. On that note, it's a good thing, since your name is likely to make it to the pool earlier and, if necessary, more often than an external candidate, since you already have the background cleared. Then it's left to someone to see in your writeup what they need for their unit/office to pick you.
PseudoFed
06-27-2005, 00:17
hello, i'm new to this forum and i had a couple of questions. i recently graduated from college with a degree in biology and applied to the fbi IA position this past feb. i received a phone call in may about setting up an interview. i went for my interview and this past week, i had my polygraph, UDS, and fingerprinting done. i'm just wondering if its unusual for the process to be moving this fast? i do know that my BI has started because the agent visited my current employer this past friday and will be going to my unversity next week sometime. what else can i expect in the process? while i was at my polygraph, the hr person mentioned that i should have received a CO that stated my starting pay and grade but i never received this which she thought was unusual. is it? also, i guess i'm just wondering how someone with my background, biology, and age-i'm only 23, could be attractive to the fbi?
Well, you are to be congratulated indeed! I did my undergrad in Bio & Chem, and am in the last semester of my MS in Molecular Microbiology. I applied for the March opening and never even reached "referred" status, at the GS7 level (it's now stuck at the "not amongst highest qualified" aka no thanks level). I was more than surprised, but I guess either the competition is stiff or my essays were really bad.
I don't see your age as a detriment for the IA position (SA is a different story). The FBI would be foolish to pass up on fresh grads, they are often sharp-minded and motivated! Anyways, good luck with position.
sigepuofu
06-27-2005, 09:03
Well, you are to be congratulated indeed! I did my undergrad in Bio & Chem, and am in the last semester of my MS in Molecular Microbiology. I applied for the March opening and never even reached "referred" status, at the GS7 level (it's now stuck at the "not amongst highest qualified" aka no thanks level). I was more than surprised, but I guess either the competition is stiff or my essays were really bad.
I don't see your age as a detriment for the IA position (SA is a different story). The FBI would be foolish to pass up on fresh grads, they are often sharp-minded and motivated! Anyways, good luck with position.
Yeah, you're probably right about the age thing-I'm only 23, and I got hired. Most of the IAs that I see being hired run the gamut of ages from about 24-29, sometimes even older. Age isn't as limiting a factor for an IA position as it is for the SA.
bad_timing
06-27-2005, 10:16
:o Here is an inquiry for the forum (BuMan). I recently received a CO letter in the mail. This is strange because I recieved my "initial" CO over the phone on 13 June and the letter is dated 22 June. HQ specifically told me that they no longer send out CO's in writing anymore. Don't get me wrong, I am elated to say the least because it is always good to have something in writing but I'm a little confused nevertheless. The letter basically gave me everything with the exception of my specific FO assignment.
Perhaps I'm just losing my mind here, but has anyone else recieved such a letter? I am just baffled because other folks that I have talked to in my situation did not recieve anything in writing regarding a CO. Trust me, I'm not complaining I am just curious if anyone else is floating in the same boat.
They really weren't kidding when they said that the process is different for everyone.
Any responses would be sincerely appreciated. Thanks to everyone for your support!
diablo3305
06-27-2005, 10:48
The letter basically gave me everything with the exception of my specific FO assignment.
Perhaps I'm just losing my mind here, but has anyone else recieved such a letter?
I received a CO in the mail about 2 weeks or so after my phone CO (back in march)
GTgrad02
06-27-2005, 13:41
:o Here is an inquiry for the forum (BuMan). I recently received a CO letter in the mail. This is strange because I recieved my "initial" CO over the phone on 13 June and the letter is dated 22 June. HQ specifically told me that they no longer send out CO's in writing anymore. Don't get me wrong, I am elated to say the least because it is always good to have something in writing but I'm a little confused nevertheless. The letter basically gave me everything with the exception of my specific FO assignment.
Perhaps I'm just losing my mind here, but has anyone else recieved such a letter? I am just baffled because other folks that I have talked to in my situation did not recieve anything in writing regarding a CO. Trust me, I'm not complaining I am just curious if anyone else is floating in the same boat.
They really weren't kidding when they said that the process is different for everyone.
Any responses would be sincerely appreciated. Thanks to everyone for your support!
bad_timing - If you read one of my earlier posts (I think it was on this thread), I laid out my entire timeline... I was called on 6/7 w/ a CO, the written CO was printed on 6/14, and I received it 6/17 via 1st-class mail.
Being a G-man myself, don't be surprised that the left hand isn't talking w/ the right. That particular person @ HQ (Staffing Unit?) may have been ill-informed. It just makes sense that they WOULD issue a written CO, eventually. That is the case with nearly EVERY federal appointment, in my exp. A good rule to live by in the government: if it isn't in writing, it doesn't exist. Remeber that, especially when you negotiate the $$$$.
BTW - I ran into this on the FBIJOBS website.. for all you "old-timers," sorry for the bad news if it affects you.
:flame: :worm: :rambo:
I think I'm having too much fun with the smileys....
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Qoute from FBI website:
The FBI Intelligence Program continually assesses mission requirements and priorities. This in turn results in program changes. As a result of the most recent program changes, the Intelligence Analyst vacancy announcements from last year that were open from 8/22/2004 through 9/27/2004 have been canceled. No selections will be made from these announcements.
FBI recruitment for Intelligence Analysts reflects these program changes in terms of focus and potential recruitment incentives. The FBI has a new announcement currently open that targets critical skills such as country or language expertise and other similar qualifications. Recruitment bonus offers tie to demonstrated possession of these skills.
We regret any inconvenience caused by the decision to cancel our earlier announcements. Applicants who previously applied to the Intelligence Analyst announcements that opened 8/22/2004 are encouraged to re-apply to the new announcement. New applicants are also welcome :sick:
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Yoo-hooo!! I got upgraded to best qualified too.
Timeline this go around: Applied to FBI FO in March, interviewed and turned in BI paperwork first week of June and now this.
This is going much faster than the last round when I applied in Feb and interviewed in Nov and saw everything dropped when they revised in Dec/Jan.
Yoo-hooo!!!!
forty9er
06-27-2005, 16:08
This "best quailifed" thing... so I guess that means nothing more than "referred to selecting official" then right? Figures..... has anyone received the comment "carry over from previous Staging Area"? What the heck does that mean??? I'm so frustrated!
I thought "Best Qualified" means you impressed your interview panel and were passed onto the next phase, that being background check and then possibly final selection.
But what do I know? I'm just slogging through the mysterious process...
I have no idea what 'next staging area means'. That sounds extremely mysterious, and perhaps even a little scary like they are about to push you out a plane or something. Good luck to you.
forty9er
06-27-2005, 18:01
Hey forms,
The funny part is is that I never even interviewed.... I've never got even so much as a phone call about this postion.... the farthest I've gone with the FBI is passing phase 1 testing for SA...... any ideas?
GTgrad02
06-27-2005, 19:07
Hey forms,
The funny part is is that I never even interviewed.... I've never got even so much as a phone call about this postion.... the farthest I've gone with the FBI is passing phase 1 testing for SA...... any ideas?
Hey forty9er... Are you applying for SA or Intel Analyst (IA)? Unclear from your above post. BUT, I am in process for BOTH. I applied for SA over 15 months ago! I passed phase 1 testing about a month ago or so... Ironically, my app was the youngest app in the room! Everyone else has waited 2 yrs +!!!!
They sent me a letter telling me I passed & requesting my SF-86 (BI paperwork JIK you didn't already know). I FEDEX'd my docs in ASAP (5/30) and haven't heard much since. The person whom I believe is my AC for both SA & IA positions has told me just to sit tight, & contact another person to schedule my language tests (WHICH I HAVE DONE). Languages (Span/Ger) are my ticket. I am sched to test on 7/7 in the AM.
They have all asked me which one I want, and I have told them "1st available" hoping it will light a little fire under (yeah right! like they are even phased). But I have pretty much observed that IA is moving faster, and may be the best option for me for right now, anyway. Besides, the language tests will be part of my file regardless, and I should not have to retest (unless I need too... ouch, that would stink) when I get to Quantico (or whenever). So, in a way, I feel as though I am helping, in a way, working from both angles. :p
You know something else funny, I got a call 2 weeks ago about the "investigative specialist" pos. I applied for them all about the same time. It was only a 5/7/9 position.. and I told them I was in late stages for SA & IA... and they said don't bother interviewing even though I was willing to check on a 3rd opportunity!
mugrad04
06-27-2005, 19:11
Well, you are to be congratulated indeed! I did my undergrad in Bio & Chem, and am in the last semester of my MS in Molecular Microbiology. I applied for the March opening and never even reached "referred" status, at the GS7 level (it's now stuck at the "not amongst highest qualified" aka no thanks level). I was more than surprised, but I guess either the competition is stiff or my essays were really bad.
I don't see your age as a detriment for the IA position (SA is a different story). The FBI would be foolish to pass up on fresh grads, they are often sharp-minded and motivated! Anyways, good luck with position.
Thanks for all the advice-I'm really hoping that I will get the call soon but I guess all I can do now is sit back and patiently relax. :)
Serenity now...serenity now...
Oh heck, that didn't work for George Costanza in a sitcom, so why should it work here?
electra1978
06-27-2005, 21:46
Serenity now...serenity now...
Oh heck, that didn't work for George Costanza in a sitcom, so why should it work here?
BuMan you crack me up! :D Always a pleasure to read your comments...
On another note, I've decided to take a giant step back from this whole process. Not to sound arrogant, but I know deep down that I am exactly the type of person the FBI needs given my critical skills, communication and leadership skills, dedication, and work experience.
Instead of continuing to be frustrated though, I've taken the opportunity to apply to some other key intelligence agencies and I'm already witnessing a more open communication structure with accurate timelines and feedback channels. Although I would still love more than anything to work as an FBI IA, perhaps there needs to be some serious inhouse restructuring to establish efficient communication channels with applicants before trying to beef up an intelligence directorate...
Just my two cents worth... :)
PS. I'm sure I will STILL find myself checking my status on fbijobs.com...just not several times a day :D
Beware!
I excitedly told my husband that I was best qualified and he has teased me all evening: "Bathroom needs cleaning, and wow! You are best qualified!" "We are out of dishwasher detergent, and what do you know? You are best qualified!"
LOL
Beware!
I excitedly told my husband that I was best qualified and he has teased me all evening: "Bathroom needs cleaning, and wow! You are best qualified!" "We are out of dishwasher detergent, and what do you know? You are best qualified!"
LOL
There's one way to shut him up...."Wife needs loving, and what do you know, you're not among best qualified."
achefswife
06-28-2005, 11:19
I just checked my status on the FBI website and it's been changed to "eligible". Well duh!!!! I've interviewed so I know that I am eligible. Maybe they need to hurry up and get some of us in so we can assist in revamping this whole hiring process.
Hello, everyone.
When one's file goes from the BI process into adjudication, how long does the latter last? Is there a general amount of time adjudication usually lasts? I am certain the analysts who do adjudications are just as busy as everyone else at HQ, but I'd like to know what I can expect (time-wise) when I move into adjudication.
Thanks,
Travis
achefswife
06-28-2005, 16:05
There's one way to shut him up...."Wife needs loving, and what do you know, you're not among best qualified."
You're lucky it's only your husband. I get phone calls from at least 3 family members per day asking, "Have you heard anything yet," "have they called," "did you call them," "does it really take this long."
They are making the whole process even longer.
TaxMan1981
06-28-2005, 18:04
Ok... I'm new to the board. However allow me to give you my scenario and get some good direction.
I applied online for FBI IA on March 22 of 2005.
The online status said "Grade 7 recieved" forever untill yesterday when it switched to "Grade 7 eligable"
So can somebody help me understand where in the process I am ?
I'm a current federal employee with IRS as a Revenue Officer, which isn't a bad thing but I'd rather be an IA.
Any insight ?
I dont' even know if you should consider that seriously. Personally, I got thru all the tests and CO and am waiting on my BI. However, mine shows "Received".
electra1978
06-29-2005, 11:06
This was taken from the news this morning regarding changes the White House announced it will implement:
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/nation/3245958
"— Altering the structure at the FBI to consolidate its intelligence-gathering and analysis operations.
— At the Justice Department, creating a national security division and consolidating its counterterrorism, espionage and intelligence units."
