Yet another FBI IA Thread

[BuMan]

Answers to your questions:

Ajudication: It takes varying amounts of time, as noted. One factor that may be messing with the process is the recent realignment of who does the ajudications - it used to be in the Administrative Services Division - now it's in the Security Division. Any reorg can cause a little bit of disruption at first, but once done, it will have both levels of review taking place at the same office and speed things up considerably. Be patient. Getting frustrated won't change a thing. And you may be through ajudication - your name is on a list waiting to be selected. I know I've got one name that's "ready to hire" waiting for me to review their application and see if I want them. DI doesn't have a lot of people and, given the choice between letting applications sit so they can update the website, or keeping them moving and worrying about the website later, I think everyone will agree that moving the apps is the most important part.

Hiring Rate: The number of people on this board applying to an IA job is relatively small compared to the total number of applicants. People are getting hired - the ACES class I'm current being subjected to has between 35-65% (wide range, I know) of people with less than 1 year in the Bureau, with at least one at three weeks, one at one month and one at a month and a half. There are probably more, but I haven't memorized everyone's stats. Just because people from the board aren't sounding off doesn't mean that people aren't getting hired.

Sorry for the curt tone. It was one of those days today.

[atxtallguy]

I can not remember your handle, but I cut and posted what you wrote.
"Yes AcefsWife all that and no CO letter.

Thank you Grad Guy for your advice! I will definitely take another run through of the forum.

Would you suggest that I give another call to my FO nearest me or just do the professional thing and sit tight? Yes I did call headquarters and left a message on the voicemail of the number listed on the job announcement, but no return calls.

Any addl advice will be great!

Thanks everyone."

I know you mentioned you started your process in August 04, not to bust your bubble but I hope your process did not fall off the map like mine did. I originally applied last summer, I got the call to submit my SF86 etc, after about two months went by and not hearing anything, I called the HR woman back to check on the status. She could not explain what happened or why my file was not moving forward. Talk about wanting to get ghetto and cuss somebody out!! :mad: Anyway after thinking about it, I came to the conclusion that the FBI had made their quota right before my paperwork arrived and they just did not process it any further. Was the posting you applied for one of the posting cancelled? I hope not!

[atxtallguy]

Answers to your questions:

Ajudication: It takes varying amounts of time, as noted. One factor that may be messing with the process is the recent realignment of who does the ajudications - it used to be in the Administrative Services Division - now it's in the Security Division. Any reorg can cause a little bit of disruption at first, but once done, it will have both levels of review taking place at the same office and speed things up considerably. Be patient. Getting frustrated won't change a thing. And you may be through ajudication - your name is on a list waiting to be selected. I know I've got one name that's "ready to hire" waiting for me to review their application and see if I want them. DI doesn't have a lot of people and, given the choice between letting applications sit so they can update the website, or keeping them moving and worrying about the website later, I think everyone will agree that moving the apps is the most important part.

Hiring Rate: The number of people on this board applying to an IA job is relatively small compared to the total number of applicants. People are getting hired - the ACES class I'm current being subjected to has between 35-65% (wide range, I know) of people with less than 1 year in the Bureau, with at least one at three weeks, one at one month and one at a month and a half. There are probably more, but I haven't memorized everyone's stats. Just because people from the board aren't sounding off doesn't mean that people aren't getting hired.

Sorry for the curt tone. It was one of those days today.

I know I have not been able to give praise where praise is due, but thanks for your advice/input, etc BuMan. I find it amazing you care to really help or have to time comment on all the issues that come up. Thanks a million!

My question to you is about the waiting list you speak about. Who put(s) the name in front of you to see if you want them? This person who is "ready to be hired" choose the location where you are at or the locations they selected had no slots so it defaults to your location for example.

[darkstar]

thanks for the advice, atlantapeaches... if it's just a matter of backing-up my qualifications as stated on the app then i don't expect any problems... i didn't embellish anything and, in many cases, was conservative (at least in my estimate) in detailing my accomplishments...

[atxtallguy]

thanks for the advice, atlantapeaches... if it's just a matter of backing-up my qualifications as stated on the app then i don't expect any problems... i didn't embellish anything and, in many cases, was conservative (at least in my estimate) in detailing my accomplishments...

I agree with what atlantapeaches said also. My interveiw expanded on what I listed as my qualifications by providing examples. They also had questions like any corp america job asks about. If the interview panel likes you, then they will recommend you for a certain GS level and the next steps follow.

[darkstar]

I agree with what atlantapeaches said also. My interveiw expanded on what I listed as my qualifications by providing examples. They also had questions like any corp america job asks about. If the interview panel likes you, then they will recommend you for a certain GS level and the next steps follow.

thanks for the input... any questions asked that were unexpected or unusual?

[BuMan]

I know I have not been able to give praise where praise is due, but thanks for your advice/input, etc BuMan. I find it amazing you care to really help or have to time comment on all the issues that come up. Thanks a million!

My question to you is about the waiting list you speak about. Who put(s) the name in front of you to see if you want them? This person who is "ready to be hired" choose the location where you are at or the locations they selected had no slots so it defaults to your location for example.

The DI gets a list of candidates who have put in for one of the announcements. Since I have some specialized requirements, they pull the ones that seem to meet my requirements and send them to me to review. When I get the candidates, they have passed through the entire process and are approved for hire. If I see what I need in the application, then someone (probably from DI) will call them, explain the location, the requirements of the job (which differs a little bit from the "standard" IA jobs), probably give them something to sign indicating that they understand and agree to the requirements. Then it's up to the candidate to decide whether they're willing to take the location and the requirements, and then work out a start date. Basically, the same thing happens across the board, as far as I know. Usually, it's done with multiple divisions meeting with the folks from DI to go over the list, the applications, etc. Where possible, they try to match the desires of the person, but if there aren't any vacancies in that office, they can end up somewhere else. That's one reason they are working on a new transfer policy - to give those of you who don't end up where you want a little bit of hope that you might get back to where you wanted to be if there's an opening at some point in the future. Without having to completely reapply for the job. This would be for non-supervisory IA jobs, though. The SIA jobs would have to be competitive.

[GTgrad02]

Yikes, sometimes I liken this waiting game to the 2nd coming of JC... just when we get complacent and lose focus, it'll come like a thief in the night! And it might take just as long to get hired (1000's of yrs)!

BuMan, I have a ? for you. I have a fairly simple BI, I think. But I do have some intl activities. I worked for the State of GA in Brussels, and my only contacts are there, and I was in China for a while... thankflly my POC for that is a professor located in the US. Do you think this will significantly hamper my BI, or make it take a lot longer to complete?

Wish me luck, I take my language test tomorrow in Spanish...
I sure hope they catch those $#% bombers in London... there is some consolation that they may have killed themselves in the process. I can't wait to make a big hole in THEIR operation.
:shoot2: :shoot1: :bazooka: :burnt: :rambo: :destroy: :biggun2:

[Choicesix]

BuMan

I called my AC but she was out of the office--vacation. She left numbers for several of her coworkers. I called the first one and explained my situation. In short: Quickhire status not changed since Feb 05 when I applied; BI and adjudication completed at end of April; AC talked about 3 start dates that busted. She took my name and number and called me back 45 minutes later. She said she found my file, but there was no indication that it had made it to DI yet. She said she was sending it and that I should hear something in about a week.

Does this sound normal? I realize the process is different for everyone and the ACs have their own methods, but...I don't even know what to ask other than for a normality check.

This I am sure of: Thanks for answering our many questions. Someone else stated it today and I want to second the notion that your help is greatly appreciated. Hope all is well in your class.

Choicesix

[OrangeAlum2003]

As I posted earlier, I have an interview coming up this Thursday in the SF FO, though I am not necessarily interviewing for a position in that office. According to my letter that I received in the mail, the purpose of the interview is to measure my responses in my application against what I say in person to determine if my representations were accurate. I've been spending some time reviewing my application responses and trying to memorize examples for each answer I've given.

Does anyone have any further advice on the panel interview? I've heard from someone that it can be as long as 2 hours, though I hope mine doesn't drag on that long (Talk about sweaty hands). I saw some discussion earlier that one panel wasn't familiar with the specifics of the applicant's responses on QuickHire. I think I have to assume for preparation's sake that the panel will be intimately familiar with my application. Given the length of time since I finished grad school and the fact that I'm working in the private sector in an unrelated field, I kind of view this as my last chance to really initiate a career in the intelligence field, specifically with the Bureau. I know this is not entirely true, but the more time that lapses, the less relevant my graduate education becomes. I want to give it the best shot I have and we'll see what happens from there. The last thing I want to do is overlook something and lose an opportunity for which I may truly be qualified.

[Jedburgh]

Well, my interview today lasted 2 hours - although it didn't seem like it at the time.

The 3-person panel pretty much went over the questions on the application, but in more detail and in both straight question and scenario format. The entire interview was almost entirely based on reviewing my experience as an analyst and with intel in general. There were a couple of questions about education,but they were minor and offhand.

The questions were divided in two parts - general IA and those about my chosen area of specialization (counterterrorism). As someone else stated, they did not really seem familiar with the details of my application, and all they had in front of them was the list of questions with space to write in notes during the interview. Other than sticking to their set list of questions, it was a fairly informal process, with parts of the interview more like a friendly professional discussion of intel ops than a question-and-answer interview.

They also asked me to choose my top 3 preferred locations to be assigned.

They told me I would be contacted in a couple of weeks regarding the interview, and the poly etc. would probably be scheduled sometime next month. The lead interviewer said that the Bureau wanted complete the hires from this group of applicants by the beginning of FY 06.

[BuMan]

BuMan

I called my AC but she was out of the office--vacation. She left numbers for several of her coworkers. I called the first one and explained my situation. In short: Quickhire status not changed since Feb 05 when I applied; BI and adjudication completed at end of April; AC talked about 3 start dates that busted. She took my name and number and called me back 45 minutes later. She said she found my file, but there was no indication that it had made it to DI yet. She said she was sending it and that I should hear something in about a week.

Does this sound normal? I realize the process is different for everyone and the ACs have their own methods, but...I don't even know what to ask other than for a normality check.


Normal, no. Plausible, yes. The personnel hiring system for IAs now involves multiple entities - the Staffing Unit in ASD who handles the initial processing of the Quick Hire, the DI which handles interviews, and the Security Division, which handles backgrounds and ajudication. Lots of places for things to go wrong. Unfortunately, the problems seem to creep in at the front end of the process more often than not. For example, while talking to DI about candidates, they showed me someone's packet with a QuickHire coversheet on it and then said that Staffing didn't have a record of the person in QuickHire. Obviously, they did, since they had forwarded the packet with a coversheet on it to them for review, but their knowledge of how to use the new tools (I.e. QuickHire) is, in some cases at least, lacking.

I wish the FBI was perfect, but it isn't. The DI is doing their best to drive things, but it still has to rely on other divisions which sometimes seem a bit too complacent.

[eff-bee-eye]

Okay, just to be a stickler....as many times as "ajudication" has been mentioned in this thread, it is actually adjudication. :t- up:

[diablo3305]

The DI gets a list of candidates who have put in for one of the announcements. Since I have some specialized requirements, they pull the ones that seem to meet my requirements and send them to me to review. When I get the candidates, they have passed through the entire process and are approved for hire. If I see what I need in the application, then someone (probably from DI) will call them, explain the location, the requirements of the job (which differs a little bit from the "standard" IA jobs), probably give them something to sign indicating that they understand and agree to the requirements. Then it's up to the candidate to decide whether they're willing to take the location and the requirements, and then work out a start date. Basically, the same thing happens across the board, as far as I know. Usually, it's done with multiple divisions meeting with the folks from DI to go over the list, the applications, etc. Where possible, they try to match the desires of the person, but if there aren't any vacancies in that office, they can end up somewhere else. That's one reason they are working on a new transfer policy - to give those of you who don't end up where you want a little bit of hope that you might get back to where you wanted to be if there's an opening at some point in the future. Without having to completely reapply for the job. This would be for non-supervisory IA jobs, though. The SIA jobs would have to be competitive.


