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If an officer issues you a traffic ticket that the judge dismisses, will a black mark go on the officer’s record?:bounce:
pintsizedpi
08-24-2001, 19:38
NO, a black mark will not go on the officers record.
Why would it. Our job is to get the offender to court not to find guilt or innocence. I have had rock solid traffic cases were the judge felt like giving the individual another chance. It is not my fault that the judge decides to rule in favor of the defendant.
Ranger337
08-25-2001, 20:32
No. If a judge dismisses your ticket itis just like it never existed.
Ranger337
Not quite like it never existed!! There will still be a court record, stating the charge, etc. and the disposition of the case.
DelC
If you are driving and one of your passengers flips off the officer, and the officer does a fast u-turn and gets road-rage almost hitting you, pulls you over and tells you to step out of the car, and that they are deciding on giving you a ticket based on how they act in the car. When you didn’t do what the officer wrote you a ticket for. In court the officer lies to the judge telling him that it was amended and that something was sent to you then changes his story and says that it was amended that night.
Does this mean that the driver’s court record is tarnished for the officer’s revenge?
If so how would the driver have that cleared?
Will there be a record of what the officer said to the judge court?
TrueBlue
09-05-2001, 16:58
It shouldn't show up. While visiting my family in NY I had the misfortune of driving in NYC and recieveing three tickets totaling over $600.00. I was stopped in a road block and was cited for no tag on vehicle, no registration and no immision control sticker. I had just purchased my vehicle and i live in GA. I gave the officer my GA driver's license and explained to him that I was just visting and that I still lived in GA. I also told him that I was an officer and that in my home state there is no immisions control sticker, and being an out of state resident I was not required to obtain an NY tag or register my vehicle in NY.
He was having none of that and wrote me up. I brought copies of GA codes and pled my case in court. I won my case and all charges were dismissed. Because I am an officer my driving record is run yearly and it has never showed up.
Flatfoot003
09-05-2001, 19:53
Damm TrueBlue :acop: ,
Sounds like you ran into a real NYPD knucklehead........I grew up in "the city" and my uncle did 22 years with them. I can tell you from experience a cop writing another cop is not the norm up there. At least it wasn't 15 years ago. I'm a cop in NC now and I would never consider writing a brother officer for such BS traffic charges, espicaly since he wasn't in the right to write them up in the first place(you being from GA and all). Anyway sorry for getting off the topic, but, I had to address your post. I just don't understand the logic some LEO's have in hooking each other up on charges we give the avarage joe a break on every day. :mad:
i'm shocked, even when you need numbers, banging another cop is out of line, esp when the laws don't apply because you are out of state. did the cop seem like a rookie or just a jerk?
I think the NY cop was just a moron instead of a jerk (Nah, he was a jerk too!). TrueBlue I'm assuming that you had a temporary or "In-Transit" tag on the vehicle or at least the bill of sale for the vehicle. For example, In Kansas we are not required to carry registration papers in our vehicles (Passenger cars- trucks are different). We simply check the tag status through the state computer system. If I were to get stopped in NY and didn't have the registration paperwork, would I get a ticket too? I have been told that according to the Interstate Compact agreements, we can only hold out of state visitors to what their home state requires (tags and licensing requirements I mean- of course traffic laws are different).
i havea question about the drivers record. if you get a ticket for speeding and goto to court and plead it down to passing a stop sign is there anything on your record to indicate it was a speeding ticket???
Thanks
TrueBlue
09-06-2001, 17:38
That NYC cop was a total @ss! He didn't appear to be rookie and he even gathered up a few cops at the road block and had a big laugh about it! The whole time all I could do was stand at the rear of my vehicle watching them have a "good old time". I think he wrote me just because I was an out-of-stater. I was so glad I won all three cases and had them dropped. They have never showed up on my driver's history, thank god! I couldn't imagine trying to explain that one to my department or during a hiring process.
That's just the begining! I alos got a double parking ticket, while seated in my vehicle and the vehicle was in drive, but that's another story!
For a long time I had a deep resentment towards NYC cops and I even had the opportuinity to write one a while back, but I just couldn't bring my self to write another cop! I guess that's why I'm TrueBlue :acop:
RoscoeRuhl
09-07-2001, 05:12
It doesn't sound like it was a very good visit to the Big Apple! Under the circumstances written, with no tag, registration etc it sounds like any justified traffic stop! Did you use your official identification to introduce yourself as an officer? The state of NY, like many others has requirements for vehicle operation. Without proper papers, how's the officer to know the vehicle is legit? I'm not making any excuses for the actions of an officer and I'm sure that each of us out here has a small degree of pleasure in writing citations, expecially those that involve folks who aren't cooperative. Because you brought documentation to court, the citations were disposed of. Though there's an inconvenience, not much harm was done. Don't assume that all the officers in NY are anything less than what we would all hope officers to be. Every agency has someone that's lacking in the people skills. The best way to prevent an unpleasant experience is to ensure you have the right paperwork. It's a good thing there wasn't a weapon discovered in the process. NY isn't one of those gun happy places to be and the penalties are strict!