My question is, won't this complicate hiring processes even further?
waitingindc
06-29-2005, 14:15
Hi everyone, I have been reading this board for a while and finally decided to join in on the waiting fun. Just to give an idea of my timeline so far
09/2004 Applied to FBIjobs, was listed as referred
10/2004 Was emailed that the vacancy had been cancelled
02/2004 Attended career fair where I was told to be on the lookout for a new announcement
early 03/2004 Reapplied and listed as referred to selecting official
mid 03/2004 Called and told to come interview at hotel in Crystal City, VA, attended and received CO on the spot
late 03/2004 Called and was reaffirmed that they wanted to give me a CO
early 04/2004 Did poly, psi, urinalysis, was told I passed on the spot
mid 04/2004 started to hear from friends that BI was underway
So far, I have been in touch with everyone I listed on my SF-86, and everyone has been contacted. I have kept in touch with my AC, every other week either I call her or she calls me. The latest was today, she asked for some info on a job I was at 10 years ago (!) when I was still in High School, specifically could I give her the names and addresses of some co-workers (this was 10 years ago and 6 states away, come on!)
So I am still anxiously waiting to get the final word, just like 95% of the people who post here, misery loves company right?
waitingindc
Endeavor
06-29-2005, 19:20
I applied for an IA position announced earlier this year (FO-2005-0022). Although I am not available to work at all of the locations (as required in the announcement), I do currently live in a high cost-of-living area already, and I thought that the local field office might take a look at someone who would not have any relocation expenses and who not be hit by sticker shock upon seeing the local housing prices. I answered the mobility question honestly ("No") and rolled the dice. (No matter how low the chances, if I didn't apply at all my chances would be 0%.)
In the past week, my application status was changed to "Ineligible," so it looks like the experiment failed. In case anyone else was thinking about trying, it appears you really do have to be able to move anywhere.
The Comments column on my application status page (on fbijobs.com) lists the code "PSIN". Does anyone know what that means? (_Pretty _Stupid _In _Not believing the selection requirements, perhaps...)
I applied for an IA position announced earlier this year (FO-2005-0022). Although I am not available to work at all of the locations (as required in the announcement), I do currently live in a high cost-of-living area already, and I thought that the local field office might take a look at someone who would not have any relocation expenses and who not be hit by sticker shock upon seeing the local housing prices. I answered the mobility question honestly ("No") and rolled the dice. (No matter how low the chances, if I didn't apply at all my chances would be 0%.)
In the past week, my application status was changed to "Ineligible," so it looks like the experiment failed. In case anyone else was thinking about trying, it appears you really do have to be able to move anywhere.
With reward comes responsibility. The Directorate of Intelligence (formerly the Office of Intelligence) has been doing a lot of things not often done before (hiring bonuses, relocation expenses for new IAs, making non-supervisory -14 positions theoretically available, and a preference transfer program). The process is continuing (and will continue) with the implementation of pre-hiring testing, initial training (report to Quantico then to office of assignment), etc. One of the prices that personnel coming into the IA program now have to pay is signing a mobility agreement. So far, the plan is to use it to allow them to move people when they seek higher positions. Without the mobility agreement, if an IA in HQ or the field wanted to go for a more responsible position, the DI couldn't require them to broaden their experience base by going to another environment (for example, a field IA to HQ or a HQ IA to a FIG). This would produce managers with a limited outlook (their own experience in a particular environment) and, ultimately, harm the program. Also, advancement beyond a -14 is going to require National Intelligence Officer certification, which will require another type of experience, probably with another government agency, which may require at least term relocation. The mobility agreement gives the FBI the ability to require these different types of experience for personnel seeking management positions. It's not currently contemplated that IAs will be rotated as a course of normal business, but, as with anything in the government, things can change.
Ultimately, if you're not able to move, you're better off having checked the mobility agreement box "No" and moving on with other jobs than getting into a position where you could be forced down the road to choose whether to move or to resign. Sorry it didn't work out for you, but the mobility agreement is part of the price IAs have to pay for an increasingly professional treatment.
electra1978
06-30-2005, 08:18
So I just checked my status and it's now "best qualified."
Of course, that made my morning.... :bounce:
But, is that anything to get excited over though since I haven't even gotten a call to schedule an interview???
waitingindc
06-30-2005, 09:02
I think that this question was asked earlier without illiciting a response. How does the adjudication process work at the Bureau? I am really wondering how one knows whether they are in adjudication or not? The last person to be contacted from my SF-86 was contacted 8+ weeks ago, but I still keep getting calls from my AC asking about addresses for jobs I had when I was 17, or why I forgot to list a speeding ticket I got 7 years ago on my forms. Is this part of the adjudication process, or some final portion of my BI?
Also, I know this question has been alluded to before, but after the clearance is officially given, what is the process for an applicant to be selected by a unit. I applied for HQ for either strategic intelligence or counterintelligence, but would be willing to do counterterrorism as well. Anybody have a feel for what happens? Thanks...
bad_timing
06-30-2005, 14:35
Does anyone on the inside know if the FBI is still going to meet its FY '05 hiring quota of 880 I/A's?
http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/pressrel05/05042005.htm
I certainly hope the above is true for all of us who have dreams of working for the bureau.
Re: Ajudication - Comes when the BI process is completed. The AC calling to get answers to questions related to your SF-86 and background indicate that it is still active. Ajudication (for both suitability for employment and for a security clearance) is the next step. The nature of the questions you are being asked is exactly why you have to be as absolutely complete as possible. Providing incomplete answers slows down the process significantly, even if it seems to be an unimportant issue. First they send out a lead to a BI to try and track down the information. This eats up time as the BI may have to do a lot of research to find the answers to the questions. The next step is recontacting you to try to get more information and then going through the lead process again. If it's in an area where Background Investigators are busy, it might take some time to get around to it again, slowing you up big time. You really can't provide too much information on this kind of stuff.
Re: Next Step - Once the ajudication is complete, the candidate is in a ready-to-hire status and their name and information appear on the listings provided to offices ready to hire someone. If you've got a skill set someone needs, then you could get grabbed up right away and get a firm offer (specific job, salary, report date) shortly thereafter. If it's more of a generalist skill set, it might take some time for your name to get selected from the list.
Re: Meeting goals - From everything I've heard, the DI is working very hard to meet the targets that have been set. If they're not all filled, though, they will carry over into next year and candidates who've already applied remain active.
My status changed today to "best eligible" as well. Although I haven't had an interview yet. I am part of last years hold overs, with my background being done but made inactive due to being an alternate last year. Anyway, keep hoping...
My status changed today to "best eligible" as well. Although I haven't had an interview yet. I am part of last years hold overs, with my background being done but made inactive due to being an alternate last year. Anyway, keep hoping...
There is something as alternate too? Wow, didn't knnow that.
Dear BuMan,
So adjudication and a FO/EOD are not synonymous? In other words, one can receive one's clearance, but still wait some time before being hired? What is the purpose of the FO, then? Is one given a FO even though one might not be placed? I'm unclear about some of this. Thanks.
Yours,
Travis
There is something as alternate too? Wow, didn't knnow that.
There was something as an alternate. Under the current hiring system, however, that has been done away with. When applications were for specific positions in specific units (HQ) or field divisions, a primary and an alternate were selected for each position. Sometimes, the primary would drop out on their own or be dropped for cause and the alternate would then be hired for that position. On the other hand, if the primary made it through, the alternate was not considered. Think of it this way, for a unit/division, there were three slots open, ten qualified candidates. The top three get the primary designation, the next three get alternate designations and the last four get, "Sorry, try again" letters.
Under the current system, candidates are processed, interviewed, and the background is conducted before a hiring office sees who the candidates are and what their skill sets are reported to be. Since hiring offices (units at HQ or division in the field) are only seeing ready to hire candidates, no need for alternates.
Dear BuMan,
So adjudication and a FO/EOD are not synonymous? In other words, one can receive one's clearance, but still wait some time before being hired? What is the purpose of the FO, then? Is one given a FO even though one might not be placed? I'm unclear about some of this. Thanks.
Yours,
Travis
Ajudication is the Security Division saying a) candidate can have a clearance and b) candidate is suitable for FBI hiring. Once a candidate gets through ajudication, they go into the pool of eligible candidates and when an office with a vacancy selects the person, then a final offer is extended with a start date, salary, etc. One should not get a final offer until there is a specific place to put them and a specific, agreed upon time for the person to start.
Dear BuMan,
Thanks very much--I think I understand the process now.
Yours,
Travis
achefswife
07-01-2005, 09:13
My neighbor told me yesterday that someone contacted her. I guess it's safe to say that my background investigation is on the way even though I haven't been called yet... I guess the process is really different for everyone. :p
Choicesix
07-01-2005, 10:19
Buman:
Is there any way to tell if I've been passed over? You mentioned candidates are placed in a pool and considered by various offices. Is there any way to tell if this has occurred? Is there any way to tell if someone is on the Quantico class list? The last time I talked to my AC she said she was going to close out my case so I could start on the 27th of June. I haven't heard anything from her since the first week of June. Since then I've read different posts in this forum offering information about the classes and the schedule for Quantico. Can you offer any guidance? Thanks.
Choicesix
P.S. for all of us waiting:
I don't know what's worse, not being told anything or being told something only to have it not happen (3 times).
Buman:
Is there any way to tell if I've been passed over? You mentioned candidates are placed in a pool and considered by various offices. Is there any way to tell if this has occurred? Is there any way to tell if someone is on the Quantico class list? The last time I talked to my AC she said she was going to close out my case so I could start on the 27th of June. I haven't heard anything from her since the first week of June. Since then I've read different posts in this forum offering information about the classes and the schedule for Quantico. Can you offer any guidance? Thanks.
Choicesix
P.S. for all of us waiting:
I don't know what's worse, not being told anything or being told something only to have it not happen (3 times).
New IAs are not going to Quantico directly yet. That is not planned to start until December at the earliest. You will report to your hiring office (be it a field division or HQ unit) initially, get your feet on the ground, do some grunt work (probably), and then get scheduled for ACES once your ducks are in a row. I'd contact either the field office processing you or the Staffing Unit at HQ to try to get a decent answer as to what's going on with your case. To get dates, even tentative ones, and have them pass on by without paperwork is a little bizzare.
Choicesix
07-01-2005, 17:59
New IAs are not going to Quantico directly yet. That is not planned to start until December at the earliest. You will report to your hiring office (be it a field division or HQ unit) initially, get your feet on the ground, do some grunt work (probably), and then get scheduled for ACES once your ducks are in a row. I'd contact either the field office processing you or the Staffing Unit at HQ to try to get a decent answer as to what's going on with your case. To get dates, even tentative ones, and have them pass on by without paperwork is a little bizzare.
Thanks for the response. Up to this point I've been reluctant to go around the AC I've been working with. The last attempt, calling the staffing number on the job announcement, met with no success--I left a message that wasn't returned.
If it weren't for this board I wouldn't have any clue as to what's going on. Again, thanks for the help.
Choicesix
achefswife
07-02-2005, 19:29
Ok everyone after waiting to hear something from my interview I finally have news. I received my CO yesterday in the mail and also my date for the poly. Apparently they called my neighbor in an attempt to get in touch with me (got the numbers mixed up so they say... I'm not sure that I really believe that). I spoke to someone one at HQ on yesterday who stated that they were trying to get in touch with me because they did not have my FD979 form. She stated that several applicants were submitted to HQ with the form missing and that I needed to fax it so that they could start my background.
Today I received a letter in the mail from my local FO stating that my poly would need to be rescheduled (isn't that nice?). So nothing will be getting started with me until next week or so especially since this is a holiday weekend. But at least I finally know how I did on the invterview and that I'm now in the BI stage. Thanks for all the information that everyone gives on this page... it's wonderful.
Just in case someone would like to know:
March '05: Filled out app online
June"05: Interview
July 18 (??) poly scheduled (will be changed though)
July BI began.
Things are moving much faster than I ever expected. :D
achefswife
07-02-2005, 19:39
I did not know that you don't report directly to Quantico. So what are the "schedule dates to leave for" .... your FO? Has it always been that the newly hired IA go to Quantico later or is this a part of the revamping process? I already have my bags packed (lol).
sigepuofu
07-02-2005, 19:51
New IAs are not going to Quantico directly yet. That is not planned to start until December at the earliest. You will report to your hiring office (be it a field division or HQ unit) initially, get your feet on the ground, do some grunt work (probably), and then get scheduled for ACES once your ducks are in a row. I'd contact either the field office processing you or the Staffing Unit at HQ to try to get a decent answer as to what's going on with your case. To get dates, even tentative ones, and have them pass on by without paperwork is a little bizzare.
Again, BuMan, your wisdom rings true. I'm headed to ACES training next week. I spent my first month doing basic work-I haven't done any real heavy analysis, but that's more of a consequence of the status of my unit than anything else.