Just out of curiosity, when I received my CO, I was given a location and division that I would be working in. However according to what you say, it would seem like that could change? They told me I would be in DC, so is it possible that someone may pick my name off the list and they would send me somewhere else?

[darkstar]

Well, my interview today lasted 2 hours - although it didn't seem like it at the time.

The 3-person panel pretty much went over the questions on the application, but in more detail and in both straight question and scenario format. The entire interview was almost entirely based on reviewing my experience as an analyst and with intel in general. There were a couple of questions about education,but they were minor and offhand.

The questions were divided in two parts - general IA and those about my chosen area of specialization (counterterrorism). As someone else stated, they did not really seem familiar with the details of my application, and all they had in front of them was the list of questions with space to write in notes during the interview. Other than sticking to their set list of questions, it was a fairly informal process, with parts of the interview more like a friendly professional discussion of intel ops than a question-and-answer interview.

They also asked me to choose my top 3 preferred locations to be assigned.

They told me I would be contacted in a couple of weeks regarding the interview, and the poly etc. would probably be scheduled sometime next month. The lead interviewer said that the Bureau wanted complete the hires from this group of applicants by the beginning of FY 06.


sounds like you did pretty well... congrats... question, though... did they go over questions for all grades to which you applied or just for the one that you'll hire in to? if it's the latter, did they tell you before hand that your interview is to determine your qualifications for grade x? thanks for any info...

[atxtallguy]

thanks for the input... any questions asked that were unexpected or unusual?

Not really. They have their standard list they are reading off of and they pretty much stayed on track with their list. Just go in there and hold your head up high with the utmost confidence and you will do great!

[electra1978]

So I heard back from HQ regarding the difference between "best qualified" and "referred."

All this time I was thinking that "best qualified" was a higher status, but the person told me that if you are "referred," then you would be contacted for an interview...

Just an FYI in case anyone else was confused like I was...

[tdstolz]

Dear BuMan,

Thanks, as always, for the info. Patience is the lesson of the day. Three months ago today I flew out to DC for my interview and three Ps. I'm keeping my fingers crossed to hear the good news very soon!

Thanks again,
Travis

[electra1978]

Wow... ok... breathe... I FINALLY got the call after almost giving up hope!!! :bounce: :hustle:

[Joeytlc1]

atxtallguy:

Actually all my 2004 applications were cancelled except for 2, showing as Referred to Selection Official and Application Received.

Reapplied for all the 2005 positions: FO-2005-0022 (Best Qualified) and HQ-2005-0008 (Referred to Selection Official).

Filled out like yourself the SF86, called the FO located near me and left like 2 messages since I was advised by the individual doing the drug test and fingerprinting at that time in August 2004 that they wanted me by the 30th and needed all my work done before that.

Never heard anything after that, but I do know that I my workplace was visited and my neighbors and references on my application, because they told me so. Had to quit my job because management kept asking whatever happened to the FBI job, did it fall thru, and why are you posting for new positions if your going to work for the FBI? It was rough advancing and having to deal with the management since the FBI visit in August 2004.

On a brighter note, I am still unemployed, but finishing up on my MBA~will be graduating on Saturday July 16th to be exact, so I will have that under my belt when the FBI come calling to say, "Your Hired". Lets all hope that will be case someday.

Thank you atxtallguy.

[Joeytlc1]

Thank you very much for the update electra1978, that surely clears things up since I haven't spoken to a live person since 2004. I appreciate your assistance with this :)

[diablo3305]

Wow... ok... breathe... I FINALLY got the call after almost giving up hope!!! :bounce: :hustle:


the call is in final offer? congrats. I am still waiting for mine. Whats your timeline?

[atxtallguy]

Wow... ok... breathe... I FINALLY got the call after almost giving up hope!!! :bounce: :hustle:

Yeah HUGE congrats!! If it was the final offer, did they offer one of the locations you picked or did you get a choice? Give us more details please!

[atxtallguy]

atxtallguy:

Actually all my 2004 applications were cancelled except for 2, showing as Referred to Selection Official and Application Received.

Reapplied for all the 2005 positions: FO-2005-0022 (Best Qualified) and HQ-2005-0008 (Referred to Selection Official).

Filled out like yourself the SF86, called the FO located near me and left like 2 messages since I was advised by the individual doing the drug test and fingerprinting at that time in August 2004 that they wanted me by the 30th and needed all my work done before that.

Never heard anything after that, but I do know that I my workplace was visited and my neighbors and references on my application, because they told me so. Had to quit my job because management kept asking whatever happened to the FBI job, did it fall thru, and why are you posting for new positions if your going to work for the FBI? It was rough advancing and having to deal with the management since the FBI visit in August 2004.

On a brighter note, I am still unemployed, but finishing up on my MBA~will be graduating on Saturday July 16th to be exact, so I will have that under my belt when the FBI come calling to say, "Your Hired". Lets all hope that will be case someday.

Thank you atxtallguy.

Congrats on your upcoming graduation! Hang in there, things are moving! I guess slower of a pace than what we are used to. That is a damn shame your employer grilled you about apply for the job. My manager has been supportive and has no problem with it. :t- up:

[achefswife]

Once again my poly may be put off because my FO does not have copies of my SF86 form. They did not make copies before it was sent to HQ and are not awaiting HQ to fax them a copy of it. I should have made a copy of it myself, but I forgot. My FO contact person told me that if she does not have it by next Friday (the day of my poly) that I could just re-do it and bring in another. A mess!!!!

[electra1978]

Yeah HUGE congrats!! If it was the final offer, did they offer one of the locations you picked or did you get a choice? Give us more details please!

:o Oops! Actually, the call was just the initial call to interview that I've been waiting MONTHS for. Maybe I shouldn't be so thrilled... Sorry if I got everyone excited...

[atxtallguy]

:o Oops! Actually, the call was just the initial call to interview that I've been waiting MONTHS for. Maybe I shouldn't be so thrilled... Sorry if I got everyone excited...

Well that is exciting news too!! :eek: Just a little confusing on what the call was about.

I did my 3p's yesterday, not a big deal, but I'm excited! Not sure how much longer for everything else to complete, but the waiting game continues.

[electra1978]

Once again my poly may be put off because my FO does not have copies of my SF86 form. They did not make copies before it was sent to HQ and are not awaiting HQ to fax them a copy of it. I should have made a copy of it myself, but I forgot. My FO contact person told me that if she does not have it by next Friday (the day of my poly) that I could just re-do it and bring in another. A mess!!!!

Wow. That makes me want to make copies of everything I have to submit and keep my own file at home just in case. When do you have to submit the SF-86? After the interview, or is that something I should have ready by then?

[LAGGARD]

Once again my poly may be put off because my FO does not have copies of my SF86 form. They did not make copies before it was sent to HQ and are not awaiting HQ to fax them a copy of it. I should have made a copy of it myself, but I forgot. My FO contact person told me that if she does not have it by next Friday (the day of my poly) that I could just re-do it and bring in another. A mess!!!!

Sorry to hear. That form is a mess to re-do.

[diablo3305]

Wow. That makes me want to make copies of everything I have to submit and keep my own file at home just in case. When do you have to submit the SF-86? After the interview, or is that something I should have ready by then?


thats what you should do, its good practice and it helps in situations like this. I luckly didn't have to do the SF-86 for the FBI, I was able to compelete the FD-140 PDF file so I have it saved on my computer at home.

You almost certainly wouldn't complete it before the interview, so sometime afterwards, either before or after your CO. I was requested to compelete it before my CO.

[achefswife]

Wow. That makes me want to make copies of everything I have to submit and keep my own file at home just in case. When do you have to submit the SF-86? After the interview, or is that something I should have ready by then?

You should get something telling you to bring it to the interview (completed) with you.

[achefswife]

thats what you should do, its good practice and it helps in situations like this. I luckly didn't have to do the SF-86 for the FBI, I was able to compelete the FD-140 PDF file so I have it saved on my computer at home.

You almost certainly wouldn't complete it before the interview, so sometime afterwards, either before or after your CO. I was requested to compelete it before my CO.

I had to bring my completed form to my interview. I just hope I can get in contact with the lady who called about my FD979 form and have her either fax me the completed forms or my field office.

[diablo3305]

I had to bring my completed form to my interview. I just hope I can get in contact with the lady who called about my FD979 form and have her either fax me the completed forms or my field office.


Yea, thats different than mine. I had my interview in october and I was sent the FD-140 to fill out in december, then given my CO in March.

[electra1978]

Well that is exciting news too!! :eek: Just a little confusing on what the call was about.

I did my 3p's yesterday, not a big deal, but I'm excited! Not sure how much longer for everything else to complete, but the waiting game continues.

Thanks, and getting the 3 p's done IS a big deal. Is that the end of the process of course pending the results of the BI?

[achefswife]

Thanks, and getting the 3 p's done IS a big deal. Is that the end of the process of course pending the results of the BI?

Everything depends on the BI. You do the 3P's usually in the midst of the BI.

[achefswife]

Yea, thats different than mine. I had my interview in october and I was sent the FD-140 to fill out in december, then given my CO in March.

I got my CO approx. 2 weeks after my interview. They probably used to wait to see how you background came back before giving you a CO, but now with hiring so many they give you the CO contingent upon BI coming back clear.

[atxtallguy]

Everything depends on the BI. You do the 3P's usually in the midst of the BI.

She is correct. There may be more asked of me, but it appears I'm just waiting for things to finish. I'm so anxious to find out when and where I'm going!! Lot's of planning needed!! Until then........... :D

[darkstar]

Not really. They have their standard list they are reading off of and they pretty much stayed on track with their list. Just go in there and hold your head up high with the utmost confidence and you will do great!

don't know why, but for some reason that was exactly what i needed to hear... thanks...

[darkstar]

Wow... ok... breathe... I FINALLY got the call after almost giving up hope!!! :bounce: :hustle:


Congrats!!!! see, it was only a matter of time... :)

[darkstar]

Wow. That makes me want to make copies of everything I have to submit and keep my own file at home just in case. When do you have to submit the SF-86? After the interview, or is that something I should have ready by then?

the HR person i spoke w/ actually told me to bring it w/ me to my interview... for what it's worth i'd take it w/ you just in case they ask for it... again, this process takes long enough the way it is... no sense in unnecessarily delaying it further...

[Jedburgh]

the HR person i spoke w/ actually told me to bring it w/ me to my interview... for what it's worth i'd take it w/ you just in case they ask for it... again, this process takes long enough the way it is... no sense in unnecessarily delaying it further...
When I received the phone call scheduling the interview, I was told to bring the SF-86 and the FD-979 with me. I received a letter providing the interview schedule and instructions to bring in the same forms. The lead interviewer took them at the end of the interview. It was all pretty straightforward.

I certainly recommend keeping a copy of the completed SF-86. If nothing else, you now have all that detailed information in one handy summary for future reference. And you will appreciate it in the future when you have to do your security update.