Have a great day!
No, if you are convicted of running a stop sign, that's what will show on your driving record.
I can't imagine them changing a speed ticket to a completely different violation unless you were speeding and ran a stop sign, and they originally only wrote you for the speed. Then I could understand.
We usually reduce the speed by a few mph, or down to 5 mph over (no points then), or to failing to drive vehicle at a safe speed, or sometimes to an ambiguos section called Obedience to Traffic Control Devices, which could be any traffic control device.
Originally posted by dan707
i havea question about the drivers record. if you get a ticket for speeding and goto to court and plead it down to passing a stop sign is there anything on your record to indicate it was a speeding ticket???
Thanks
Trueblue,
A little heat from your local FOP lodge on the issuing officer's FOP lodge may have been in order there. If nothing else, it may have shown others what an idiot he was.
Tiger,
If the "finger" situation you explained was actual and not hypothetical (because I'm not sure) and you are an applicant for a law enforcement position, let me give you a bit of advice.
People who, for whatever reason, feel the need to flip the bird to other motorists, are the kinds of people that you need to cut ties with right now. It's juvenile behavior that denotes a serious lack of maturity, and it demeans the "flipper" as much as the "flippee."
No, it's not a HUGE deal, since we see it every day in society, but as a LE officer, you will basically be expected to be "above" this sort of thing, not to mention this level of behavior.
Of course, people who flip off a cop (!) are just blindingly stupid and probably should be spanked and sent to bed without supper by their parents, as any average 10-year-old (because that's probably about the age/mental maturity level we're talking about, here).
There's no room in LE for people who engage in this type of behavior, so if I were applying for a job, I'd keep negative influences like this (aka idiots) as far away from myself as possible - not because giving the finger is equivalent to a serious crime, but because someone with this obvious lack of maturity may be able to get you in even more trouble by doing something else.
Regardless of how out-of-line the cop's actions may be, I'd feel like a moron having to explain what started this whole situation to a BI.
Just a thought
k
bravo i did get a speeding tickect and pled not guilty went to court and the ADA knocked it right down to disobeying a traffic control device.
Thanks
Trueblue: What part of the city were you in when you got tagged?Do you remember what Precinct the officer was from?
Dan,
Was this in Pennsylvania? If so, where did you get the ticket? I ask b/c you said the ADA let you plead to Obedience, so you must have been in a county with central court. As a general rule, the DA's office doesn't get involved in traffic cases, and it would be the discretion of the officer to plead you to a lesser charge.
Originally posted by dan707
bravo i did get a speeding tickect and pled not guilty went to court and the ADA knocked it right down to disobeying a traffic control device.
Thanks
bravo8 it was in upstate NY and from what i understand in NY a speeding fine goes to the state and any other violation goes to the town. So when you plead not guilty and go to court they want to get your money cause they are all small little towns and every dollar counts. In my case i didnt even have to talk to the ADA he made me an offer and I accepted it. The trooper wasnt even there!!!
Krellum,
There are laws against putting your hands on someone, so I wouldn’t spank anyone, for flipping off a cop or anyone else. I’m not an applicant for a law enforcement position, but its good advice for all, and I appreciate it.
Thank you, and stay safe :)
As far as the NYC cop is concerned, talk about nothing else to do. I don't know any that bend the rules for another officer. Second, the way it was written I think that cop needs a transfer, let him experience some real police work instead of hassling other cops for stretch violations. Or, maybe he just like to look like a chump in court, who knows.
Finally, people who flip cops or anyone the bird are nothing but a bunch of P**ssies. Excuse my language, but by doing that it just shows you are not man enough to state your feelings verbally. It almost like a hit and run.
tpcop007
10-28-2001, 02:08
a friend of mine is a NYC cop and he said he would NEVER write another cop a ticket...............he said he wouldnt even write someone who said their uncle's brother's mother's grandmother's cousin is a cop.....and I know I am the same.........it's called professional courtesy!!!!!!!! U never know when you might need that fellow brother or sister to help you out...be safe
tpcop007
10-28-2001, 02:13
Finally, people who flip cops or anyone the bird are nothing but a bunch of P**ssies. Excuse my language, but by doing that it just shows you are not man enough to state your feelings verbally. It almost like a hit and run.
I had someone give me the finger once while I was directing traffic. He was making a right turn and yelled out "8sshole" while flipping me the bird. Well I pulled him over and wrote a ticket for improper hand signals during a right turn. I drew a picture on the back of the citation of the proper hand signal for a right turn and the hand signal the guy gave me. Well needless to say he fought the ticket and the judge banged him with $100.00 fine from $78.00, 3 points, and 8 hours traffic school. :D
Flatfoot003
10-31-2001, 07:42
tpcop007,
Good lord man. The Judge did the right thing......Big time!!! It's nice to see that they support you guys like that down there.
Stay Safe and Watch You Six, FF003
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