I'm kind of looking forward to ACES, but I'm a little hesitant. I've heard a lot of negative stuff about it from other IAs who've been on the job for years. I think part of this might be a consequence of the fact that they've had a lot of on-the-job training that kind of made ACES redundant. Oh well. I just have to figure out how to get down to the Q from where I'm living now!
I went out today and bought a bunch of stuff they said I'd need at the Q-apparently, the sheets they issue you are not long enough for the mattresses on the bed- :o also, they said to bring bug spray and other stuff. Anything else you current IAs can think of? (BuMan?)
Other than that, life at HQ has been pretty low-key. The shift I work isn't too intense right now, but hopefully that'll pick up in the future. But, they're bringing more people on everyday, so apparently there's going to be a need for us, especially with the creation of the new NSS (National Security Service) within the Bureau, which the Directorate of Intelligence will be a part of.
Anyway, just thought I'd check in, hope everyone's dealing well with the hiring process and the wait. Get used to it-if you get on board, you're going to have to wait for more admin things-I'm still waiting to get reimbursed for my travel out to DC, among other things.
Enjoy! :D
sigepuofu
07-02-2005, 20:03
Just a follow-up to what I said before-BuMan's also correct in that its difficult to get an starting date for ACES without having turned in any paperwork-right now, you have to submit a form to self-nominate yourself for ACES, and then you have to get selected by the Training Unit. (Not that hard-people seem to be avoiding going to ACES if possible).
anyway, hope that's a little more informative. Enjoy
Again, BuMan, your wisdom rings true. I'm headed to ACES training next week. I spent my first month doing basic work-I haven't done any real heavy analysis, but that's more of a consequence of the status of my unit than anything else.
I'm kind of looking forward to ACES, but I'm a little hesitant. I've heard a lot of negative stuff about it from other IAs who've been on the job for years. I think part of this might be a consequence of the fact that they've had a lot of on-the-job training that kind of made ACES redundant. Oh well. I just have to figure out how to get down to the Q from where I'm living now!
I went out today and bought a bunch of stuff they said I'd need at the Q-apparently, the sheets they issue you are not long enough for the mattresses on the bed- :o also, they said to bring bug spray and other stuff. Anything else you current IAs can think of? (BuMan?)
Other than that, life at HQ has been pretty low-key. The shift I work isn't too intense right now, but hopefully that'll pick up in the future. But, they're bringing more people on everyday, so apparently there's going to be a need for us, especially with the creation of the new NSS (National Security Service) within the Bureau, which the Directorate of Intelligence will be a part of.
Anyway, just thought I'd check in, hope everyone's dealing well with the hiring process and the wait. Get used to it-if you get on board, you're going to have to wait for more admin things-I'm still waiting to get reimbursed for my travel out to DC, among other things.
Enjoy! :D
You're in the class starting on the 11th? Looks like I'll finally meet someone from the board. I'm in that class, too.
As for what you'll need at Quantico, I'd check some of the threads here. I don't need much of anything myself, so I haven't really checked into it at all. I just drive from home every day.
electra1978
07-03-2005, 08:34
Hey! I hope everyone enjoys a happy and safe 4th of July!!!! :hustle:
OrangeAlum2003
07-03-2005, 13:37
I've been out of the loop for a bit, not paying too much attention to my fbijobs.com status or this board for that matter, just because the constant waiting and speculating was really getting in the way of me concentrating on those things at hand in my life. In any event, I just checked my status on the website, and it's changed to "best qualified" as some of the others on the board have noted. I still haven't received an invitation to interview, so who knows?
Out of curiosity. Once my BI went through, i would need to be interviewed again by the office tha want me? Is it correct?
I am a bit confused of the process. It seems like some of you have a status of "best qualified" and yet being interviewed. My status online is just "application received" or something like that even though i was interviewed and polygraphed in DC. I was told of the conditional offer but not given a letter or anything. :( My BI is underway for nearly 2 months.
I dont' know if i shoudl call up DC and check. One positive thing that i received yesterday was my reimbursed check for the trip.
darkstar
07-03-2005, 15:06
hello all... i've been following the post for a while and i noticed that a couple of people have commented on their application status on the fbi homepage... specifically, i'm referring to the individuals who said that their status changed to "best qualified" after their interviews... my status also changed to "best qualified", but i haven't had an interview yet... anyone else in this boat? has anyone whose status changed to "best qualified" before receiving an interview subsequently had an interview scheduled? if so, what was the time frame? sorry for so many "crystal ball" type questions, just looking for any scrap of encouraging activity... i got as far as the interview for the IA last fall and didn't get the call back... hoping that changes this time around...
larryd7593
07-03-2005, 15:37
I am trying to figure out what the next step is after being labled "best qualified". I have an active TS/SCI clearance, which i am using in my current contractor position ... my understanding is that the FBI does not need to do a further background investigation, which would make my processing move along faster. Has anyone else been in this situation? Also has anyone heard about a "bonus" for those with active clearances?.. I have not been contacted other by anyone other than the online postings at fbi.jobs.com.
Here is my rundown/time frame:
9/04---applied for previous IA position
1/05---notified vacancy cancelled
3/05---applied for new vacancy
5/1/05---"referred to selecting official" (GS-11)
6/29/05---"best qualified" (GS-11)
7/05---"interview/rejection/hiring/???? :D"
bad_timing
07-03-2005, 17:15
It is my understanding that prior security clearances mean almost nothing when moving from one agency to another. Each entity within the IC conducts their own BI for whatever clearance is desired. For eaxmple, I hold a clearance with the DoD and the FBI is still going to do their own acting as if I never had one. That is exactly what the HR person said at the FO in which I interviewed.
It is my understanding that prior security clearances mean almost nothing when moving from one agency to another. Each entity within the IC conducts their own BI for whatever clearance is desired. For eaxmple, I hold a clearance with the DoD and the FBI is still going to do their own acting as if I never had one. That is exactly what the HR person said at the FO in which I interviewed.
Half right. The actual answer is that a position with the FBI involves a background investigation to determine whether the individual is suitable for the agency in addition to whether a security clearance can be granted. As noted in another post in the Federal Questions forum (http://www.911jobforums.com/vB/showthread.php3?t=46066), there are past actions by an individual which can be mitigated for the issuance of a security clearance which the FBI would not accept for employment. Your security clearance can be transferred to the FBI, but there will still be a suitability background and ajudication performed.
GTgrad02
07-04-2005, 21:56
Hey all,
When I received my CO in the mail on 6/17, the Applicant Coordinator's name and phone # were left blank. Kind of weird, huh? It has been 2 weeks, and no one has called me for my 3Ps... luckily, I have the email address & phone # of 1) the person I interviewed with, and 2) the AC at my local Field Office. I tried calling the staffing unit @ the number listed on the announcement, but to no avail. I even got slick, and started altering the phone # until I got a person on the line (i.e. 9118, 9117, 9119, 9120, etc.) Then I had them xfer me to the person who called me with the CO the 1st time... But then I got their voicemail, and no call back (1 week). So much for being slick.
The lady I interviewed w/ told me that the AC was waiting on a "lead" from the Staffing Unit in order to call me in for the 3Ps... Any ideas about what that means ("lead")? I wonder if the blank spaces on the CO for my AC indicates that they somehow lost track. Any ideas. Man, I guess I'm just ready to go!
I've been out of the loop for a bit, not paying too much attention to my fbijobs.com status or this board for that matter, just because the constant waiting and speculating was really getting in the way of me concentrating on those things at hand in my life. In any event, I just checked my status on the website, and it's changed to "best qualified" as some of the others on the board have noted. I still haven't received an invitation to interview, so who knows?
I'm with you as well, I'm "best qualified" but still no interview.
electra1978
07-06-2005, 09:03
I'm with you as well, I'm "best qualified" but still no interview.
Here's my question. Will they announce that they are no longer interviewing for the FO-2005-0022 positions, or are we to assume its still an ongoing process and that there still is a possibility that some of us will be called to interview at a later stage?
darkstar
07-06-2005, 18:19
i applied to the ia last year and rec'd a phone call from HQ asking for my SF 86 about 2 1/2 - 3 mos after applying... a couple of months after that i got an interview... i didn't get a call back and applied again to the ia as soon as it opened up... about the same amount of time has passed after submitting my app this time around as had passed after submitting the last one and receiving the phone call asking for my SF 86... i'm one of the ppl w/ the 'best qualified' tag on the website; however, i haven't heard anything regarding submitting further info... is submission of the SF 86 prerequisite for getting an interview? are SF 86's from previous announcements used for apps that are currenlty being processed? any info would be appreciated...
achefswife
07-06-2005, 20:43
i applied to the ia last year and rec'd a phone call from HQ asking for my SF 86 about 2 1/2 - 3 mos after applying... a couple of months after that i got an interview... i didn't get a call back and applied again to the ia as soon as it opened up... about the same amount of time has passed after submitting my app this time around as had passed after submitting the last one and receiving the phone call asking for my SF 86... i'm one of the ppl w/ the 'best qualified' tag on the website; however, i haven't heard anything regarding submitting further info... is submission of the SF 86 prerequisite for getting an interview? are SF 86's from previous announcements used for apps that are currenlty being processed? any info would be appreciated...
I don't think its a prereq for "getting" an interview. I submitted mine the day I interviewed. At the end of my interview one of the IA asked if I'd filled it out and remembered to bring it with me. I really dont' understand what the best qualified means either. My status has not changed since March.
PseudoFed
07-06-2005, 21:36
I'm with you as well, I'm "best qualified" but still no interview.
There are some strange things going on lately...After two months of "not amongst best qualified" at the GS7 level, my GS9 status just changed to "referred to selecting official." This process sure is curious! :o
electra1978
07-07-2005, 09:40
There are some strange things going on lately...After two months of "not amongst best qualified" at the GS7 level, my GS9 status just changed to "referred to selecting official." This process sure is curious! :o
My GS-9 status also changed to "referred to selecting official" and I suspect others' have as well. My GS-7 is still "best qualified." I'm attributing all this craziness to glitches in the QuickHire system.
GTgrad02
07-07-2005, 16:14
My GS-9 status also changed to "referred to selecting official" and I suspect others' have as well. My GS-7 is still "best qualified." I'm attributing all this craziness to glitches in the QuickHire system.
Hi Electra... I see you are on right now too.
All,
I JUST TOOK MY POLY/PSI/PP test!!!!!!!!!! :D :cool: :bounce: :hustle:
Here's my timeline again:
3/22 - apply
5/26 - panel interview
6/07 - telephone conditional offer
6/14 - written CO printed
6/17 - written CO received by mail
7/06 - called in for my PPP's within 48 hours
7/07 - (passed!?) PPP's and awaiting completion of BI!!!!!!!!!!!!
YEah baby!
I guess they got a little hung up due to the holiday. The PSI Specialist freaked me out. I asked him when I can expect the BI to be complete (rough idea), and he said something about them running out of $$$$$ Isn't it a little early in the fiscal yr for that?! I just hope WE get in the dor before the $$$$ is gone. BuMan... any credibility for the budget rumor? [Prob. not]
I guess they got a little hung up due to the holiday. The PSI Specialist freaked me out. I asked him when I can expect the BI to be complete (rough idea), and he said something about them running out of $$$$$ Isn't it a little early in the fiscal yr for that?! I just hope WE get in the dor before the $$$$ is gone. BuMan... any credibility for the budget rumor? [Prob. not]
Pretty much everything across the FBI took a 10% cut due to the replacement project for VCF, so, yes, it's credible. There have also been a lot of backgrounds done this year and not all turn out well, so there may be a shortfall because of that, too.
diablo3305
07-07-2005, 17:40
Pretty much everything across the FBI took a 10% cut due to the replacement project for VCF, so, yes, it's credible. There have also been a lot of backgrounds done this year and not all turn out well, so there may be a shortfall because of that, too.
BuMan,
Is it possible for funding to run out during a background investigation, or is the funding allocated beforehand. My background started about 3 months ago. About 2 weeks into it, all my references, some of my school professors, and my current employer were contacted, as well as one of my previous employers. I had my poly about 2 months ago and passeed it. My HR contact said I am still in background, yet one of my previous employers (who is in France now) said he has not yet been contacted. I was also expecting to see my credit report pulled at some point. I did hand them some updated contact info for previous employers when I went in for my poly, so that may have complicated things. I'm sure there are a number of reasons it can be slowed down, just wondering if its possibly a funding issue.