[electra1978]

the HR person i spoke w/ actually told me to bring it w/ me to my interview... for what it's worth i'd take it w/ you just in case they ask for it... again, this process takes long enough the way it is... no sense in unnecessarily delaying it further...

Thanks for the good advice as always!! I just printed it and wow, lots of pages to fill out. :) Better get crackin'

[darkstar]

Thanks for the good advice as always!! I just printed it and wow, lots of pages to fill out. :) Better get crackin'

that's no problem... yeah, it takes a while to complete... i still have a copy of mine from last year so it won't be that bad this time around (should have saved a digital copy... oh, well)... everyone's different of course, but just to give you an idea of what you're in for it took me about a week to get the last one done... i spent a lot of time waiting for friends and family to return phone calls...

btw, that reminds me... anyone here run in to the issue of previous employer who's no longer in business? if so, how much info did you provide about them? i worked for a place almost ten years ago that's no longer there... i can't find any contact info at all, and what i can remember is sparse at best... also several lapses in my military history (unit info is fine, chain of command is a little sketchy)..any suggestions?

[atxtallguy]

that's no problem... yeah, it takes a while to complete... i still have a copy of mine from last year so it won't be that bad this time around (should have saved a digital copy... oh, well)... everyone's different of course, but just to give you an idea of what you're in for it took me about a week to get the last one done... i spent a lot of time waiting for friends and family to return phone calls...

btw, that reminds me... anyone here run in to the issue of previous employer who's no longer in business? if so, how much info did you provide about them? i worked for a place almost ten years ago that's no longer there... i can't find any contact info at all, and what i can remember is sparse at best... also several lapses in my military history (unit info is fine, chain of command is a little sketchy)..any suggestions?

Hey bud, I'll give you a quick run down of what I did about your question. One of my past employers has been sold to a new company and changed names. They are in the same location which is still helful, but I just put my manager (who no longer works there) and let the Agent figure it out and/or track her down. I guess what I'm saying is put as much as you can and or know. How in the world were you suppose to keep tabs on what happened to the company, employess, etc.?

As far as my military history, I was told to put down the base and state/country I was at. If I lived in the barracks, I could put down barracks of XYZ base and any other info I might remember. I figure if they really need to speak to any of my past CO's or XO's they will have far better resources to track them down than I could help them with. If you remember the names, it won't hurt to add them.

I'm so ready to get back into the intel game. I feel like an old retired basketball player coming out of retirement! :acop:

[darkstar]

Hey bud, I'll give you a quick run down of what I did about your question. One of my past employers has been sold to a new company and changed names. They are in the same location which is still helful, but I just put my manager (who no longer works there) and let the Agent figure it out and/or track her down. I guess what I'm saying is put as much as you can and or know. How in the world were you suppose to keep tabs on what happened to the company, employess, etc.?

As far as my military history, I was told to put down the base and state/country I was at. If I lived in the barracks, I could put down barracks of XYZ base and any other info I might remember. I figure if they really need to speak to any of my past CO's or XO's they will have far better resources to track them down than I could help them with. If you remember the names, it won't hurt to add them.

I'm so ready to get back into the intel game. I feel like an old retired basketball player coming out of retirement! :acop:

thanks for the advice... i believe that's what i'll do... and it sounds like you're progressing well in the process... you'll be back in no time....

[darkstar]

Hey bud, I'll give you a quick run down of what I did about your question. One of my past employers has been sold to a new company and changed names. They are in the same location which is still helful, but I just put my manager (who no longer works there) and let the Agent figure it out and/or track her down. I guess what I'm saying is put as much as you can and or know. How in the world were you suppose to keep tabs on what happened to the company, employess, etc.?

As far as my military history, I was told to put down the base and state/country I was at. If I lived in the barracks, I could put down barracks of XYZ base and any other info I might remember. I figure if they really need to speak to any of my past CO's or XO's they will have far better resources to track them down than I could help them with. If you remember the names, it won't hurt to add them.

I'm so ready to get back into the intel game. I feel like an old retired basketball player coming out of retirement! :acop:


btw, wasn't your poly yesterday? how'd it go???

[electra1978]

I'm sure you will ace your interview tomorrow!! Tell us all about it!!!

[OrangeAlum2003]

I'm sure you will ace your interview tomorrow!! Tell us all about it!!!

Well, I'll try to take that same confidence into the room with me. I appreciate all of the support. Good luck to all those who recently had interviews scheduled as well. Look for my post tomorrow night. I'll pass along what I learn (unless I totally bomb the interview and have to mourn for a couple of days). Keeping my fingers crossed. :p

[atxtallguy]

btw, wasn't your poly yesterday? how'd it go???

I had the 3p's on 7/12. It went pretty good. The guy grilled me on a couple of things I mentioned on my app, but no big deal. I've never been on a poly before, so it was interesting. The finger printing is awesome. They use some sort of laser scanner. I've never seen one before! Then they load your print card into the printer and presto instant prints!

[diablo3305]

I had the 3p's on 7/12. It went pretty good. The guy grilled me on a couple of things I mentioned on my app, but no big deal. I've never been on a poly before, so it was interesting. The finger printing is awesome. They use some sort of laser scanner. I've never seen one before! Then they load your print card into the printer and presto instant prints!


haha, I got the ink. Damn was that messy. They told me they only use the scanner on criminals. It was my first poly too, but I have had another since then, now its no big deal.

[bad_timing]

Hopefully getting closer. Fingerprints and PSI done. My BI was started yesterday and I was supposed to do my poly but they had an emergency so they had to postpone it. ;) Will call to reschedule.

[electra1978]

I had the 3p's on 7/12. It went pretty good. The guy grilled me on a couple of things I mentioned on my app, but no big deal. I've never been on a poly before, so it was interesting. The finger printing is awesome. They use some sort of laser scanner. I've never seen one before! Then they load your print card into the printer and presto instant prints!

That would make me a little nervous only because the only polys I've seen were on TV and it was always a Nazi-esque person administering them... I hope that's not the case when I do mine... yikes

[electra1978]

I can't seem to connect with the person who called from my FO. I got a v-mail, called back on her direct line and left a v-mail with my preferred date to interview, but haven't heard back. Anyone else had the same experience? I don't want to keep calling and annoy her... Do you receive anything in writing confirming the interview date and time? Thanks.

[Jedburgh]

I can't seem to connect with the person who called from my FO. I got a v-mail, called back on her direct line and left a v-mail with my preferred date to interview, but haven't heard back. Anyone else had the same experience? I don't want to keep calling and annoy her... Do you receive anything in writing confirming the interview date and time? Thanks.
I received a letter two days after the phone call confirming the interview date and time, and reiterating instructions for bringing the SF-86 and FD-979.

[electra1978]

I received a letter two days after the phone call confirming the interview date and time, and reiterating instructions for bringing the SF-86 and FD-979.

Thanks!

[atxtallguy]

That would make me a little nervous only because the only polys I've seen were on TV and it was always a Nazi-esque person administering them... I hope that's not the case when I do mine... yikes

I thought the same thing before my appoint, but it's really not that bad. They hook up a couple of things to your fingers, some cables/wire around your chest and a blood pressure type device on your arm.

[systemsguy05]

I can't seem to connect with the person who called from my FO. I got a v-mail, called back on her direct line and left a v-mail with my preferred date to interview, but haven't heard back. Anyone else had the same experience? I don't want to keep calling and annoy her... Do you receive anything in writing confirming the interview date and time? Thanks.

I have been viewing the board re: the intel analyst position for a few weeks, and signed up to ask essentially the same question. I received "the call" (for an interview) while I was at work yesterday...my supervisor was next to me when I got the call, but knows the FBI is my dream so he was fortunately very excited for me.

I wanted to accept a time on the spot, but wanted to do right by my current position, so I asked if I could call back with a preferred date. I got the v-mail and left a message, but I'm hoping to confirm this date (if I want to keep my current job, two of the four possible dates are out of the question). I don't want to call too many times, but I'm getting anxious about slots filling and potentially missing the opportunity. Any thoughts??

(Sorry for the length, I'm a first-timer here :) )

[bad_timing]

I think that if they have a desire to interview you then that potential spot will not get filled unless you totally decline the opportunity. Remember, there are other candidates that will be interviewing against you for the same spot (stating the obvious now) so that spot will remain vacant until a sleection is made...obviously.

[systemsguy05]

Sorry, I meant one of the interview slots. I know the hiring is an ongoing process, the woman I spoke to made it sound like they had a limited timeframe in which they wanted to conduct interviews, so I just wanted to make sure I can be scheduled for a time that works for me (and my job)...as much as I want the position, I want to keep my current job in the meantime ;-)

Thanks though...I called back and left a message within an hour, so I imagine that if they received it, hopefully she'll pencil me in for that day. I hope.

[achefswife]

Ok I think I'm going to have to refill the forms out for my clearance (I can't get in touch with the lady in DC). I've been trying my best to remember my exact references.. people next door.. and that sort of thing. I'm worried what will happen if I put "david's" name on the first form but then but "Carol's" name on the new form. Do you think this will be much of a problem or looking like I'm not being honest? I just don't believe I'm going to have everything "exactly" like it was on the first form.

[electra1978]

Ok I think I'm going to have to refill the forms out for my clearance (I can't get in touch with the lady in DC). I've been trying my best to remember my exact references.. people next door.. and that sort of thing. I'm worried what will happen if I put "david's" name on the first form but then but "Carol's" name on the new form. Do you think this will be much of a problem or looking like I'm not being honest? I just don't believe I'm going to have everything "exactly" like it was on the first form.

I can't believe you have to go through all that again. Wow. I guess, try your best to remember what you filled in the first time, and if there is any discrepancy, then I'm sure they will ask you to clarify it... Good luck!

[Choicesix]

Ok I think I'm going to have to refill the forms out for my clearance (I can't get in touch with the lady in DC). I've been trying my best to remember my exact references.. people next door.. and that sort of thing. I'm worried what will happen if I put "david's" name on the first form but then but "Carol's" name on the new form. Do you think this will be much of a problem or looking like I'm not being honest? I just don't believe I'm going to have everything "exactly" like it was on the first form.


You have a legitimate reason, and if they find your first set of papers any information you give them wil only be more information for them. I don't see anyone being able to misconstrue what's happened. No harm, no foul.

[electra1978]

Sorry, I meant one of the interview slots. I know the hiring is an ongoing process, the woman I spoke to made it sound like they had a limited timeframe in which they wanted to conduct interviews, so I just wanted to make sure I can be scheduled for a time that works for me (and my job)...as much as I want the position, I want to keep my current job in the meantime ;-)

Thanks though...I called back and left a message within an hour, so I imagine that if they received it, hopefully she'll pencil me in for that day. I hope.

Hi. I also called and left a more detailed message indicating the times I was available on the days I am available. I'm lucky in that I'm pretty flexible and my entire office already knows all about my plans.

I am a little nervous that I haven't been able to reach her again to discuss the specifics of my interview. I only hope that she will call me back tomorrow before the weekend. Back to being stressed....great... :rolleyes:

[darkstar]

I can't seem to connect with the person who called from my FO. I got a v-mail, called back on her direct line and left a v-mail with my preferred date to interview, but haven't heard back. Anyone else had the same experience? I don't want to keep calling and annoy her... Do you receive anything in writing confirming the interview date and time? Thanks.

the HR person i spoke w/ when i set up my interview date told me that she was preparing a letter immediatly and that it would be in my mailbox the following monday (i got the call on a friday)... sure enough, it made it when she said it would...