OrangeAlum2003
07-07-2005, 22:12
Just checked my fbijobs.com status again. I applied to both the GS-9 and 11 vacancies. For the longest time I was "referred to selecting official" for the GS-9 position except for a short stint where it went back to application received and my GS-11 application was listed as "application received." My GS-9 now says "best qualified" and my GS-11 says referred to selecting official. Who knows? As of yet, no human contact from the FBI.
Dear BuMan,
I am unclear as to how Sentinel replacing VCF will affect the FBI's projected hirings (if I am following you, that is). I had read that the FBI plans on hiring 880 new IAs by the end of FY 2005: http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/pressrel05/05042005.htm. I have no idea where the hiring currently stands. I am in adjudication right now--I'll be coming in on the HQ-2005-0008 announcement from early Feb. Should those of us at the stage I am in right now be concerned? Would this cut you mentioned affect our hiring?
Thanks!
Yours very truly,
Travis
darkstar
07-08-2005, 07:19
Just checked my fbijobs.com status again. I applied to both the GS-9 and 11 vacancies. For the longest time I was "referred to selecting official" for the GS-9 position except for a short stint where it went back to application received and my GS-11 application was listed as "application received." My GS-9 now says "best qualified" and my GS-11 says referred to selecting official. Who knows? As of yet, no human contact from the FBI.
i'm in the exact same boat... this is the first time that i've ever seen any activity on my gs11 app, past or present, except for when it turned to "not among the highest qualified" last year.... it's also the first time i have anything listed in the comments section....this particular comment is next to the gs11 status.... what is the nature of this ever so illuminating supplimental information you might ask? well, the comment says "referred to selecting official", just like the status box....
oh, and i applied to the gs7 as well, just for jollies... status there? "eligible"... so to recap, i'm "eligible" for the gs7, "best qualified" for the gs9, and my gs11 app has been "referred to selecting official." also, no contact yet from a human being... i really need to quit checking the website...
bad_timing
07-08-2005, 08:39
I concur with td. I was also told by the HR folks at my FO that because of the outstanding need to get I/A's through and hired by the end of FY '05 anyone who has received a CO will be brought on, so long as they make it through background etc.
This certainly gets a new twist to it each day that passes. :o
MoreWaiting
07-08-2005, 09:08
I have been reading this forum for the past couple of weeks and so far have not posted anything. However, after reading about everyone else's situation I feel inclined to post my experience.
3/7/2005 - Called in for interview - was told immediately I passed and scheduled for 3 p's.
3/23/2005 - Took 3 P’s, was told I passed immediately and that my background had begun.
3/26/2005 - Received phone call with conditional offer, but no letter
4/01/2005 - 4/30/2005 - Received phone calls from references and old employers saying they had been contacted.
4/30/2005 - 7/5/2005 - heard nothing
7/6/2005 - Called my contact and was told I have been "approved for hire" and would be receiving a letter soon.
7/8/2005 – Waiting and checking my mail everyday.
When I was called with my CO, I was told someone would call me and give me a FO before I would get a FO in writing, that hasn’t happened yet, I am trying to stay optimistic and just cross my fingers that things keep progressing.
My two questions are, when you are “approved for hire” is that the same or different than adjudication? Once you are approved for hire, is there still a selection process at that point? Sorry if either of these questions are redundant, I haven’t read the entire forum…..
At what point in the process do they tell you what FO you are being considered for? I was contacted yesterday by the local FO and she was not sure what office it was for, but wanted me to fill out the forms to start the process.
My two questions are, when you are “approved for hire” is that the same or different than adjudication? Once you are approved for hire, is there still a selection process at that point? Sorry if either of these questions are redundant, I haven’t read the entire forum…..
Approved for hire means that if I look at the list of candidates, find your resume meets my requirements, and you're willing to accept the conditions of the job, I can have you on board as soon as you get here. I give the DI your name, the FBI tells you what your offer is, and you say "Yes" or "No". Approved for hire means you're through background and ajudication and just waiting for someone to invite you to dance.
I am unclear as to how Sentinel replacing VCF will affect the FBI's projected hirings (if I am following you, that is). I had read that the FBI plans on hiring 880 new IAs by the end of FY 2005: I have no idea where the hiring currently stands. I am in adjudication right now--I'll be coming in on the HQ-2005-0008 announcement from early Feb. Should those of us at the stage I am in right now be concerned? Would this cut you mentioned affect our hiring?
Probably not going to affect hiring. We got our supply, equipment, travel and other money cut by 10%, but I think that was the extent of it. It might affect the funding available to pay contractors to complete backgrounds, but that's speculation, not fact. Haven't heard how many slots there are to be filled lately.
darkstar
07-08-2005, 16:11
well, the first part of the waiting process if finally over... i was contacted by my local FO today to confirm my interest in the ia position and to schedule the interview, submit the 86, etc... according to her, HQ wants the 6 candidates given to the local FO (of which i am one) processed through the interview stage by NLT july 29... i was given the choice of coming in either july 27, 28, or 29... funny thing is i'm getting married on july 22 and we're scheduled to be on our honeymoon through august 1... i tried to get the interview set for the week following but HR says all the sups will be on vacation that week... it's either the 1 of the 3 dates given or nothing at all.... hmmmm... honeymoon or bureau? honeymoon or bureau? when viewed like that it isn't really a question at all... my appt is july 29.... man, my fiance's p*ssed....
on a more upbeat note, it seems that the bureau is pushing to get ppl hired in asap... those who haven't heard anything yet be patient, your time is probably not that far off...
Choicesix
07-08-2005, 18:40
Approved for hire means that if I look at the list of candidates, find your resume meets my requirements, and you're willing to accept the conditions of the job, I can have you on board as soon as you get here. I give the DI your name, the FBI tells you what your offer is, and you say "Yes" or "No". Approved for hire means you're through background and ajudication and just waiting for someone to invite you to dance.
Great! I've been through adjudication since the beginning of may! Looks like nobody wants to dance. Wonder why I was invited in the first place? Is there any way to find out if my dance card's been passed on? I haven't been able to talk to my AC for 3 weeks now. ;)
OrangeAlum2003
07-08-2005, 19:35
Well, just about when I had given up all hope, I receive a call from my local field office inviting me for an interview for an IA position. I have a panel interview this Thursday. I've learned through this process, however, not to let my emotions swing too far in either direction, so I'll just take it for what it is, but I'm not going to get excited about anything until the day I have a letter with an EOD (if that day ever comes).
For those of you have had a panel interview recently. What types of questions were you asked? I've always been pretty comfortable in an interview environment, so I'm expecting to do well, but you never know. Anyway, I of all people, having seen many others on the board called for interviews long before I, had all but given up. I saw people who applied later than I but were called almost immediately for an interview. The FBI works in mysterious ways I guess. We'll see what happens. I'll keep you posted.
electra1978
07-08-2005, 21:03
well, the first part of the waiting process if finally over... i was contacted by my local FO today to confirm my interest in the ia position and to schedule the interview, submit the 86, etc... according to her, HQ wants the 6 candidates given to the local FO (of which i am one) processed through the interview stage by NLT july 29... i was given the choice of coming in either july 27, 28, or 29... funny thing is i'm getting married on july 22 and we're scheduled to be on our honeymoon through august 1... i tried to get the interview set for the week following but HR says all the sups will be on vacation that week... it's either the 1 of the 3 dates given or nothing at all.... hmmmm... honeymoon or bureau? honeymoon or bureau? when viewed like that it isn't really a question at all... my appt is july 29.... man, my fiance's p*ssed....
on a more upbeat note, it seems that the bureau is pushing to get ppl hired in asap... those who haven't heard anything yet be patient, your time is probably not that far off...
Ha! Good call there Darkstar going with the interview! :D Keep everyone posted on how that goes... Anyone else get the call recently??
darkstar
07-08-2005, 21:43
Ha! Good call there Darkstar going with the interview! :D Keep everyone posted on how that goes... Anyone else get the call recently??
yeah, i think so too... new england isn't going anywhere, but i can't say the same about the bureau's offer... i'll be sure to let everyone know how it turns out... wish me luck!!!
ps. anyone who's been through the process have any tips they'd like to share? any offerings would be greatly appreciated...
electra1978
07-08-2005, 23:20
yeah, i think so too... new england isn't going anywhere, but i can't say the same about the bureau's offer... i'll be sure to let everyone know how it turns out... wish me luck!!!
ps. anyone who's been through the process have any tips they'd like to share? any offerings would be greatly appreciated...
Yeah, I live in New England, and the best time to see it is in October with the changing foliage and all so no worries there...
Best of luck with your interview! (even though I'm sure you'll do quite well...)
GTgrad02
07-08-2005, 23:27
Hey all, funny story:
I work for TSA in ATL now. I ran into one of the SA's that did my panel interview @ the airport!! I helped him through the process, as he was deploing to Iraq for 90 days! It was so cool to have that reunion. He asked me how things were going, and I told him I passed the 3P's yesterday and that right after I got out, I got a call from my old college roomie saying he had lunch w/ a BI dude! He was very excited and told me that I had REALLY impressed them in my interview, and he was hoping to work with me soon! Not bad, huh?
I can't believe that that my old roomie was eating lunch with a BI while I was hooked up to the electric shock device!!
I think I am going to call all my peeps on my 86 and tell them to try to getthe BI to buy them lunch. I wonder if any of them will catch on. Then again, I hope the prank doesn't cost me the JOB!
OrangeAlum2003
07-09-2005, 00:42
Hey all, funny story:
I work for TSA in ATL now. I ran into one of the SA's that did my panel interview @ the airport!! I helped him through the process, as he was deploing to Iraq for 90 days! It was so cool to have that reunion. He asked me how things were going, and I told him I passed the 3P's yesterday and that right after I got out, I got a call from my old college roomie saying he had lunch w/ a BI dude! He was very excited and told me that I had REALLY impressed them in my interview, and he was hoping to work with me soon! Not bad, huh?
I can't believe that that my old roomie was eating lunch with a BI while I was hooked up to the electric shock device!!
I think I am going to call all my peeps on my 86 and tell them to try to getthe BI to buy them lunch. I wonder if any of them will catch on. Then again, I hope the prank doesn't cost me the JOB!
GT,
Have you told your current supervisor about your opportunity with the Bureau? I certainly don't want to put the cart before the horse, but if given a CO, the last thing I want to do is tell my boss about the FBI and then not end up even getting the job. Or even worse, what if a BI contacts my current employer early in the process before I know what my fate with the FBI is? I've read a lot of stuff on the board here on the topic, but it seems like the BI's don't always respect someone's wishes to delay contacting current employers until the very end of the process. If the FBI job weren't to come through, I would have no intention of leaving my current job. I know it's better for them to find out directly from you, but to let the cat out of the bag too early might turn out to be suicide. Any thoughts from you or others would be appreciated.
OrangeAlum2003
07-09-2005, 00:50
well, the first part of the waiting process if finally over... i was contacted by my local FO today to confirm my interest in the ia position and to schedule the interview, submit the 86, etc... according to her, HQ wants the 6 candidates given to the local FO (of which i am one) processed through the interview stage by NLT july 29... i was given the choice of coming in either july 27, 28, or 29... funny thing is i'm getting married on july 22 and we're scheduled to be on our honeymoon through august 1... i tried to get the interview set for the week following but HR says all the sups will be on vacation that week... it's either the 1 of the 3 dates given or nothing at all.... hmmmm... honeymoon or bureau? honeymoon or bureau? when viewed like that it isn't really a question at all... my appt is july 29.... man, my fiance's p*ssed....
on a more upbeat note, it seems that the bureau is pushing to get ppl hired in asap... those who haven't heard anything yet be patient, your time is probably not that far off...
What FO called you? Indianapolis? Did they give you any indication if the position was for HQ, Indy, or a different FO?
TampaBarb
07-09-2005, 06:24
Hi all! Thank God for this board, it has answered so many questions. I'm encouraged and discouraged all at the same time :)
I applied to FO-2005-0022 in March, grades 7 and 9. Had no idea how long it would take, sent a couple of follow up emails.
In May I got a call from the Tampa FO...but she said she was calling to tell me how to apply. It hadn't seemed that there was anything wrong with my QuickHire application so I asked her if in fact it had gotten lost and she said not to worry, she didn't know why she was told to tell me how to apply but to sit tight.
No status update until this past week, now my grade 9 has been referred (great!) and my grade 7 is eligible. I'm not surprised my timeline is longer than others as I'm actually currently working in a legal support staff position, but just finished my M.S. in Forensic DNA/Serology and have an English/Journalism B.A.
What do you think of my phone call?
Also...I have moved a lot. I wonder how this will affect my BI, if at all. I am not a homeowner and I never seem to pick apartments that are good for the long term. I'm about to move again, but the next one is a good apartment.
And...have had some neighbor disputes in the past (one reason I left one apartment)...called police about her noise, she retailiated and called police about my dog. Just a mess. Was dismissed after mediation. But I have to report it. Also called division of family services on a neighbor I suspected of abusing her 3yo grandson, but she was evicted and nothing further happened (unfortunately).
Too bad that there are 17 IAs in the Tampa FO...I love living here...but would happily trot off to another location if selected.
Should I be so worried about these issues?
Thanks, you guys are fantastic. Working for FBI is a dream of mine as my grandfather was an SA, and so was his brother, my mother worked in the NYC FO for a while as did my uncle.
Dear BuMan,
Thanks for the clarification--truly appreciated.
Yours,
Travis
larryd7593
07-09-2005, 10:02
well i finall got contacted by the local FBI office. They set up an interview for the 15th of July. Like some others they told me they had to conduct all inteviews before the end of July. She had been calling my contact number for 5 days and finally emailed me to call her. Funny story is that my cell phone (contact number) was stolen early tuesday morning so I had it cut off immediately. I immediately went online and changed my contact numbers but she already had my package from HQ. Anyway she was really nice and told me when i got on with the bureau we could track down the thieves (not trying to read into it but she did use the words "when i got on"). after setting up the inteview someone from HQ called in response to my email inquiries about what "best qualified" meant. He told me it meant i would definitely get an interview (duh since i had just gotten off the phone setting up the interview) but beyond that it is an ongoing process and i should just be patient. One other note is the local office said i was the last of a "few" interviews and they had some slots to fill real soon. anyway just thought i would let everone know my status. here is my timeline again:
3/05 applied for IA position
5/05 referred to selecting official
6/29/05 "best qualified" GS11
7/5-8/05 attempted contact for an interview, 7/8 set up interview
7/8/05 called back to define "best qualified" given direct number to call with any questions.
7/15 interview.....next????
darkstar
07-09-2005, 10:19
Yeah, I live in New England, and the best time to see it is in October with the changing foliage and all so no worries there...
Best of luck with your interview! (even though I'm sure you'll do quite well...)
thanks, i appreciate the vote of confidence.. :)
electra1978
07-09-2005, 10:19
well i finall got contacted by the local FBI office. They set up an interview for the 15th of July. Like some others they told me they had to conduct all inteviews before the end of July. She had been calling my contact number for 5 days and finally emailed me to call her. Funny story is that my cell phone (contact number) was stolen early tuesday morning so I had it cut off immediately. I immediately went online and changed my contact numbers but she already had my package from HQ. Anyway she was really nice and told me when i got on with the bureau we could track down the thieves (not trying to read into it but she did use the words "when i got on"). after setting up the inteview someone from HQ called in response to my email inquiries about what "best qualified" meant. He told me it meant i would definitely get an interview (duh since i had just gotten off the phone setting up the interview) but beyond that it is an ongoing process and i should just be patient. One other note is the local office said i was the last of a "few" interviews and they had some slots to fill real soon. anyway just thought i would let everone know my status. here is my timeline again:
3/05 applied for IA position
5/05 referred to selecting official
6/29/05 "best qualified" GS11
7/5-8/05 attempted contact for an interview, 7/8 set up interview
7/8/05 called back to define "best qualified" given direct number to call with any questions.
7/15 interview.....next????
Congrats larryd7593! I am so encouraged by all the progress that's been happening in the past couple of days. I also had my status upgraded to "best qualified" so I hope that I too will get a call to interview soon.
When you said you were the last of a few, did you mean last of a few at your FO, or last of a few overall??
Keep posting peple, these boards have been golden in helping us wade through the process...
darkstar
07-09-2005, 10:25
What FO called you? Indianapolis? Did they give you any indication if the position was for HQ, Indy, or a different FO?
yes it was indianapolis.... they didn't say where i might go, whether it be HQ, indy, or someplace else... for a lot of reasons i'd like to stay close but obviously i'll take whatever they offer... when i interviewed @ the indy FO last year i was told that they wanted to hire somewhere between 10 - 15 ia's total through FY 2005, so i guess it's possible that i'll be interviewing for indy... guess i'll find out....
what about you, did they give any indication where you might be headed?
larryd7593
07-09-2005, 12:33
Congrats larryd7593! I am so encouraged by all the progress that's been happening in the past couple of days. I also had my status upgraded to "best qualified" so I hope that I too will get a call to interview soon.
When you said you were the last of a few, did you mean last of a few at your FO, or last of a few overall??
Keep posting peple, these boards have been golden in helping us wade through the process...
thanks...and i suspect you will be hearing from someone soon. the "few" interviews was specific to my local office (denver). If you have any contacts in the business now is the time to use them. I have a old friend of mine working for the AF and he has a meeting with the lead IA in denver the day before my interview and knows the person doing my interview...so he is going to drop my name, hope it helps!! I know they get tons of emails but if you email the address given in the posting they might give you an update either by phone or via email...worked for me! good luck!!!
achefswife
07-09-2005, 15:40
I hope it is true about the FBI trying to fulfill its FY budget and get everyone in by Oct. 1. I would really like to be starting in August if at all possible (prayerful thinking). I would like to be stable on the job before the holidays start rolling in.
Got my date for the poly (July 22.... changed from the 18th). Everyone got ahead of themselves with the scheduling and then realized they were missing my FD979 release form. So they had to put my initial schedule dates on hold.
Whew!!!! At least it was an oversight of theirs and not mine. :rolleyes:
electra1978
07-09-2005, 15:41
thanks...and i suspect you will be hearing from someone soon. the "few" interviews was specific to my local office (denver). If you have any contacts in the business now is the time to use them. I have a old friend of mine working for the AF and he has a meeting with the lead IA in denver the day before my interview and knows the person doing my interview...so he is going to drop my name, hope it helps!! I know they get tons of emails but if you email the address given in the posting they might give you an update either by phone or via email...worked for me! good luck!!!
Thanks for the tips! I wish I had someone on the inside to help me out, but the only person I know who could help is serving in Afghanistan for the AF...
I am confident that I will hear from someone this week, but if I don't I'll drop them an email to see if I can get some sort of update...
TampaBarb
07-09-2005, 17:44
Hey could someone give me the contact name and info for FO-2005-0022? I shouldn't admit it here, but I lost my printout of the actual announcement and only have my responses to the questions.
I tried to email the Tampa FO today and it got bounced back to me. Thanks.
electra1978
07-09-2005, 19:18
Hey could someone give me the contact name and info for FO-2005-0022? I shouldn't admit it here, but I lost my printout of the actual announcement and only have my responses to the questions.
I tried to email the Tampa FO today and it got bounced back to me. Thanks.
I also lost the announcement, and tried unsuccessfully to access it again from the FBIjobs web site. Then, I remembered USAjobs.com also had the announcement at one point so I checked and it's still there.
Here's the link in case anyone wants to take another look at it:
http://jobsearch.usajobs.opm.gov/getjob.asp?JobID=28272485&AVSDM=2005%2D06%2D12+19%3A47%3A14&Logo=0&q=FO-2005-0022&FedEmp=N&sort=rv&vw=d&brd=3876&ss=0&FedPub=Y&SUBMIT1.x=0&SUBMIT1.y=0
There is no person associated with the announcement. This is all it has:
For questions about this job:
Staffing Unit
Phone: 202-220-9117
Fax: 202-220-9143
TDD: (202) 220-9222
Internet: postings@ic.fbi.gov
OrangeAlum2003
07-09-2005, 19:33
yes it was indianapolis.... they didn't say where i might go, whether it be HQ, indy, or someplace else... for a lot of reasons i'd like to stay close but obviously i'll take whatever they offer... when i interviewed @ the indy FO last year i was told that they wanted to hire somewhere between 10 - 15 ia's total through FY 2005, so i guess it's possible that i'll be interviewing for indy... guess i'll find out....
what about you, did they give any indication where you might be headed?
I will be interviewing in SF. I asked, but he gave me no indication for which location I would be interviewing. He said it could be for SF or for HQ. He didn't mention the possibility of another FO, but I have to believe that's a realistic possibility. Ideally, I'd love to stay in the Bay, but it's very difficult to get by here with the housing prices, and the Bureau would likely be a pay cut from my current position. It is, however, as close to my dream job as I can possibly imagine, so money is certainly not the #1 variable. It would be hard for my wife, but I kind of consider this my last opportunity to get into the intelligence field. I finished grad school about a year and a half ago, and have been working in the private sector in an unrelated industry. I have to think that the more distance that accumulates between the end of grad school and the start of this kind of career the worse my odds get. That said I feel that I would be compelled to take the position regardless of location. The hardest part about moving is leaving family and friends behind. Weather, housing, transportation etc. I can all get used to.
darkstar
07-09-2005, 21:50
I will be interviewing in SF. I asked, but he gave me no indication for which location I would be interviewing. He said it could be for SF or for HQ. He didn't mention the possibility of another FO, but I have to believe that's a realistic possibility. Ideally, I'd love to stay in the Bay, but it's very difficult to get by here with the housing prices, and the Bureau would likely be a pay cut from my current position. It is, however, as close to my dream job as I can possibly imagine, so money is certainly not the #1 variable. It would be hard for my wife, but I kind of consider this my last opportunity to get into the intelligence field. I finished grad school about a year and a half ago, and have been working in the private sector in an unrelated industry. I have to think that the more distance that accumulates between the end of grad school and the start of this kind of career the worse my odds get. That said I feel that I would be compelled to take the position regardless of location. The hardest part about moving is leaving family and friends behind. Weather, housing, transportation etc. I can all get used to.
i feel you... i'm still in grad school and my fiance's in undergrad... if i get an offer for anything other than indy (provided i get an offer at all) and ship anytime w/in the next 18 mos i'll be going alone... she won't join me until after she graduates in dec, 2006... not exactly fun times ahead but this is what i really want to do and she supports me... and i agree about the difficulty in leaving family/friends behind... it seems that the more i think about this the more sacrifice it seems to entail... but if i wait any longer i get the feeling that this opportunity will pass me by, one way or another... i'm sure that if and when i get hired everything will work itself out, and there's no reason to think that doesn't apply to everyone who wants this bad enough...
TampaBarb
07-09-2005, 22:09
I also lost the announcement, and tried unsuccessfully to access it again from the FBIjobs web site. Then, I remembered USAjobs.com also had the announcement at one point so I checked and it's still there.
Here's the link in case anyone wants to take another look at it:
http://jobsearch.usajobs.opm.gov/getjob.asp?JobID=28272485&AVSDM=2005%2D06%2D12+19%3A47%3A14&Logo=0&q=FO-2005-0022&FedEmp=N&sort=rv&vw=d&brd=3876&ss=0&FedPub=Y&SUBMIT1.x=0&SUBMIT1.y=0
There is no person associated with the announcement. This is all it has:
For questions about this job:
Staffing Unit
Phone: 202-220-9117
Fax: 202-220-9143
TDD: (202) 220-9222
Internet: postings@ic.fbi.gov
Now I remember...I will send that off today.
Now that my status was slightly upgraded I am obsessively checking the site, must stop!
Ellington
07-09-2005, 23:11
Congrats OrangeAlum2003. It's been a long time coming, but you finally got the call to be interviewed. I wish you the best.
My BI is underway. My best friend called me yesterday and told me she will be meeting with an agent next week. Also, I got a call from an agent wanting names of a few Professors from the college I attended. However, I haven't gotten a call yet from the FO to schedule the PSI, Urinalysis, and Polygraph.
Jedburgh
07-10-2005, 01:14
well i finall got contacted by the local FBI office. They set up an interview for the 15th of July. Like some others they told me they had to conduct all inteviews before the end of July.
My timeline is almost exactly the same as yours. But my interview is set for the 12th. I was on leave when they were trying to contact me, and walked in the door after driving over 300 miles as the phone was ringing on another try!
OrangeAlum2003
07-10-2005, 09:52
My timeline is almost exactly the same as yours. But my interview is set for the 12th. I was on leave when they were trying to contact me, and walked in the door after driving over 300 miles as the phone was ringing on another try!
Jedburgh, are you interviewing in Oakland? I saw that you're in Monterey. If so, I'll be interviewing 2 days after you. Pretty good chance you'll see the same panel I would imagine. Any tips after the interview would be appreciated. Good luck to you.