[darkstar]

Ok I think I'm going to have to refill the forms out for my clearance (I can't get in touch with the lady in DC). I've been trying my best to remember my exact references.. people next door.. and that sort of thing. I'm worried what will happen if I put "david's" name on the first form but then but "Carol's" name on the new form. Do you think this will be much of a problem or looking like I'm not being honest? I just don't believe I'm going to have everything "exactly" like it was on the first form.

for what's it's worth i would simply fill it out as close to the original as possible... if anyone ever asks why you submitted two form w/ different info on them tell them about the mixup (which wasn't your fault)... surely they've come acrossed situations like this before... doesn't seem like there's much else you can do...

[darkstar]

I had the 3p's on 7/12. It went pretty good. The guy grilled me on a couple of things I mentioned on my app, but no big deal. I've never been on a poly before, so it was interesting. The finger printing is awesome. They use some sort of laser scanner. I've never seen one before! Then they load your print card into the printer and presto instant prints!

"grilling" as in just trying to get you to expound on the info you've already given or as in accusing you of witholding info/otherwise being deceitful?

[atxtallguy]

"grilling" as in just trying to get you to expound on the info you've already given or as in accusing you of witholding info/otherwise being deceitful?

It was leaning more on expanding about what I had provided info on. I'm not withholding any info, but if that was the case I'm sure I would lose my consideration. I know they told me that over 180,000 people have applied for the positions, so they can afford to be picky very picky!!

[darkstar]

It was leaning more on expanding about what I had provided info on. I'm not withholding any info, but if that was the case I'm sure I would lose my consideration. I know they told me that over 180,000 people have applied for the positions, so they can afford to be picky very picky!!


i figured as much, was just curious... and i had no idea that so many have applied... i feel fortunate just to be called in for an interview...

[Ellington]

Hell-o All,

The FO was able to reschedule my PSI and POLY upon my requests. I am glad about it, because I wasn't able to postpone my prior arrangements on the 18th. Now my PSI and POLY are scheduled for the 26th.

[OrangeAlum2003]

So......I had my 3 person panel interview today. Two of the interviewers were SA's and the other was an IA. I think that it went quite well. For the most part I was able to articulate my thoughts clearly and identify examples for all of the questions that were asked of me. A couple of times I stumbled over my words, but all in all I felt like I did ok. For those of you that are curious, the interview questions were completely standardized. Three panelists had a printed set of questions in front of them. Each one took turns reading a question off of the list and each took notes as I answered them. There were not any questions specific to my answers on the application. Most questions were of the nature of, "Can you please give an example of a time when you encountered a problem and had to change your approach to the situation" or "Can you give an example of a time where you had to collect large amounts of information and collate it into one neat finished product." (Lots of examples)

Anyway, all of the panelists were very friendly, and we spent the last 20-30 minutes with me asking questions of them about various items (I asked if it was true that analysts had to take out trash and escort contractors). Although I know that anything can happen, I fully expect to receive a CO. Perhaps they say this to everyone, but he said that I should expect to hear a call to schedule the PSI, poly etc. He, of course, qualified this as a hypothetical were I to receive a CO. We'll see what happens. Generally speaking, I've found that if I can get an interview, which isn't always easy, because I suck at resume writing, (I finally hired someone to write it for me) that I can get an offer. I hope that this case is no different.

They did ask me what my preference was in terms of field of interest i.e. counterterrorism, counterintelligence, all-source analyst vs. operations analyst as well as ask me what FO's were my preference (I told them Fargo :p )

[darkstar]

So......I had my 3 person panel interview today. Two of the interviewers were SA's and the other was an IA. I think that it went quite well. For the most part I was able to articulate my thoughts clearly and identify examples for all of the questions that were asked of me. A couple of times I stumbled over my words, but all in all I felt like I did ok. For those of you that are curious, the interview questions were completely standardized. Three panelists had a printed set of questions in front of them. Each one took turns reading a question off of the list and each took notes as I answered them. There were not any questions specific to my answers on the application. Most questions were of the nature of, "Can you please give an example of a time when you encountered a problem and had to change your approach to the situation" or "Can you give an example of a time where you had to collect large amounts of information and collate it into one neat finished product." (Lots of examples)

Anyway, all of the panelists were very friendly, and we spent the last 20-30 minutes with me asking questions of them about various items (I asked if it was true that analysts had to take out trash and escort contractors). Although I know that anything can happen, I fully expect to receive a CO. Perhaps they say this to everyone, but he said that I should expect to hear a call to schedule the PSI, poly etc. He, of course, qualified this as a hypothetical were I to receive a CO. We'll see what happens. Generally speaking, I've found that if I can get an interview, which isn't always easy, because I suck at resume writing, (I finally hired someone to write it for me) that I can get an offer. I hope that this case is no different.

They did ask me what my preference was in terms of field of interest i.e. counterterrorism, counterintelligence, all-source analyst vs. operations analyst as well as ask me what FO's were my preference (I told them Fargo :p )


sounds a lot like the phase II interview required of potential SA's. Lots of broad, open-ended questions that require the candidate to think on his/her feet and be able to provide examples of past experiences that might not be fresh or at the forefront of the candidate's mind... piece of cake... :) did the panel mention whether or not you were allowed to pass on a question and come back to it later in the interview? also, were you generally able to come up w/ something right away or did you take a moment to reflect before answering?

[Colonials322]

I am hearing rumors that they ask a lot about current events, world leaders, etc.? I did not think that was typical of a standard panel interview for this position, but then again I obviously wouldn't know exactly what to expect.
I understand this may be a sensitive question so I apologize if I am putting my nose where it doesn't belong, maybe I am just paranoid about how in-depth this interview may get.

[LAGGARD]

did the panel mention whether or not you were allowed to pass on a question and come back to it later in the interview?

I think any job interview allows you to skip and come back later with any question.

[OrangeAlum2003]

sounds a lot like the phase II interview required of potential SA's. Lots of broad, open-ended questions that require the candidate to think on his/her feet and be able to provide examples of past experiences that might not be fresh or at the forefront of the candidate's mind... piece of cake... :) did the panel mention whether or not you were allowed to pass on a question and come back to it later in the interview? also, were you generally able to come up w/ something right away or did you take a moment to reflect before answering?

The panel did not mention if you could come back to a question. A couple of times I took a few moments to think before formulating my response. Generally, I was able to come up with examples of everything they asked, some more specific than others. I think as a rule if you're preparing for an interview it's good to have a menu of professional and academic experiences that you can recall to fit into those different question sets. Those open-ended questions are pretty tough sometimes, because you have to quickly think of an answer that applies to what they're asking.

[OrangeAlum2003]

I am hearing rumors that they ask a lot about current events, world leaders, etc.? I did not think that was typical of a standard panel interview for this position, but then again I obviously wouldn't know exactly what to expect.
I understand this may be a sensitive question so I apologize if I am putting my nose where it doesn't belong, maybe I am just paranoid about how in-depth this interview may get.

I was not asked about world leaders, though they did ask me a question about current events that I was tracking. They also wanted to know where I got most of my news.

[electra1978]

OK, I got the call back to schedule my interview. Monday the 25th at 9 am. I asked if I need to bring anything, and she told me only a copy of my resume.

Should I have my SF-86 with me just in case??

[electra1978]

So......I had my 3 person panel interview today. Two of the interviewers were SA's and the other was an IA. I think that it went quite well. For the most part I was able to articulate my thoughts clearly and identify examples for all of the questions that were asked of me. A couple of times I stumbled over my words, but all in all I felt like I did ok. For those of you that are curious, the interview questions were completely standardized. Three panelists had a printed set of questions in front of them. Each one took turns reading a question off of the list and each took notes as I answered them. There were not any questions specific to my answers on the application. Most questions were of the nature of, "Can you please give an example of a time when you encountered a problem and had to change your approach to the situation" or "Can you give an example of a time where you had to collect large amounts of information and collate it into one neat finished product." (Lots of examples)

Anyway, all of the panelists were very friendly, and we spent the last 20-30 minutes with me asking questions of them about various items (I asked if it was true that analysts had to take out trash and escort contractors). Although I know that anything can happen, I fully expect to receive a CO. Perhaps they say this to everyone, but he said that I should expect to hear a call to schedule the PSI, poly etc. He, of course, qualified this as a hypothetical were I to receive a CO. We'll see what happens. Generally speaking, I've found that if I can get an interview, which isn't always easy, because I suck at resume writing, (I finally hired someone to write it for me) that I can get an offer. I hope that this case is no different.

They did ask me what my preference was in terms of field of interest i.e. counterterrorism, counterintelligence, all-source analyst vs. operations analyst as well as ask me what FO's were my preference (I told them Fargo :p )

Hey! I knew you'd do well. Sounds pretty standard and unintimidating. Hopefully mine will go the same way.

Wait... What did they say about taking out the trash??? :)

[Colonials322]

Well I just had the panel interview today. I don't really think I can say anything that has not already been said but it was essentially what I expected and reflected what has been posted already. I had initially thought I was applying specifically to the Washington, DC office because that is what the announcement said but I could tech. end up anywhere.

As indicated in an earlier post, they will ask you what your division(s), role(s), and location(s) of preference are, but of course I am not going to consider any of my choices as anything official.

Anyway, I felt pretty good and as long as you review your application and prepare there is nothing to worry about.

[systemsguy05]

Got my interview call this morning as well. Everything sounds standard enough. I haven't had a great deal of interview experience because I have only been out of school for a year, but with the potential numbers of applicants people are suggesting they must have seen something they like about me, otherwise I likely would not have made it even this far. :)

[electra1978]

Got my interview call this morning as well. Everything sounds standard enough. I haven't had a great deal of interview experience because I have only been out of school for a year, but with the potential numbers of applicants people are suggesting they must have seen something they like about me, otherwise I likely would not have made it even this far. :)

Very true, and that's the kind of mindset you need to bring with you to the interview. When is your interview date?

[systemsguy05]

Very true, and that's the kind of mindset you need to bring with you to the interview. When is your interview date?

Mine is Friday the 29th, at 9 am. I was at work again when I got the call, so I completely forgot to ask if there was anything I should bring to the interview (though the resume would be obvious enough anyway I suppose). I haven't read the original posting in some time, but I believe I remember it saying something about bringing the FD-140 and the FD-979 to expedite the process (I could be completely off base, though). Not sure about bringing the SF-86, but it's long enough that I'll probably try to at least start it while breaking from interview prep anyway ;-)

[electra1978]

Mine is Friday the 29th, at 9 am. I was at work again when I got the call, so I completely forgot to ask if there was anything I should bring to the interview (though the resume would be obvious enough anyway I suppose). I haven't read the original posting in some time, but I believe I remember it saying something about bringing the FD-140 and the FD-979 to expedite the process (I could be completely off base, though). Not sure about bringing the SF-86, but it's long enough that I'll probably try to at least start it while breaking from interview prep anyway ;-)

Funny, sounds like we have the same AC. Are you interviewing on the upper East coast by any chance??

Yeah, my plan is to try and have as much of the paperwork ready as possible so that I can bring that with me to the interview. It always helps to do as much as possible to expedite the process...

[Joeytlc1]

Hell-o All,

The FO was able to reschedule my PSI and POLY upon my requests. I am glad about it, because I wasn't able to postpone my prior arrangements on the 18th. Now my PSI and POLY are scheduled for the 26th.


Hello Ellington:

I am glad to hear everything worked out for you regarding the rescheduling. See it was worth a shot afterall! I hope it continues on that path for you. Best of luck to you on your PSI and the Poly on the 26th.