OrangeAlum2003
07-10-2005, 09:59
Congrats OrangeAlum2003. It's been a long time coming, but you finally got the call to be interviewed. I wish you the best.
My BI is underway. My best friend called me yesterday and told me she will be meeting with an agent next week. Also, I got a call from an agent wanting names of a few Professors from the college I attended. However, I haven't gotten a call yet from the FO to schedule the PSI, Urinalysis, and Polygraph.
Thanks, I appreciate the kind words. Yes, it seems like it has been a long time, and who knows what the outcome will be? I am pleased though to have gotten this far, and I hope that it all works out in the end.
It's funny how the order of operations seems to be different for everyone in the BI. Some get the 3 P's scheduled immediately after an interview. Some people get investigators calling their friends and associates beforehand. You just never know. My one concern is making sure that the investigator doesn't contact my current supervisor until the end of the process and after I have already told him myself, contingent of course on an actual CO (I have to at least be optimistic that I'll nail the interview :)) That would be the worst for them to contact your current employer and you end up not even getting the job. That would be a total nightmare. Oh well, I really do want this so I'll just have to give it my best shot and let the chips fall where they may.
Does anybody have insights as to the possibility of working a flexible schedule as an IA? I believe the job announcement touted this as one of the job benefits. I'm hoping to be assigned a post within about a 2 hour radius of present home (i.e., D.C., Baltimore, or Phildelphia) so as not to have to relocate my family. My plan would be to rent a studio or efficiency apt. where I work. Obviously, being able to pack my 50 or 60 hrs a week into a 4 day workweek would be great for my family QT . . .
I just wonder if my hopes of doing so are realistic in the contexts of work load, on call requirements, office politics, etc. . .
Current status: panel interview in early June; PPP completed and passed; CO @ GS11; and BI well underway.
GTgrad02
07-10-2005, 13:51
GT,
Have you told your current supervisor about your opportunity with the Bureau? I certainly don't want to put the cart before the horse, but if given a CO, the last thing I want to do is tell my boss about the FBI and then not end up even getting the job. Or even worse, what if a BI contacts my current employer early in the process before I know what my fate with the FBI is? I've read a lot of stuff on the board here on the topic, but it seems like the BI's don't always respect someone's wishes to delay contacting current employers until the very end of the process. If the FBI job weren't to come through, I would have no intention of leaving my current job. I know it's better for them to find out directly from you, but to let the cat out of the bag too early might turn out to be suicide. Any thoughts from you or others would be appreciated.
Orange,
My entire Chain of Command is aware, and they are very supportive/excited for me. The FBI has called over there asking ?'s already, and I told my COC to expect it. I am not sure what your work environment is like... but that's mine. Granted the TSA has not been the best place to work. Absolutely no opportunity for advancement, 2.5% raises annually, and mostly mundane work... But I have done great things for my Field Office, and they are appreciative ($ & Merit awards in an Agency that is very sparing with them). Honestly, it would take an act of Congress to fire me ayway... but they are supportive of people mving on to bigger & better things. Hell, my leaving will actually CREATE job advancement opportunities for someone else (in teory... we'll see).
GTgrad02
07-10-2005, 14:08
I hope it is true about the FBI trying to fulfill its FY budget and get everyone in by Oct. 1. I would really like to be starting in August if at all possible (prayerful thinking). I would like to be stable on the job before the holidays start rolling in.
Got my date for the poly (July 22.... changed from the 18th). Everyone got ahead of themselves with the scheduling and then realized they were missing my FD979 release form. So they had to put my initial schedule dates on hold.
Whew!!!! At least it was an oversight of theirs and not mine. :rolleyes:
achef'swife:
It's ALWAYS good when they're making the mistakes! It means you are on the ball. You never want it to be the other way around! hang in there!
GTgrad02
07-10-2005, 14:23
i feel you... i'm still in grad school and my fiance's in undergrad... if i get an offer for anything other than indy (provided i get an offer at all) and ship anytime w/in the next 18 mos i'll be going alone... she won't join me until after she graduates in dec, 2006... not exactly fun times ahead but this is what i really want to do and she supports me... and i agree about the difficulty in leaving family/friends behind... it seems that the more i think about this the more sacrifice it seems to entail... but if i wait any longer i get the feeling that this opportunity will pass me by, one way or another... i'm sure that if and when i get hired everything will work itself out, and there's no reason to think that doesn't apply to everyone who wants this bad enough...
DarkStar,
Of course, who knows when we will have to take the job and where we will have to go. But, I am sure you & your fiance can handle it well. Some personal words, if you want them:
When I took the job w/ TSA 2-3 yrs ago, I was originally assigned to the MSF (Mobile Screening Force) which was tasked with "rolling out" the new TSA in all the airports nationwide (takeover, hire, train, certify, and move on the next location). I spent nearly 9 months on continuous deployment, working 12-16 hours/day) and rarely spent more than 2 weeks in any 1 location. Al the while, I hadn't been marrie for more than 1 yr or so. The things that helped us out the most were (1) constant communcation via a good unlimited cell-phone plan, & (2) frequent visits by our spouse - got to love those Airtran $89 one-way fares... We live in the 21st century! New gadgets really help close the distance (webcams, email, digital cams, cellphones, internet shopping for gifts/flowers, etc).
mugrad04
07-10-2005, 14:47
Congrats OrangeAlum2003. It's been a long time coming, but you finally got the call to be interviewed. I wish you the best.
My BI is underway. My best friend called me yesterday and told me she will be meeting with an agent next week. Also, I got a call from an agent wanting names of a few Professors from the college I attended. However, I haven't gotten a call yet from the FO to schedule the PSI, Urinalysis, and Polygraph.
Does anyone know how long a BI usually lasts? Mine started about a month ago but from all of my references and teachers that have called me-it sounds like there is no one else for them to interview. Also, one of the SA that interviewed me said that they wanted to have everyone in place by the end of August-did anyone else hear that? Thanks!
achefswife
07-10-2005, 15:00
Long distance can be just that LOOOOOOONG, but it can be done. My husband was in the Navy when we first met (stationed in Hawaii while I lived in Alabama). We married only to continue the long distance... he then moved to Norfolk while I still awaited him getting out in Alabama. As long as each of you understand the other's career choices/goals it can work. My husband and I have actually been living together now for almost a year and now it's my turn to move us all over the country. Yet, he understands that this is a wise move for our future.
As far as my family/friends, I actually like visiting them... them gettting on my nerves... and then me going back home where sanity exist. My brothers and sisters have always lived in other places (all military/gov. in some form or fashion). Besides, I'm just a road trip type of person so I like traveling.
Just keep the communication lines open... all of them (cell phones, LAN lines, internet, mail, web cams, etc.)
achefswife
07-10-2005, 15:01
The end of AUGUST.... now that's super fast!!! I hope that is true. My background has started but I haven't heard anything from anyone yet; no questions or clarification. No news to me is better than bad news.
Quick question:
Do you always take your 3p's on the same day. I have a schedule date for the poly, but nothing was mentioned about the other two.
mugrad04
07-10-2005, 15:09
The end of AUGUST.... now that's super fast!!! I hope that is true. My background has started but I haven't heard anything from anyone yet; no questions or clarification. No news to me is better than bad news.
Quick question:
Do you always take your 3p's on the same day. I have a schedule date for the poly, but nothing was mentioned about the other two.
By the other two do you mean the PSI and fingerprinting? If so, I took them all on the same day and when they called me to set up the polygraph they didn't mention the other two. If you have a date for the poly, I would think you would be doing the other two at the same time-thats why it takes so long.
diablo3305
07-10-2005, 15:40
Does anyone know how long a BI usually lasts? Mine started about a month ago but from all of my references and teachers that have called me-it sounds like there is no one else for them to interview. Also, one of the SA that interviewed me said that they wanted to have everyone in place by the end of August-did anyone else hear that? Thanks!
Well, in my case, I am still in BI phase and mine started back in April. Its been about 3 months so far. Within two weeks of it starting, all my references and most of the previous employers I know and my current employer were contacted. As were some of my grad school professors. I don't know all the specifics of the BI, but I would expect to wait a few months. I would love to be in before the end of August, so hopefully something happens soon. I was originally told on the phone when I got my CO that the BI takes about 4 months or so to do, but it is a case my case thing, some are longer or shorter.
Hey all, just a quick question...
If a field office picks my name out of the "pool", will i need to be interviewed again by that office although i was interviewed in DC and did other things too?
Also, is it a bad thing to call my city's office to check on my status or should i call HQ?
I am sitting here, with the semester is about to begin, wondering what i should do. I really do want to know my options..:)
Thanks for reply..
Chimaera32
07-10-2005, 17:33
For what it is worth, get ahold of somebody and ask them that same quesiton. I am completing my PhD coursework and told them I have committments teachign until such as date...from the begining. They suggested it was very reasonable to lay out such a situation. If you start school you will be free in 3 short months (if you speak with the instructor (I am one) ahead of time they should let you take your finals early.
Just my .02
Jedburgh
07-10-2005, 19:06
Just curious - how many here applying for the FBI IA positions have an operational intel background as opposed to purely academic? Military, criminal, BI/competitive, other agency, etc....
electra1978
07-10-2005, 19:13
Just curious - how many here applying for the FBI IA positions have an operational intel background as opposed to purely academic? Military, criminal, BI/competitive, other agency, etc....
Hi Jedburgh. I myself don't have the official operational experience, but do have a great deal of firsthand knowledge and critical skills as a result of living for an extensive period in areas of interest overseas.
How about yourself?
Jedburgh
07-10-2005, 19:36
Hi Jedburgh. I myself don't have the official operational experience, but do have a great deal of firsthand knowledge and critical skills as a result of living for an extensive period in areas of interest overseas.
How about yourself?
Hiya Electra. I guess I should've stated upfront, since I asked the question...
I've got a bit over 15 years in Army HUMINT on both the collection and analysis sides of the house, almost all of it working or deployed to the Mid East (Desert Storm, Provide Comfort, UNSCOM, Northern Watch, Southern Watch, Enduring Freedom and Iraqi Freedom...although OEF was really Central Asia, not the ME...)
I've had a great time, and I love the job - but it's time to shift. The Bureau looks like a great opportunity right now.
darkstar
07-10-2005, 20:38
DarkStar,
Of course, who knows when we will have to take the job and where we will have to go. But, I am sure you & your fiance can handle it well. Some personal words, if you want them:
When I took the job w/ TSA 2-3 yrs ago, I was originally assigned to the MSF (Mobile Screening Force) which was tasked with "rolling out" the new TSA in all the airports nationwide (takeover, hire, train, certify, and move on the next location). I spent nearly 9 months on continuous deployment, working 12-16 hours/day) and rarely spent more than 2 weeks in any 1 location. Al the while, I hadn't been marrie for more than 1 yr or so. The things that helped us out the most were (1) constant communcation via a good unlimited cell-phone plan, & (2) frequent visits by our spouse - got to love those Airtran $89 one-way fares... We live in the 21st century! New gadgets really help close the distance (webcams, email, digital cams, cellphones, internet shopping for gifts/flowers, etc).
i appreciate the words of support... despite my excitement at an actual interview date i understand that there's still a lot of work to do between now and any eventual offer of employment... nontheless, my fiance is already planning for a possible extended time a part... the very technological innovations you mentioned (cell phones, inexpensive air fare, internet communication, etc) are the basis for our "survival plan." it's encouraging to hear of someone who was able to successfully implement a similar plan...
have you been offered a position yet?
darkstar
07-10-2005, 20:43
Long distance can be just that LOOOOOOONG, but it can be done. My husband was in the Navy when we first met (stationed in Hawaii while I lived in Alabama). We married only to continue the long distance... he then moved to Norfolk while I still awaited him getting out in Alabama. As long as each of you understand the other's career choices/goals it can work. My husband and I have actually been living together now for almost a year and now it's my turn to move us all over the country. Yet, he understands that this is a wise move for our future.
As far as my family/friends, I actually like visiting them... them gettting on my nerves... and then me going back home where sanity exist. My brothers and sisters have always lived in other places (all military/gov. in some form or fashion). Besides, I'm just a road trip type of person so I like traveling.
Just keep the communication lines open... all of them (cell phones, LAN lines, internet, mail, web cams, etc.)
i appreciate your encouragment as well... it's good to see instances of long distance relationships working over an extended period of time...
have you completed your interview yet? if so, any tips for those of us who still have yet to do it?
atxtallguy
07-10-2005, 20:48
Just curious - how many here applying for the FBI IA positions have an operational intel background as opposed to purely academic? Military, criminal, BI/competitive, other agency, etc....