[systemsguy05]

Funny, sounds like we have the same AC. Are you interviewing on the upper East coast by any chance??

Yeah, my plan is to try and have as much of the paperwork ready as possible so that I can bring that with me to the interview. It always helps to do as much as possible to expedite the process...

Indeed I am :)

Good luck with your interview!!

[OrangeAlum2003]

So yesterday (one day after my interview) I received a call from someone in HR at my local FO. She needed me to provide some additional information on my SF-86. I know there was some discussion earlier on the board, but if anyone is still wondering, the FBI does require you to go back to 18 years of age. The SF-86 instructions say 7 years, but the FBI requires more. I should have followed that discussion on here more closely :D

Her call made me start thinking that why would they start processing my SF-86 without intent to give me a CO. So I started talking in hypotheticals with the contact from HR, and she basically indicated that I had been recommended by the panel to continue forward in the process and that a CO would be forthcoming, though it would be generated from a different office. She wasn't able to indicate to me what sort of offer I would get and what ability the FBI has to negotiate salaries (I'm pretty sure it would be a pay cut, but I'm hoping not too drastic). She also said that SF is pretty full at the moment, and it would be unlikely that I would end up in that office. Apparently, HQ is aggressively trying to fill spots. She actually scheduled my date for the poly (apparently the PSI will take place after the poly).

So things seem to be movig forward nicely. There seems to be a lot of urgency to get these applicants processed. My application, according to her, has to be processed by the end of August, at which time my background would begin. Keeping my fingers crossed.

[BuMan]

The PSI can be done before or after the Poly, so that's not a significant problem. The purpose of the PSI is to clarify any issues on the SF-86 and to allow the applicant to amend the information on the SF-86 prior to the background. That's important because if a material discrepancy is discovered during a background investigation, it will likely disqualify the applicant.

The poly examiner should work with you prior to the actual test to ensure the questions can be answered accurately. 'Nuff said on that subject.

[FLADan]

I am new to the board and have a few questions. My status recently changed to “Best Qualified” and I have a “Preliminary Interview” scheduled for Tuesday. Can someone provide some information (what to expect) on this step in the process? Also, I know it may seem trivial…but, how is everyone completing the SF-86 form – writing or typing? I have tried to complete it on my computer but some of the number fields (e.g., zip code, dates) will not accept the information or it will only allow a very small illegible font. I considered typing it and writing in the sections that can’t be completed via computer. Any thoughts/suggestions? Thanks.

[ricki223]

I've been reading this message board for a couple of weeks and this is my first post. I was just wondering if anyone can give me any advice as far as contacting someone about an interview. I just became best qualified about 3 weeks ago and I was wondering how everybody else got a call for an interview so rapidly. I talked to a guy from HQ and he said that all that means is that my application is still in the running. So I asked him if an interview would be the next step if i go further and he said he didn't know b/c sometimes they may just send someone a CO without an interview. Didnt make much sense to me so now I'm confused as to what I should do. Seeing how everyone in here seems to be moving along with everything I'm thinking this may not be a good sign for me even though I've made it to best qualified.

[darkstar]

I've been reading this message board for a couple of weeks and this is my first post. I was just wondering if anyone can give me any advice as far as contacting someone about an interview. I just became best qualified about 3 weeks ago and I was wondering how everybody else got a call for an interview so rapidly. I talked to a guy from HQ and he said that all that means is that my application is still in the running. So I asked him if an interview would be the next step if i go further and he said he didn't know b/c sometimes they may just send someone a CO without an interview. Didnt make much sense to me so now I'm confused as to what I should do. Seeing how everyone in here seems to be moving along with everything I'm thinking this may not be a good sign for me even though I've made it to best qualified.

hate to say it, but it doesn't seem like there's a lot you can do at this point... as long as your application is still in the running you'll probably get a call, but when that might happen is anyone's guess.... best thing to do is stay patient and be ready when the call comes... they don't always give you as much time as you want to prepare yourself....

just curious, but what's your timeline?

[Gigio]

So......I had my 3 person panel interview today. Two of the interviewers were SA's and the other was an IA. I think that it went quite well. For the most part I was able to articulate my thoughts clearly and identify examples for all of the questions that were asked of me. A couple of times I stumbled over my words, but all in all I felt like I did ok. For those of you that are curious, the interview questions were completely standardized. Three panelists had a printed set of questions in front of them. Each one took turns reading a question off of the list and each took notes as I answered them. There were not any questions specific to my answers on the application. Most questions were of the nature of, "Can you please give an example of a time when you encountered a problem and had to change your approach to the situation" or "Can you give an example of a time where you had to collect large amounts of information and collate it into one neat finished product." (Lots of examples)

Anyway, all of the panelists were very friendly, and we spent the last 20-30 minutes with me asking questions of them about various items (I asked if it was true that analysts had to take out trash and escort contractors). Although I know that anything can happen, I fully expect to receive a CO. Perhaps they say this to everyone, but he said that I should expect to hear a call to schedule the PSI, poly etc. He, of course, qualified this as a hypothetical were I to receive a CO. We'll see what happens. Generally speaking, I've found that if I can get an interview, which isn't always easy, because I suck at resume writing, (I finally hired someone to write it for me) that I can get an offer. I hope that this case is no different.

They did ask me what my preference was in terms of field of interest i.e. counterterrorism, counterintelligence, all-source analyst vs. operations analyst as well as ask me what FO's were my preference (I told them Fargo :p )

Congrats on your interview. Sounds like it went well. I have a question. Did you have to sign a confidentiality agreement after the interview? I was so excited after mine that I don't remember. I know I signed two things, but I don't remember what they said. (Yes, I need to work on that....)

Thanks and good luck!

[OrangeAlum2003]

Congrats on your interview. Sounds like it went well. I have a question. Did you have to sign a confidentiality agreement after the interview? I was so excited after mine that I don't remember. I know I signed two things, but I don't remember what they said. (Yes, I need to work on that....)

Thanks and good luck!

No, I was asked to sign nothing. They read me a disclosure statement and went through the list of things that may present problems for the security clearance process and asked me if I anticipated any problems. I put my John Hancock on nothing. I did turn in the FD 979 and my Sf-86, however.

Thanks by the way. Seeing as though I'm now going to receive a CO, I may have some big decisions coming up. I know my family really doesn't want to move out of state, but I know that if I pass up this opportunity I may wonder "what if" for the rest of my life. I'm not sure how to weigh everything. I guess I have some time to figure it out still.

[ricki223]

hate to say it, but it doesn't seem like there's a lot you can do at this point... as long as your application is still in the running you'll probably get a call, but when that might happen is anyone's guess.... best thing to do is stay patient and be ready when the call comes... they don't always give you as much time as you want to prepare yourself....

just curious, but what's your timeline?

I don't really have a definite timeline right now. I'm being patient but I'd like to try and get on as soon as possible. I have a certification exam for my field of work coming up in August and if I pass it then I'll probably have a new job in august (I hope). But if I get an offer from the fbi eventually I'll take it regardless of where I am. Last year I had a panel interview with another agency and it sounds like the one for this job is closely similar. So I'd be fairly comfortable considering I did well enough to get a CO from that one. It was eventually withdrawn because of my eyes. So I'm just keeping my fingers crossed hoping I can get an interview for this one.

[electra1978]

No, I was asked to sign nothing. They read me a disclosure statement and went through the list of things that may present problems for the security clearance process and asked me if I anticipated any problems. I put my John Hancock on nothing. I did turn in the FD 979 and my Sf-86, however.

Thanks by the way. Seeing as though I'm now going to receive a CO, I may have some big decisions coming up. I know my family really doesn't want to move out of state, but I know that if I pass up this opportunity I may wonder "what if" for the rest of my life. I'm not sure how to weigh everything. I guess I have some time to figure it out still.

Hey, congrats on the almost CO! That's awesome!

I can only imagine what it must feel like to be so ecstatic to have gotten this far, yet still have such big decisons to make especially when you don't even know yet where they might send you. What exactly does your family think about all this??

[OrangeAlum2003]

Hey, congrats on the almost CO! That's awesome!

I can only imagine what it must feel like to be so ecstatic to have gotten this far, yet still have such big decisons to make especially when you don't even know yet where they might send you. What exactly does your family think about all this??

My wife is supportive but sad and nervous. We have a 2 year old, and it would be hard to take him away from his grandparents. My parents live close, and her parents live on the West Coast. Sometimes I think I'm being selfish, but I can't get this desire to work for the FBI out of my head. Maybe I've made it a bigger fantasy than it is, but I'm confident that I would enjoy the work. We'll see. I have a few months to figure it out at least.

[ProudDad]

I'm going through the same thing Orangealum; although I'm currently processing for another position. I'd be asking my family to deal with my pay being cut in half, the possibility of being away from them for up to 30 days at a time and the possibility of a move. I too feel selfish, but I also know that I'm miserable in my current job so how good is that for them? I've always wanted to work for the FBI but, sometimes we have to put family above self. I wrestle with the thought of not being around when my son or daughter may need me and how that could impact their life. I pray that I at least would get assigned to a local FO, that would reduce some of my angst.

[OrangeAlum2003]

I'm going through the same thing Orangealum; although I'm currently processing for another position. I'd be asking my family to deal with my pay being cut in half, the possibility of being away from them for up to 30 days at a time and the possibility of a move. I too feel selfish, but I also know that I'm miserable in my current job so how good is that for them? I've always wanted to work for the FBI but, sometimes we have to put family above self. I wrestle with the thought of not being around when my son or daughter may need me and how that could impact their life. I pray that I at least would get assigned to a local FO, that would reduce some of my angst.

Yeah, it sounds like we're wrestling with very similar emotions. I, though not miserable at my current job, am not doing something for which I have passion or something that I was trained to do in school. I just sort of ended up in my current job by chance. It's a good gig that pays well, but I have no passion for it. It's interesting enough that it keeps me busy for 8 hours, and the week usually seems to fly by pretty quickly, but I don't go home at night thinking that I made a difference in the world. Then again, my family's happy because we're close to our friends and extended family, so I'm trying to figure out what's more important. The FBI, unless I was selected as a GS-11 or above for which I don't have the required federal experience, would be a hefty pay cut to start. I just wonder if the fantasy I've created in my head about working for the FBI is something that the real job could never live up to. I think I've done a realistic analysis of the nature of the work, but I would hope that I haven't set myself up for disappointment.

[DM05]

I've been reading this message board for a couple of weeks and this is my first post. I was just wondering if anyone can give me any advice as far as contacting someone about an interview. I just became best qualified about 3 weeks ago and I was wondering how everybody else got a call for an interview so rapidly. I talked to a guy from HQ and he said that all that means is that my application is still in the running. So I asked him if an interview would be the next step if i go further and he said he didn't know b/c sometimes they may just send someone a CO without an interview. Didnt make much sense to me so now I'm confused as to what I should do. Seeing how everyone in here seems to be moving along with everything I'm thinking this may not be a good sign for me even though I've made it to best qualified.

I'm in the same boat as you.....still. I called my FO and spoke to the HR specialist and was told that she didn't have any information but would call back with more info. As far as getting an interview, there is probably nothing we can do about that.

For all those in the backgroud process...the best advice you can receive is just to live life and forget about your FBI job prospect. I know thats hard to do but it's the best thing to do. And when you do get "the call" it will be well worth the wait. In the mean time go play golf or something.

I know that there have been lots of questions about the BI, polygraph, and other subjects. Don't worry about those either, just be accurate about your past and everything will be ok as far as adjudication goes. I've been through the background process and while it seems like it takes forever, the end will come soon. Just my encouragement from someone whos been there, and I would do it all over again.

[bad_timing]

Is anyone else in here processing out of the Detroit FO? I am just a little curious about your progress. Then again, I could be the only one in here filtering out of America's most dangerous city :cool:

[tdstolz]

Dear DM05,

Have you gotten your final offer, then? I couldn't tell from your post. Thanks!

Yours,
Travis

[electra1978]

I've gotten to question 22 on my SF-86 about my "employment record." About 5 years ago I took a job at a school working in the alumni relations department. My boss who seemed normal at first, made my life and my co-worker's a living hell because we found out later she had a grand plan to get rid of us both, combine our salaries, and hire her good friend instead. She did all she could to get us to quit. My co-worker eventually did under the pressure, but I stayed on until my boss fired me about 2 weeks afterwards. Worst 2 weeks of my life... I found out that upper management caught on soon after I left and the woman and her entire department were fired after they found out.

Anyway, I'm going to be honest on the form, and I have people who can vouch for me and my ethics. I'm just worried I'll look bad regardless because I was fired. I feel badly that I was fired even though it wasn't my fault...

[Choicesix]

I've gotten to question 22 on my SF-86 about my "employment record." About 5 years ago I took a job at a school working in the alumni relations department. My boss who seemed normal at first, made my life and my co-worker's a living hell because we found out later she had a grand plan to get rid of us both, combine our salaries, and hire her good friend instead. She did all she could to get us to quit. My co-worker eventually did under the pressure, but I stayed on until my boss fired me about 2 weeks afterwards. Worst 2 weeks of my life... I found out that upper management caught on soon after I left and the woman and her entire department were fired after they found out.

Anyway, I'm going to be honest on the form, and I have people who can vouch for me and my ethics. I'm just worried I'll look bad regardless because I was fired. I feel badly that I was fired even though it wasn't my fault...

Don't worry too much. The hiring process isn't designed to be adversarial. The FBI is looking for good character in the face of adversity. If you have contacts, especially neutral third parties, that can vouch for your account of the situation, bring that up at the PSI--that's what it's for. Your employer in that situation is lucky you didn't sue them for wrongful termination. Again, I wouldn't worry. Cheers.

[DM05]

Dear DM05,

Have you gotten your final offer, then? I couldn't tell from your post. Thanks!

Yours,
Travis

Nope, I was one of the alternates who went through the process last year. Don't even ask about alternates from last year......it was a mess. I'm still waiting to called for an interview for this round though. The process this year seems to be more streamlined than the process used in the last hiring round.

[electra1978]

Don't worry too much. The hiring process isn't designed to be adversarial. The FBI is looking for good character in the face of adversity. If you have contacts, especially neutral third parties, that can vouch for your account of the situation, bring that up at the PSI--that's what it's for. Your employer in that situation is lucky you didn't sue them for wrongful termination. Again, I wouldn't worry. Cheers.

Thanks! I needed those words of encouragement. I guess all I can do is answer the question to the best of my ability on the form, and elaborate if necessary later on.

[OrangeAlum2003]

I'm curious, for those of you who have received an offer of employment with the FBI, what was your ability to negotiate your starting salary? I imagine some of you probably took the offer that was given you, but are there those on the board who have asked for more and received it? I'm wondering how much margin the Bureau has to work with and what sort of leverage a qualified applicant really has.

[bad_timing]

I'm offered a GS-7 and I am totally fine with that.

[diablo3305]

I'm curious, for those of you who have received an offer of employment with the FBI, what was your ability to negotiate your starting salary? I imagine some of you probably took the offer that was given you, but are there those on the board who have asked for more and received it? I'm wondering how much margin the Bureau has to work with and what sort of leverage a qualified applicant really has.


I haven't gotten my FO yet, but my CO stated my salary along with locality pay. I was not able to negotiate it.

[waitingindc]

I just wanted to congratulate everyone who have gotten CO's recently. I received my CO back in March and am waiting on my BI to be finished. It is a long, frustrating, and frustrating process (yes 2 frustratings, 1 didn't seem to cut it). I have been in contact with my AC every other week just to see how things are going. The only thing that has come of it is her telling me that the investigator needs more information above what was on my forms. As I mentioned previously, one question was, "So we see that you worked at a McDonald's 11 years ago (when I was 17), we need you to provide names and addresses of co-workers who can verify your employment. My response was "WHAT!"

[electra1978]

I just wanted to congratulate everyone who have gotten CO's recently. I received my CO back in March and am waiting on my BI to be finished. It is a long, frustrating, and frustrating process (yes 2 frustratings, 1 didn't seem to cut it). I have been in contact with my AC every other week just to see how things are going. The only thing that has come of it is her telling me that the investigator needs more information above what was on my forms. As I mentioned previously, one question was, "So we see that you worked at a McDonald's 11 years ago (when I was 17), we need you to provide names and addresses of co-workers who can verify your employment. My response was "WHAT!"

Whoa! They really don't mess around. :eek: Is it possible to put too much information?? I am taking advantage of being able to attach blank sheets to the SF-86 and list everyone and everything I feel is relevant to the Q's listed. I also have about 15 additional people I could put down as reliable character and work references.

[atxtallguy]

These posts are from last year, but it was interesting points of view and information. Check them out!

http://******************/cgi-bin/forums/YaBB.pl?board=federal;action=display;num=110860703 5

[atxtallguy]

These posts are from last year, but it was interesting points of view and information. Check them out!

http://******************/cgi-bin/forums/YaBB.pl?board=federal;action=display;num=110860703 5


Crap, for some reason it does not work! Well the site is called ****************** Search on Intelligence Analyst

[atxtallguy]

Crap, for some reason it does not work! Well the site is called ****************** Search on Intelligence Analyst

Well I guess there is some sort of program that monitors what I type and takes out any info on other sites. Let me try another way with spaces inbetween the letters and see if it works, if not, sorry.

a n t i p o l y g r a p h . o r g

[diablo3305]

Its just going to be edited by the moderators. Why do you keep trying to post it?

that site is obviously not allowed to be linked to or posted about on here.

[atxtallguy]

Its just going to be edited by the moderators. Why do you keep trying to post it?

that site is obviously not allowed to be linked to or posted about on here.

Well, if there is a will there is a way! It has some interesting veiwpoints and I thought I'd share the info.

[diablo3305]

Well, if there is a will there is a way! It has some interesting veiwpoints and I thought I'd share the info.


Not really. All I got from that is some complaining about the poly and about how long the process takes. The process is long, there is no way to change that. I'm feeling it as well as others. It is all worth it in the end though.

Regarding the poly, take my advice. Don't sweat it, I have taken two recently (and passed) and they are really not all that bad. Don't read about it because your going to drive yourself crazy. I read through alot of those sites and have done research on the poly and I am a bit familiar with how it works, yet I was very worked up before my first one. I wish now I had never read or heard anything about it before hand. Just relax and try not to think about it, thats really the best you can do throughout the whole process. Things come in time.

I didn't think much about this position after my interview, and eventually (5 months later) I was given a conditional offer and I am now awaiting a final offer. I have things to possibly sort out before I go, so it is on my mind, but I try not to think about it.

[atxtallguy]

Not really. All I got from that is some complaining about the poly and about how long the process takes. The process is long, there is no way to change that. I'm feeling it as well as others. It is all worth it in the end though.

Regarding the poly, take my advice. Don't sweat it, I have taken two recently (and passed) and they are really not all that bad. Don't read about it because your going to drive yourself crazy. I read through alot of those sites and have done research on the poly and I am a bit familiar with how it works, yet I was very worked up before my first one. I wish now I had never read or heard anything about it before hand. Just relax and try not to think about it, thats really the best you can do throughout the whole process. Things come in time.

I didn't think much about this position after my interview, and eventually (5 months later) I was given a conditional offer and I am now awaiting a final offer. I have things to possibly sort out before I go, so it is on my mind, but I try not to think about it.

True, but there are other threads with people going thru the process like we are, specifically talking about the IA process like we do here. I've also taken my PSI, poly and my BI is still in process. Just waiting on that to wrap up and a final offer to come along.

I agree, the poly is no big deal as long as you have been honest and up front with everything.

[diablo3305]

True, but there are other threads with people going thru the process like we are, specifically talking about the IA process like we do here. I've also taken my PSI, poly and my BI is still in process. Just waiting on that to wrap up and a final offer to come along.

I agree, the poly is no big deal as long as you have been honest and up front with everything.


Yea, but overall i think the info on this board is much more informative. When were you issued your CO? I'm going on alittle over 3 months in the BI stage.

[atxtallguy]

Yea, but overall i think the info on this board is much more informative. When were you issued your CO? I'm going on alittle over 3 months in the BI stage.

This board seems to be more laid back and BuMan provides us with tons of info. The other board has many nasty dog fights, which is a little humors to me at times.

My CO was given at the end of May, so for timeline purposes I'm just behind you.

[waitingindc]

atxtallguy, I would be very weary about referring people to that site you mentioned. I have gone through the polygraph for CIA, NSA, and the FBI, and every time the investigator asked me whether I had done research on the poly, and two different times I was asked specifically about that website. My advice to anyone going through the poly for the first time, do not read anything about the damn thing, it will only screw with your head. Reading the stuff on that site caused me trouble with my first set of polys at CIA. It was only after that did I realize is the only thing you can do to "beat" the poly is to not think about it at all before you show up, answer the questions exactly, and to be as void of thought as possible. This got me through both the NSA and FBI polys the first time, and in about 30 minutes per session. But that is just my 2 cents...

[atxtallguy]

atxtallguy, I would be very weary about referring people to that site you mentioned. I have gone through the polygraph for CIA, NSA, and the FBI, and every time the investigator asked me whether I had done research on the poly, and two different times I was asked specifically about that website. My advice to anyone going through the poly for the first time, do not read anything about the damn thing, it will only screw with your head. Reading the stuff on that site caused me trouble with my first set of polys at CIA. It was only after that did I realize is the only thing you can do to "beat" the poly is to not think about it at all before you show up, answer the questions exactly, and to be as void of thought as possible. This got me through both the NSA and FBI polys the first time, and in about 30 minutes per session. But that is just my 2 cents...


Good call waitingindc! I never really looked at it that way and didn't have that question come up during my poly, but every poly could be different. As I mentioned earlier, if you answer truthfully about everything and have been upfront, nobody should try to beat anything. :confused: Are you still trying to get in with the NSA? I assume it was a deal killer with the CIA.

[waitingindc]

Unfortunately no, the NSA, after going through 6 months of BI and passing the polygraph, decided that I was not the most qualified applicant for the position that I had originally apllied for. Yes, that's right. They gave me a CO, investigated the hell out of me, made me do a series of psych batteries, skill assessments, language testing, etc. and then decided, well we changed our minds. AND WE WONDER WHY WE HAVE A MULTI-TRILLION DOLLAR DEFICIT. Can you imagine how many man hours were billed on my 6 months investigation alone, which they eventually just tossed aside.

Anyway, sorry for the tirade. And yes the trouble with the CIA poly (i never failed, they just kept bringing me back and asking me ridiculous questions like "so you worked at a bar, was there ever a time where you worked late, maybe had a drink or two, and don't remember how you got home? Is it possible that someone slipped something in your drink and just don't remember?" I kid you not, and this lasted for 3 days, four hours at a time...