Hello all, I'm new to this site and I think it is great! All this time I felt alone with the waiting game and nobody else understands (work, neighbors, etc.) the long and drawn out process this is.
Jedburgh, to answer your question I've applied for the FBI IA and I have 5 years prior experience as an IA in the Army.
To catch everyone else up with what is/is not going on with me:
5/20 Had interview
6/05 BI has started
I'll have my poly on 7/12
Some SA spoke with some of my neighbors this weekend, so things seem to be moving along fairly quickly.
My question is, has anyone been offered the bonus or was it mentioned with the CO?
darkstar
07-10-2005, 20:55
Just curious - how many here applying for the FBI IA positions have an operational intel background as opposed to purely academic? Military, criminal, BI/competitive, other agency, etc....
based on what i've seen so far look like i'm in the minority... no prior intelligence experience... most of my qualifications come from what i've gained in academia... m.a. in c.j., phd in c.j. as soon as i find time to finish it up...
Choicesix
07-10-2005, 21:31
Jedburgh-
8 years USAF Korling/paralegal: collection, analysis, C3 networking. I made the circuit from AIA HQ to Osan to NSA. Most of my time was at NSA working QC, tasking and writing. Kind of took a sabbatical as a Military Justice paralegal. Moving so frequently was hard but I got to work all along the intel pipeline. Paralegal was fun too, but working child molester courts-martial was shitty. I must have written 40 or so discharges in a year; I won't ever understand drug use, but the stories were priceless.
I enjoyed it. I miss it sometimes, but now was the time to move on. I feel the same that the FBI was a great opportunity. The waiting is tough though.
Are you a MLI or there for the intermediate?
Choicesix
bad_timing
07-11-2005, 06:30
I have been posting for some time now and I thought I would chime in on the latest posts.
Anyone worried about their qualifications should not be worried after reading this post. I have a B.S. in Secondary Education in History and Geography and I am certified to teach middle/high school in the Great Lakes State. I have no military experience, no language, no masters and no Ph D (obviously). So if you were worried about your skills before you should feel pretty good now. I am the longshot. :cool:
My current status is as follows:
June 05-Interview
June 05-CO by phone
June 05-Written CO received
July 05-PPP scheduled...
I am starting to think I am the only one, that if brought on, will be starting at the GS-07 level. Everyone else in here looks like they will be starting at the GS-09 and better. I just wanted to say that it is a very humbling to know that I am in very smart company. I hope they have room for me among all of you intelligent and experienced folks.
Sincerely yours,
BT
diablo3305
07-11-2005, 06:48
I have been posting for some time now and I thought I would chime in on the latest posts.
Anyone worried about their qualifications should not be worried after reading this post. I have a B.S. in Secondary Education in History and Geography and I am certified to teach middle/high school in the Great Lakes State. I have no military experience, no language, no masters and no Ph D (obviously). So if you were worried about your skills before you should feel pretty good now. I am the longshot. :cool:
My current status is as follows:
June 05-Interview
June 05-CO by phone
June 05-Written CO received
July 05-PPP scheduled...
I am starting to think I am the only one, that if brought on, will be starting at the GS-07 level. Everyone else in here looks like they will be starting at the GS-09 and better. I just wanted to say that it is a very humbling to know that I am in very smart company. I hope they have room for me among all of you intelligent and experienced folks.
Sincerely yours,
BT
I will be starting at GS-07. I haven't completed my masters yet, something which I might do slowly after I get on board.
electra1978
07-11-2005, 08:15
I will be starting at GS-07. I haven't completed my masters yet, something which I might do slowly after I get on board.
Hey there. I just graduated with my masters in May, but I actually prefer to start at the GS-07 level just because this would be my first official IA position, and I want to make sure I don;t bite off more than I can chew.... Does that make sense??
diablo3305
07-11-2005, 08:33
Hey there. I just graduated with my masters in May, but I actually prefer to start at the GS-07 level just because this would be my first official IA position, and I want to make sure I don;t bite off more than I can chew.... Does that make sense??
not really. Why would you want to start at a lower pay grade when you qualify for a higher one?
waitingindc
07-11-2005, 09:00
Don't worry about the lack of operational experience. Mine is purely academic too, B.A. Asian Studies, M.A. National Security Studies finished last August.
I also wanted to chime in on the posts about getting BI's finished up before Aug or before Oct, I have been in background for almost 4 months now, and as far as I am aware the last person to be contacted on my SF86 was over 6 weeks ago. Backgrounds take as long as they take. A deadline is not going to make them go any faster. The average background for the fbi is 4-6 months, with some taking up to a year. If you are counting on your clean background to get you to the bureau in less than this time frame, my advice is don't (which is what my AC has been telling me). Hope this doesn't rain on anyone's parade. I am just as frustrated as everyone else.
still...waitingindc
electra1978
07-11-2005, 09:02
not really. Why would you want to start at a lower pay grade when you qualify for a higher one?
After reading the requirements for the GS-09 level, I realized I didn't have the specific IA-related experience they were asking for even though I definitely qualify for a higher grade having my masters. I still applied for both, but I've advanced to "best qualified" at the GS-7 level while I'm "referred" at the 9.
This would be my first federal job so I'm trying to familiarize myself with the whole system..
waitingindc
07-11-2005, 09:05
For what it is worth, I told both my panel interviewers and the person doing my PSI that I had just started a job and that I could not go forward with accepting a position with the bureau unless they guarenteed me that my new supervisors (and I mean new, less than a week) would be contacted last in my BI (which I expected to be 6 months down the road). So what happened, two weeks later one of my bosses comes up to me and says, "so I hear you are trying to get a job with the fbi." I am damn lucky that he was reasonable about the whole thing, I told him that I started the process with the bureau before I was even offered the new job and that I was just going to go ahead with it in case my new job wasn't exactly what I wanted to be doing...
diablo3305
07-11-2005, 09:08
After reading the requirements for the GS-09 level, I realized I didn't have the specific IA-related experience they were asking for even though I definitely qualify for a higher grade having my masters. I still applied for both, but I've advanced at the GS-7 level while I'm referred at the 9.
hmm, thats true. Its worth a shot, because with your degree, you just might qualify at the higher pay scale. Either way, best of luck to you.
electra1978
07-11-2005, 09:21
For what it is worth, I told both my panel interviewers and the person doing my PSI that I had just started a job and that I could not go forward with accepting a position with the bureau unless they guarenteed me that my new supervisors (and I mean new, less than a week) would be contacted last in my BI (which I expected to be 6 months down the road). So what happened, two weeks later one of my bosses comes up to me and says, "so I hear you are trying to get a job with the fbi." I am damn lucky that he was reasonable about the whole thing, I told him that I started the process with the bureau before I was even offered the new job and that I was just going to go ahead with it in case my new job wasn't exactly what I wanted to be doing...
Wow. That's great that your boss was so understanding. I actually told my boss when I interviewed for my current position that I was applying for a position with the FBI and he was very supportive about it. Of course, he keeps mixing the FBI up with the CIA and has been telling the other execs that I'm applying to work for "The Agency" but at least they know what my plans are.
atxtallguy
07-11-2005, 09:59
After reading the requirements for the GS-09 level, I realized I didn't have the specific IA-related experience they were asking for even though I definitely qualify for a higher grade having my masters. I still applied for both, but I've advanced to "best qualified" at the GS-7 level while I'm "referred" at the 9.
This would be my first federal job so I'm trying to familiarize myself with the whole system..
Electra1978, you will be considered new and if you get the GS-09 that would great! You may not feel that you qualify, but if they do even better!! I felt I qualified for at least the GS-11 and maybe the GS-12, but they only offered me the GS-09. What is funny my profile shows the following on quickhire:
GS-07 - Best qualified
GS-09 - Best qualified
GS-11 - Refered to the Selected Official
GS-12 - Refered to the Selected Official
GS-13 - Best Qualified
strange huh? :eek:
electra1978
07-11-2005, 10:44
Electra1978, you will be considered new and if you get the GS-09 that would great! You may not feel that you qualify, but if they do even better!! I felt I qualified for at least the GS-11 and maybe the GS-12, but they only offered me the GS-09. What is funny my profile shows the following on quickhire:
GS-07 - Best qualified
GS-09 - Best qualified
GS-11 - Refered to the Selected Official
GS-12 - Refered to the Selected Official
GS-13 - Best Qualified
strange huh? :eek:
Hey there! At this point, I am thrilled to be even considered for the GS7 position given the competition out there. They've got it easy with me because I'd pretty much take anything they offer...
Atxtallguy, what has your timeline been? When did you apply, get the call for an interview, etc.?
atxtallguy
07-11-2005, 10:56
Electra1978, my timeline has been pretty much long and drawn out like everyone else.
I applied the first day the new IA slot was opened up, which was Feb/March time frame
5/20 Had interview
6/05 BI has started
I'll have my poly on 7/12
Some SA spoke with some of my neighbors this weekend, so things seem to be moving along fairly quickly.
I'm excited and nervous at the same time. I really want to know where they want to send me. I want to start planning.
Jedburgh
07-11-2005, 11:04
I applied the first day the new IA slot was opened up, which was Feb/March time frame
5/20 Had interview
6/05 BI has started
I'll have my poly on 7/12
Some SA spoke with some of my neighbors this weekend, so things seem to be moving along fairly quickly.
I'm excited and nervous at the same time. I really want to know where they want to send me. I want to start planning.
Congrats!
I'm curious about the length of time it will take for your BI. As a former 96B, I know you had a TS at the time. How long ago did you get out? I'm just wondering about the length of time it'll take'em to finish the BI for someone who's already held a TS.
atxtallguy
07-11-2005, 11:12
Congrats!
I'm curious about the length of time it will take for your BI. As a former 96B, I know you had a TS at the time. How long ago did you get out? I'm just wondering about the length of time it'll take'em to finish the BI for someone who's already held a TS.
Thanks Jedburgh!
I'm curious about that too. Yes you are correct, I had a TS. I got out in '97, so it's been awhile, but I've been in the same city since that time. Nice to meet a fellow 96B, when did you serve?
Jedburgh
07-11-2005, 11:28
Thanks Jedburgh!
I'm curious about that too. Yes you are correct, I had a TS. I got out in '97, so it's been awhile, but I've been in the same city since that time. Nice to meet a fellow 96B, when did you serve?
Sorry, I meant you being a former 96B. I'm a 97E, but I had the opportunity to go through the 96B course in '91 as cross-training while keeping my primary MOS. I was assigned to 3rd SF at the time, and most of us in the MI Det were cross-trained in that manner. The MI Det had a HUMINT advisor position for a 97E in the all-source section, which justified the training. That cross-training significantly affected much of the rest of my career as I've worked both analysis and collection over the years. I enlisted in May '84 - but I'm still in. Right now I'm on terminal leave, and will be officially out at the end of August. Having closely followed IC reform since 9/11, the Bureau IA position at this time looks like a great opportunity.
atxtallguy
07-11-2005, 11:38
Sorry, I meant you being a former 96B. I'm a 97E, but I had the opportunity to go through the 96B course in '91 as cross-training while keeping my primary MOS. I was assigned to 3rd SF at the time, and most of us in the MI Det were cross-trained in that manner. The MI Det had a HUMINT advisor position for a 97E in the all-source section, which justified the training. That cross-training significantly affected much of the rest of my career as I've worked both analysis and collection over the years. I enlisted in May '84 - but I'm still in. Right now I'm on terminal leave, and will be officially out at the end of August. Having closely followed IC reform since 9/11, the Bureau IA position at this time looks like a great opportunity.
Wow, sounds pretty good. That will be good to have your retirement and work with the FBI at the same time. Not bad, not bad at all. If you mind me asking, what GS level did they offer you? Obviously you have plenty of experience in the MI field. Did you get the chance to complete any formal education while serving? I know it's not easy. When I was at Ft. Hood, we were deployed all the time, so going to school was pretty much impossible. I started hitting the books pretty much when I got out. The GI Bill has been the best investment I've ever made. $1,200 to put in and have no student loans right now is awesome!
Jedburgh
07-11-2005, 11:52
Wow, sounds pretty good. That will be good to have your retirement and work with the FBI at the same time. Not bad, not bad at all. If you mind me asking, what GS level did they offer you? Obviously you have plenty of experience in the MI field. Did you get the chance to complete any formal education while serving? I know it's not easy. When I was at Ft. Hood, we were deployed all the time, so going to school was pretty much impossible. I started hitting the books pretty much when I got out. The GI Bill has been the best investment I've ever made. $1,200 to put in and have no student loans right now is awesome!