Eventually I received a letter saying I was not qualified at this time, and feel free to reapply after one year...

oh shoot, I tiraded again (tiraded should really be a word)

[systemsguy05]

i have never taken a polygraph, but already the talk of it is making me nervous, and i have no reason to be (to my knowledge)!! on the somewhat-bright side, i'm not even scheduled to take one yet because i just scheduled my interview last friday, and i have to make it out of there to move on to the poly and everything else...thus, i should have plenty of time to stop being nervous about it ;-)

as for that interview...i believe i read last week that people were being asked questions about the work they are interested in, what their function would be, etc...obviously i have no illusions that if i ask for one thing and they want me to do another, i would actually get my way (i'll take whatever they give me), but i don't remember info on interests and functions on the description, so i'm not sure i know what all the options are....???

[atxtallguy]

i have never taken a polygraph, but already the talk of it is making me nervous, and i have no reason to be (to my knowledge)!! on the somewhat-bright side, i'm not even scheduled to take one yet because i just scheduled my interview last friday, and i have to make it out of there to move on to the poly and everything else...thus, i should have plenty of time to stop being nervous about it ;-)

as for that interview...i believe i read last week that people were being asked questions about the work they are interested in, what their function would be, etc...obviously i have no illusions that if i ask for one thing and they want me to do another, i would actually get my way (i'll take whatever they give me), but i don't remember info on interests and functions on the description, so i'm not sure i know what all the options are....???

Easy there, don't get all nervous. You will do fine.

This is the break down of the area of intersts they asked me during my interview. When you pick one they may ask why and have more questions about that.


Counterintelligence: detecting and lawfully countering actions of foreign intelligence services and organizations that employ human and technical means to gather information that adversely affects U.S. national interests.

Counterterrorism: detection, deterrence, and prevention of terrorist actions that threaten U.S. national interests at home or abroad.

Criminal: investigations into organized crime, drug enterprises, violent gangs, financial crime, white-collar crime, and civil rights violations.

Cyber: federal violations in which the Internet, computer systems and networks are exploited as the principal instruments of targets of criminal, foreign intelligence, or terrorism activity.

[jack777]

[QUOTE=waitingindc]Unfortunately no, the NSA, after going through 6 months of BI and passing the polygraph, decided that I was not the most qualified applicant for the position that I had originally apllied for. Yes, that's right. They gave me a CO, investigated the hell out of me, made me do a series of psych batteries, skill assessments, language testing, etc. and then decided, well we changed our minds. AND WE WONDER WHY WE HAVE A MULTI-TRILLION DOLLAR DEFICIT. Can you imagine how many man hours were billed on my 6 months investigation alone, which they eventually just tossed aside.
QUOTE]


Long-time lurker decided to post because of the similarity of my story to the above.

I had the exact same thing happen with the Defense Intelligence Agency. Given CO last Feb, Went for a security interview in DC in March, passed security clearance in July. Then they said the needs of the agency changed this Febuary and they cut me loose. Now this is after I turned down a chance to interview with the FBI last spring, because I naively thought that a conditional offer based upon passing a security clearance meant something. My contact person said they turned loose a large amount of people in a similar situation this year. It did not hurt me too bad as of yet as I was getting my MA in International Relations. The moral of my story is until they tell you you have an actual position with a start date, just view it like your still in the application process.

I have a question and haven't been able to get an definitive answer. What is the difference between Best Qualified and Referred to selecting official? I am best qualified at GS-7, but referred at GS-9. Obviously, I would prefer 9, but would accept 7. Also similar to some other people I have not been contacted for an interview. I hope the reason isn't my turning down an interview last spring, but just a location or timing thing.

[waitingindc]

Referred to selecting official means that someone has your application in a stack of files with the intent of calling you at some point and inviting you in for an interview. Best qualified means that you are in quickhire, waiting to have someone determine whether or not you should be referred to a selecting official. So, bottom line, best qualified=good, referred to selecting official=very good...

[jack777]

Referred to selecting official means that someone has your application in a stack of files with the intent of calling you at some point and inviting you in for an interview. Best qualified means that you are in quickhire, waiting to have someone determine whether or not you should be referred to a selecting official. So, bottom line, best qualified=good, referred to selecting official=very good...


Thanks for the info waitingindc. As someone who went through a similar experience as you I certainly hope things work out well for you.

[systemsguy05]

Referred to selecting official means that someone has your application in a stack of files with the intent of calling you at some point and inviting you in for an interview. Best qualified means that you are in quickhire, waiting to have someone determine whether or not you should be referred to a selecting official. So, bottom line, best qualified=good, referred to selecting official=very good...

I'm not sure if it's consistent between different positions and in different offices...but I was actually "referred to selecting official" for a very long time before being "best qualified". I received a call to interview shortly after being switched to "best qualified". Again though, as someone who has only been out of school for a year and is going through the process for the first time, I don't necessarily know what I'm talking about :)

[LAGGARD]

Referred to selecting official means that someone has your application in a stack of files with the intent of calling you at some point and inviting you in for an interview. Best qualified means that you are in quickhire, waiting to have someone determine whether or not you should be referred to a selecting official. So, bottom line, best qualified=good, referred to selecting official=very good...

I have been a bit confused too. Thanks.

[LAGGARD]

Easy there, don't get all nervous. You will do fine.
Counterintelligence: detecting and lawfully countering actions of foreign intelligence services and organizations that employ human and technical means to gather information that adversely affects U.S. national interests.

Counterterrorism: detection, deterrence, and prevention of terrorist actions that threaten U.S. national interests at home or abroad.

Criminal: investigations into organized crime, drug enterprises, violent gangs, financial crime, white-collar crime, and civil rights violations.

Cyber: federal violations in which the Internet, computer systems and networks are exploited as the principal instruments of targets of criminal, foreign intelligence, or terrorism activity.

All four sound interesting. Cyber seems to be best if you are interested in an industrial world later. Myself, I think Counterintelligence fits me perfectly.

[systemsguy05]

atxtallguy, missed your reply before, until laggard replied to you. thanks for the info, though, i really appreciate it!! i guess i'll have to pick one that i'm "most" interested in, all sound interesting to me, haha.

[atxtallguy]

atxtallguy, missed your reply before, until laggard replied to you. thanks for the info, though, i really appreciate it!! i guess i'll have to pick one that i'm "most" interested in, all sound interesting to me, haha.
"I'm not sure if it's consistent between different positions and in different offices...but I was actually "referred to selecting official" for a very long time before being "best qualified". I received a call to interview shortly after being switched to "best qualified". Again though, as someone who has only been out of school for a year and is going through the process for the first time, I don't necessarily know what I'm talking about"

No problem bud.

I had the same thing happen to me, being "referred to selecting official" for a long time, then changed over to "best qualified" right before my interview. It would not surprise me to hear of them having two different versions or styles of how things are done. :alien:

[OrangeAlum2003]

"I'm not sure if it's consistent between different positions and in different offices...but I was actually "referred to selecting official" for a very long time before being "best qualified". I received a call to interview shortly after being switched to "best qualified". Again though, as someone who has only been out of school for a year and is going through the process for the first time, I don't necessarily know what I'm talking about"

No problem bud.

I had the same thing happen to me, being "referred to selecting official" for a long time, then changed over to "best qualified" right before my interview. It would not surprise me to hear of them having two different versions or styles of how things are done. :alien:

I'm in the same boat. I was referred to selecting official for about 2 months without hearing anything. Two weeks after my status changed to best qualified I was called for an interview. That would lead me to speculate that best qualified is a higher status than referred. That said it really doesn't matter unless you get an interview and an offer. I think I wasted too many brain cells trying to interpret all those changes on the website that may or may not mean something.

[larryd7593]

Referred to selecting official means that someone has your application in a stack of files with the intent of calling you at some point and inviting you in for an interview. Best qualified means that you are in quickhire, waiting to have someone determine whether or not you should be referred to a selecting official. So, bottom line, best qualified=good, referred to selecting official=very good...

Not sure that is entirely true.... I was "referred to selecting official" 3 weeks before "best qualified"...and then a week later i got a call for the interview...but what do I know...this process is very confusing to all of us...

[DM05]

Well I guess there is some sort of program that monitors what I type and takes out any info on other sites. Let me try another way with spaces inbetween the letters and see if it works, if not, sorry.

a n t i p o l y g r a p h . o r g

No, no, no. Do not go there folks, the best thing is not to read anything about the polygraph whatsoever. It will just make you nervous.

[BuMan]

Not really. All I got from that is some complaining about the poly and about how long the process takes. The process is long, there is no way to change that. I'm feeling it as well as others. It is all worth it in the end though.

Regarding the poly, take my advice. Don't sweat it, I have taken two recently (and passed) and they are really not all that bad. Don't read about it because your going to drive yourself crazy. I read through alot of those sites and have done research on the poly and I am a bit familiar with how it works, yet I was very worked up before my first one. I wish now I had never read or heard anything about it before hand. Just relax and try not to think about it, thats really the best you can do throughout the whole process. Things come in time.

I didn't think much about this position after my interview, and eventually (5 months later) I was given a conditional offer and I am now awaiting a final offer. I have things to possibly sort out before I go, so it is on my mind, but I try not to think about it.

Good point. Sites like the one referenced will do nothing to help you with regard to passing the test you are scheduled for and can cause you significant problems, even if you have nothing to hide. You will likely be asked if you have researched the test when you take it. If, for some reason, you take steps mentioned on the site or in books to try to beat it, you may be disqualified when you take the test. It's also a verboten topic on this board, so it's highly recommended that you don't a) review the site, or b) try to do anything to beat the test. It's one of those lose-lose situations. I'll leave you with this final thought. If you're applying to be an Intelligence Analyst and end up working in a CT or CI world that requires access to SCI information, you should expect to have one every time you have a 5-year reinvestigation. It's a fact of life and you have to be prepared to deal with it. Sites like the one mentioned will only cause you problems down the road.

[tdstolz]

Hello, everyone.

I spoke with my AC this morning--no news. I'm over three months into my BI and currently in adjudication (I think). She told me that an analyst at HQ was reviewing my file and that any additional leads would develop or further requests for information would be made as necessary. Thus far, I passed my poly and my BI has been happily uneventful--and at this stage, I should think no news is good news.

She said there is no way of knowing when I'll come on board. When I was in DC we were told BIs usually go from four to six months--she said they can go on for a year (albeit worst case scenario). So I continue to be on hold. No fun. I know the FBI loses a lot of potential IAs who simply cannot wait and wait. I was hopeful that something would happen soon, that I'd at least be approved for hire. And who knows? But it's a bummer.

I know the FBI wants 800+ IAs before the end of FY 2005, but I suppose that's no guarantee. I know I'm not alone in having family concerns, e.g., needing to make some concrete plans regarding housing, schools, etc. We'll see what happens.

Yours,
Travis

[diablo3305]

Hello, everyone.

I spoke with my AC this morning--no news. I'm over three months into my BI and currently in adjudication (I think). She told me that an analyst at HQ was reviewing my file and that any additional leads would develop or further requests for information would be made as necessary. Thus far, I passed my poly and my BI has been happily uneventful--and at this stage, I should think no news is good news.

She said there is no way of knowing when I'll come on board. When I was in DC we were told BIs usually go from four to six months--she said they can go on for a year (albeit worst case scenario). So I continue to be on hold. No fun. I know the FBI loses a lot of potential IAs who simply cannot wait and wait. I was hopeful that something would happen soon, that I'd at least be approved for hire. And who knows? But it's a bummer.