As of last month, its GS-12 "Best Qualified". My interview is tomorrow. I had extremely limited time to go to civilian school, although I did get plenty of opportunities for REDTRAIN and other short MOS or specific-assignment related courses while I was in.
Whew, Hood. Never been there. I spent almost all my stateside time working out of Ft. Bragg.
atxtallguy
07-11-2005, 15:03
As of last month, its GS-12 "Best Qualified". My interview is tomorrow. I had extremely limited time to go to civilian school, although I did get plenty of opportunities for REDTRAIN and other short MOS or specific-assignment related courses while I was in.
Whew, Hood. Never been there. I spent almost all my stateside time working out of Ft. Bragg.
Good luck with the interview!
I never made it to Bragg, but I spent a lot of time in the back woods of Ft. Hood.
My status never changed until after my interview. It's odd how your status shows "Best Qualified" already, but maybe that is a good thing!
Joeytlc1
07-11-2005, 16:21
Hi all,
I was just wondering, is everyone whose status has changed to "Best Qualified" been receiving conditional offer letters?
Is the conditional offer letter going out to everyone?
What is the conditional offer letter stating?
I have completed: Poly, PSI, drug test, and fingerprinting as well as the background information~started whole process August 2004~still waiting, but have not heard anything besides getting upgraded to "Best Qualified" on the website.
Thanks in advance.
atxtallguy
07-11-2005, 16:30
Joeytlc1,
Sounds like you are almost complete, but not sure what the hold up is.
I never received a hard copy of a CO. I read of others getting one, but I never did. I was given a CO over the phone and that is pretty much all I've heard from anyone.
achefswife
07-11-2005, 17:55
Hi all,
I was just wondering, is everyone whose status has changed to "Best Qualified" been receiving conditional offer letters?
Is the conditional offer letter going out to everyone?
What is the conditional offer letter stating?
I have completed: Poly, PSI, drug test, and fingerprinting as well as the background information~started whole process August 2004~still waiting, but have not heard anything besides getting upgraded to "Best Qualified" on the website.
Thanks in advance.
Are you saying that you have done all of this and still don't have any type of CO yet???
atlantapeaches
07-11-2005, 18:37
Hi all,
I was just wondering, is everyone whose status has changed to "Best Qualified" been receiving conditional offer letters?
Is the conditional offer letter going out to everyone?
What is the conditional offer letter stating?
I have completed: Poly, PSI, drug test, and fingerprinting as well as the background information~started whole process August 2004~still waiting, but have not heard anything besides getting upgraded to "Best Qualified" on the website.
Thanks in advance.
timeline:
02/2005 - applied
04/2005- status changed to referred to selecting official
05/2005- interview
06/2005- status changed to "Best Qualified"
today- no conditional offer or anything ;)
Chimaera32
07-11-2005, 18:47
IN response to achefswife's question regarding no conditional offer:
I'm through everything except adjudication (work & personael references checks months ago) 3p's...nobody has ever said "here is a c/o for position X at HQ or FO" ( through some calling I found out very recently it was HQ.
I just appear when called in and bring all my documents.
Chimaera32
07-11-2005, 18:48
Others such as BuMan had some earlier posts on this very topic-my search function is not working just now, however, but this info is there.
GG
Ellington
07-11-2005, 20:19
Hell-o Everyone,
I finally got the call (representative message left with my sister) and e-mail from the FO scheduling me for a polygraph and PSI. I am scheduled for July 18th. However, I made prior arrangements for all of next week, and may be bold and ask the FO to reschedule. The e-mail that I received stated that the FBI has deadlines, and I am a bit skeptical to whether or not they would reschedule. But, it doesn’t hurt to ask.
Joeytlc1
07-11-2005, 20:21
Yes AcefsWife all that and no CO letter.
Thank you Grad Guy for your advice! I will definitely take another run through of the forum.
Would you suggest that I give another call to my FO nearest me or just do the professional thing and sit tight? Yes I did call headquarters and left a message on the voicemail of the number listed on the job announcement, but no return calls.
Any addl advice will be great!
Thanks everyone.
Joeytlc1
07-11-2005, 20:30
Congrats Ellington I am very happy for you!!! :bounce: You will do fine. It won't hurt to just ask to see if they can reschedule this for you, but it just might delay things for you even further, you don't want that, now that you have gotten this far already. Can you postpone the other prior arrangements? If not, then go ahead and give them a call, its worth a shot.
Best of luck to you in the poly and PSI. :t- up:
Ellington
07-12-2005, 08:22
Congrats Ellington I am very happy for you!!! :bounce: You will do fine. It won't hurt to just ask to see if they can reschedule this for you, but it just might delay things for you even further, you don't want that, now that you have gotten this far already. Can you postpone the other prior arrangements? If not, then go ahead and give them a call, its worth a shot.
Best of luck to you in the poly and PSI. :t- up:
Hell-o,
If I was notified earlier of the PSI and the Poly that would have been great. But, as of today, I can't postpone my prior arrangements.
From the e-mail, the PSI and Poly will be an "all day" affair. My PSI is scheduled for 9 AM and the Poly for 1:30 PM. I am hoping that my request to reschedule for July 25th is honored. But as you said, "its worth a shot."
historymystery
07-12-2005, 09:42
Greetings all,
After lurking for some time and searching the board I haven’t seen the answer to this particular issue. Here it is- When filling out the SF 86 the form itself advises to complete the required information going back 7 years, however, the web page message from the FBI security manager states that they want the information going back to when the applicant was 18. The security manager message explains the additional info is needed because the FBI is stricter in its requirements.
I am in my early 40’s and have had a clearance since I was 18 through the DOD, meaning there is on file at CCF all my addresses, jobs, etc… My take on the security manager’s message is that if this was my first clearance application I would need to cover my entire adult life versus the last 7 years other agencies might require for a first time applicant. (This question isn’t meant to rehash whether the FBI accepts other agencies clearances; I understand from what I have read that a BI is in order)
Has anyone else in process dealt with this?
tks
Dear TKS,
My understanding is that the policy of going back to 18 yrs. of age has nothing to do with the FBI, but is rather the policy for TS/SCI clearances in general.
Yours,
Travis
waitingindc
07-12-2005, 12:53
Greetings all,
After lurking for some time and searching the board I haven’t seen the answer to this particular issue. Here it is- When filling out the SF 86 the form itself advises to complete the required information going back 7 years, however, the web page message from the FBI security manager states that they want the information going back to when the applicant was 18. The security manager message explains the additional info is needed because the FBI is stricter in its requirements.
I am in my early 40’s and have had a clearance since I was 18 through the DOD, meaning there is on file at CCF all my addresses, jobs, etc… My take on the security manager’s message is that if this was my first clearance application I would need to cover my entire adult life versus the last 7 years other agencies might require for a first time applicant. (This question isn’t meant to rehash whether the FBI accepts other agencies clearances; I understand from what I have read that a BI is in order)
Has anyone else in process dealt with this?
tks
What I was told during my panel interview about filling out the SF-86 was that you go back ten years (as opposed to what the form says, which is generic and is used by some two dozen agencies in the fed. govt.) or to your 18th birthday, whichever is sooner. In my case, I am 27 and only had to go back to my 18th birthday on the forms, but got called later about a job I had when I was 17. So I would stick to the ten year mark as policy.
I have asked this question before but either cannot remember the answer or didn't get one: How long does adjudication usually take? Weeks? Months? I'm well aware of the push to hire IAs ASAP and I trust the FBI's system for doing so. But--and I know I am not alone in this regard!--my family and I need to start making some concrete plans (e.g., place to live, schools). I am just about three months into my background, and have been in adjudication for nearly two weeks. I know everyone's case is different, but is there a standard or typical timeframe for adjudications?
Thanks!
Yours,
Travis
bad_timing
07-12-2005, 14:21
;) ...seriously, I think adjudication is the million dollar question that everyone would like to know the answer to. Unfortunately, it is different for everyone but for CRYING OUT LOUD we need to start posting some success stories in here!!! Everyone is so darn paranoid (me included). Out of the 880 I/A's that the bureau needs this year, it doesn't seem like they've hired any. ;)
waitingindc
07-12-2005, 15:35
I have asked this question before but either cannot remember the answer or didn't get one: How long does adjudication usually take? Weeks? Months? I'm well aware of the push to hire IAs ASAP and I trust the FBI's system for doing so. But--and I know I am not alone in this regard!--my family and I need to start making some concrete plans (e.g., place to live, schools). I am just about three months into my background, and have been in adjudication for nearly two weeks. I know everyone's case is different, but is there a standard or typical timeframe for adjudications?
Thanks!
Yours,
Travis
Did they actually call you to tell you that you are in adjudication? All my AC keeps telling me is that I am listed as pending...
mugrad04
07-12-2005, 15:46
IN response to achefswife's question regarding no conditional offer:
I'm through everything except adjudication (work & personael references checks months ago) 3p's...nobody has ever said "here is a c/o for position X at HQ or FO" ( through some calling I found out very recently it was HQ.
I just appear when called in and bring all my documents.
I have a question about the CO's too. When I received the phone call about passing the interview and moving to the next step they never mentioned a CO but when I went in for my polygraph, fingerprinting and PSI, my HR person was very surprised that I had no idea that I had received a CO. Are we supposed to receive those in writing? She verbally told me what it said but couldn't show it to me. Should I call my contact and ask for the CO?
darkstar
07-12-2005, 16:29
Greetings all,
After lurking for some time and searching the board I haven’t seen the answer to this particular issue. Here it is- When filling out the SF 86 the form itself advises to complete the required information going back 7 years, however, the web page message from the FBI security manager states that they want the information going back to when the applicant was 18. The security manager message explains the additional info is needed because the FBI is stricter in its requirements.
I am in my early 40’s and have had a clearance since I was 18 through the DOD, meaning there is on file at CCF all my addresses, jobs, etc… My take on the security manager’s message is that if this was my first clearance application I would need to cover my entire adult life versus the last 7 years other agencies might require for a first time applicant. (This question isn’t meant to rehash whether the FBI accepts other agencies clearances; I understand from what I have read that a BI is in order)
Has anyone else in process dealt with this?
tks
i was told specifically by the HR person i spoke w/ to ignore the instructions on the form and list all info back to age 18... if i were in your shoes i think that's what i'd do... better to err on the side of caution... this process takes long enough the way it is...
darkstar
07-12-2005, 16:32
finally got my first written correspondence from the B... only reporting instructions for the interview but it's a start... i know i've asked this before but i haven't rec'd a response so i'll ask again... anyone out there who's passed the interview have any tips to offer? any input would be greately appreciated... thanks...
atlantapeaches
07-12-2005, 17:34
Congratulations on the interview!!! The only advice I can give is to be truthful to the points you stressed on your initial application. The interviewers want to make sure that your application and you are one of the same. If you fudged anything on your application, they will figure it out and everything you said you did make sure you have proof to back it up.
:hustle: In the words of the our wonderful Jamie Foxx in "Ray"..Make it do what it do...
achefswife
07-12-2005, 17:46
Congratulations on the interview!!! The only advice I can give is to be truthful to the points you stressed on your initial application. The interviewers want to make sure that your application and you are one of the same. If you fudged anything on your application, they will figure it out and everything you said you did make sure you have proof to back it up.
:hustle: In the words of the our wonderful Jamie Foxx in "Ray"..Make it do what it do...
I don't even think the panel that interviewed me had my app in the room with them. They seemed clueless about my background.
atlantapeaches
07-12-2005, 18:16
They should have been confirming your application....the deadlines was so short on getting those people that quickhire stated were qualified interviewed, they may not have pre read your packet. But they should have been familiar with your quickhire results.
Ellington
07-12-2005, 18:19
My BI has started as of 7/11, and since my submission of my SF-86 form on May 31st, somethings have changed. Would I need to notify the FBI and update my SF-86 for the following reasons?
1) A person listed on my SF-86 to verify my current address has her phone cut off.
2) As of June 27th, I am in a 3-week teacher-training program, in which I will receive a stipend at the end of the program. As of today, I was fingerprinted for FL Dept. of Ed., and my results will be sent to the Sheriff and FBI.
If I need to update this information on my SF-86, would I need to call the FO and ask to whom will I submit this data too?
CPD-Dispatcher
07-12-2005, 18:56
Well as we know this thread has now grown to over 200 posts. Thus lets start a new thread as this one is now closed
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