I know the FBI wants 800+ IAs before the end of FY 2005, but I suppose that's no guarantee. I know I'm not alone in having family concerns, e.g., needing to make some concrete plans regarding housing, schools, etc. We'll see what happens.

Yours,
Travis


I thought adjudication was after your BI was completed?, not part of the BI process. I am still in BI and passed my poly. They haven't called me about any questions so I am hoping there haven't been any problems yet, otherwise I would get a call. I was hoping to hear something by the end of the summer so I can cancel my fall classes in time, but i'm not sure that will work out. well see

[tdstolz]

What I was told is that an analyst is reviewing my file and any leads that need to be followed or any additional items or loose ends that need to be tied up have got to be done before I'm approved for hire and then assigned. I take that to mean that my BI is done in that the investigators have submitted everything, but now someone is going over that material and determining if it is complete or if any additional information is necessary. What that's done, the analyst writes his/her report, his/her supervisor signs off and writes a report, and then my file goes to the Security Div. for final clearance. Have I got it right? It's all a bit confusing...

Yours,
Travis

[ProudDad]

From speaking to someone who does bkgds it sounds like all the field agents have sent their work to the main agent/investigator/analyst who will now review it for the required information/completeness. If nothing else needs to be done, it will then be forwarded for adjudication.

[LAGGARD]

I thought adjudication was after your BI was completed?, not part of the BI process. I am still in BI and passed my poly. They haven't called me about any questions so I am hoping there haven't been any problems yet, otherwise I would get a call. I was hoping to hear something by the end of the summer so I can cancel my fall classes in time, but i'm not sure that will work out. well see

I am in the same situation. I have yet signed up for classes but must decide in early August. One thing that concerns me is my financial sources. I would hate to tell the people, who have helped me so much in my academic career, that I must turn them down. I called the other day to check on my process and, apparently, it is not done after nearly 3 months. I am not so sure if it will work out well for me either, and many others. For the ones who are waiting or at least i am, we must be hopeful that this is worth it. :)

[forms]

Referred to selecting official means that someone has your application in a stack of files with the intent of calling you at some point and inviting you in for an interview. Best qualified means that you are in quickhire, waiting to have someone determine whether or not you should be referred to a selecting official. So, bottom line, best qualified=good, referred to selecting official=very good...

Actually, I think it is the other way around. I was "Referred to Selecting Official" for months. After my interview I went to "Best Qualified".

At least that's my understanding.

[tdstolz]

Hello, everyone.

I thought everyone might be interested in the GAO's report from April 2004 entitled, Security Clearances: FBI Has Enhanced Its Process for State and Local Law Enforcement Officials (GAO-04-596): http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d04596.pdf

For a summary, go to: http://www.gao.gov/highlights/d04596high.pdf

The report walks you through the clearance process: interview, BI, adjudication, etc. According to the report, adjudication indeed occurs after the investigators have submitted their reports. An analyst then reviews one's case, requesting additional information if necessary. He or she writes a report and recommends granting or denial of clearance. A supervisor reviews the recommendation and grants or denies clearance (12-3).

What is quite encouraging is how the FBI is expediting the clearance process. "Of the top secret applications received, about 835 were granted and 276 were pending at the time of our review [i.e., 11 September 2001-8 December 2003]. The FBI denied clearances to 7 applicants" (14). Also: "The average number of days for completing a top secret security clearance application declined from 244 days in the last quarter of 2001 to 70 days in the third quarter of 2003" (15).

For what it's worth, I'm on day 97...

I hope this is helpful.

Yours,
Travis

[waitingindc]

Referred to selecting official means that someone has your application in a stack of files with the intent of calling you at some point and inviting you in for an interview. Best qualified means that you are in quickhire, waiting to have someone determine whether or not you should be referred to a selecting official. So, bottom line, best qualified=good, referred to selecting official=very good...

Actually, I think it is the other way around. I was "Referred to Selecting Official" for months. After my interview I went to "Best Qualified".

At least that's my understanding.
Well, I guess it works differently for everyone. I have just entered adjudication and have been listed as "referred to selecting official" for almost 5 months now, after initially being listed as best qualified. So who knows...

[achefswife]

How do you know if your BI has started. Do they sit down with you for the PSI beforehand or just whenever they deem necessary. I was told that mine was about to start back at the end of June, but I have not heard anything from HQ since then. My poly is scheduled for this Friday at 9am.

[diablo3305]

How do you know if your BI has started. Do they sit down with you for the PSI beforehand or just whenever they deem necessary. I was told that mine was about to start back at the end of June, but I have not heard anything from HQ since then. My poly is scheduled for this Friday at 9am.


I was told my my mom that an investigator was coming to her job (i used to work there). That is the first I heard. You will have a PSI, but your BI may start before then. You will know, don't worry. Someone will tell you they talked to someone from the FBI.

[LAGGARD]

How do you know if your BI has started. Do they sit down with you for the PSI beforehand or just whenever they deem necessary. I was told that mine was about to start back at the end of June, but I have not heard anything from HQ since then. My poly is scheduled for this Friday at 9am.

I was called and told that my BI would start the following day.

[scraggler01]

All of those whose BI is finished...

Were any of your family members contacted as part of your BI. So far everyone i listed on my application have been contacted. As well as others i didnt list. I was wondering if they will contact any family members for further reference.

[tdstolz]

Dear Achefswife,

You will know when your BI has begun--a lot of your friends will think it is way too cool that the FBI has spoken with them, others will politely inquire if everything is okay.

According to the GAO report I cited in an earlier post, FOs "must complie a portion of the investigative information for submission to FBI headquarters within 10 days of the receipt of the application." It adds: "However, the FBI was not able to estimate the actual processing time for these preliminary tasks" (12).

At any rate, I was at a hiring blitz in DC back in mid-April. I had my interview and got my CO one day, and had my PSI, poly, urinalysis, and fingerprinting the next. While there, I was told my BI would begin in a week or two. About ten days after I got back, a friend called and said he was being interviewed later that day--my BI had begun, perhaps even earlier.

I hope this is helpful.

Yours,
Travis

[tdstolz]

Dear Scraggler01,

None of my family members were contacted. One has to provide this information on the SF-86, though. If any of your immediate family are foreign nationals, etc., then you might be asked some questions, but I really don't know if they would be contacted. I really don't know if family members are ever contacted as a standard part of the BI. The issue of bias would seem to neutralize any information to be gained. "So, what can you tell me about your son's character?" "Oh, he's such a nice boy!"

Yes, well...

Yours,
Travis

[scraggler01]

Thats kinda what my thoughts were.

Its seems like everyone ive ever known has been contacted except for my family. Ive seen where a couple people have mentioned a family meber being contacted. Good to know the BI is about done.

[Gigio]

Missed a call from the staffing office today. Sure hope she was calling to offer an IA position. (I was part of the hiring blitz in DC in April.) Can hardly wait to find out tomorrow. I think bad news comes in a thin envelope and good news comes over the phone....

[mugrad04]

Missed a call from the staffing office today. Sure hope she was calling to offer an IA position. (I was part of the hiring blitz in DC in April.) Can hardly wait to find out tomorrow. I think bad news comes in a thin envelope and good news comes over the phone....


I have a question..I had my poly and psi back in june and I know that my BI is still going on because a former roommate called me this past saturday to tell me she was interviewed - what I was wondering is how does everyone know they passed the poly? should i assume I past the polygraph because its been a month since and the BI is still going on or did someone call you to tell you that you passed? Thanks!

[DM05]

I have a question..I had my poly and psi back in june and I know that my BI is still going on because a former roommate called me this past saturday to tell me she was interviewed - what I was wondering is how does everyone know they passed the poly? should i assume I past the polygraph because its been a month since and the BI is still going on or did someone call you to tell you that you passed? Thanks!

It's safe to say that if you haven't received a letter 2 or 3 weeks after your polygraph, then you passed.

[TampaBarb]

I know some have said they heard all interviews will be finished by the end of July -- I'm hoping that's not true, has anyone heard differently? I ask because I've been "referred to selecting official" for GS 9 for a couple of weeks, so if all interviews are to be done by the end of July then I'm probably out of luck. Thanks!

;)

[waitingindc]

I got some interesting information from my AC yesterday. One, she said that in HR's system they cannot actually tell when the field portion of the BI will be finished and adjudication actually begins. I would take that to mean that it is not a discrete process, i.e. just because someone is being adjudicated, doesn't mean that there will be no more fieldwork. Second, she said that yes, they are absolutely trying to get everyone who has had their BI started on by the end of September. Third, she said that if that is not the case, it would be most likely that anyone going through the BI would have to wait until after the first of the calendar year to be brought on, some kind of funding issue. So for those folks nearing the end of their BI's, including myself, I think it is good news. As far as everyone else, you might want to contact you AC to confirm this and see what is up with your investigation...

[tdstolz]

Dear Waitingindc,

Very encouraging, indeed. I was told that I was in adjudication, but that's probably only becase I'm, well, pushy. Seriously, ever since I got back from DC in mid-April with my CO for a position at FBI HQ, I called my AC every few weeks. I'm calling every week now, just to see where things stand, etc. There's a fine line between seeing where things stand and truly being pushy--when there is nothing for your AC to tell you, there is really nothing for your AC to tell you. But mine is a real gem and has been very sympathetic and helpful.

Right now, I am waiting for an analyst to finish reviewing my file and write a report recommending either clearance or denial. Following this, his/her supervisor reviews the decisions and writes a report as well. Then Security Division grants clearance and approves for hiring. This is what was explained to me yesterday and what is also in the GAO report I mentioned yesterday as well. So at this stage, one's background can still be investigated if there is anything the analyst needs clarified or explained, any loose ends that need to be tied, etc. And if this is the case, your AC will contact you.

What one needs to remember is that by the time one is well into one's BI--let alone in adjudication when things start winding down--the FBI has already spent literally thousands of dollars on an applicant. I have to remind myself of this all the time, but the FBI wants lots of IAs as much as I want to be one of them. It's not simply that the FBI wants to hire 800+ IAs by the end of FY 2005--which is a big goal in and of itself--it's also the difficulty in hiring people as well as internal issues like attrition. E.g., http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/04/AR2005050402185.html

Best of luck to everyone!

Yours,
Travis

[diablo3305]

Dear Waitingindc,

Very encouraging, indeed. I was told that I was in adjudication, but that's probably only becase I'm, well, pushy. Seriously, ever since I got back from DC in mid-April with my CO for a position at FBI HQ, I called my AC every few weeks. I'm calling every week now, just to see where things stand, etc. There's a fine line between seeing where things stand and truly being pushy--when there is nothing for your AC to tell you, there is really nothing for your AC to tell you. But mine is a real gem and has been very sympathetic and helpful.

Right now, I am waiting for an analyst to finish reviewing my file and write a report recommending either clearance or denial. Following this, his/her supervisor reviews the decisions and writes a report as well. Then Security Division grants clearance and approves for hiring. This is what was explained to me yesterday and what is also in the GAO report I mentioned yesterday as well. So at this stage, one's background can still be investigated if there is anything the analyst needs clarified or explained, any loose ends that need to be tied, etc. And if this is the case, your AC will contact you.

What one needs to remember is that by the time one is well into one's BI--let alone in adjudication when things start winding down--the FBI has already spent literally thousands of dollars on an applicant. I have to remind myself of this all the time, but the FBI wants lots of IAs as much as I want to be one of them. It's not simply that the FBI wants to hire 800+ IAs by the end of FY 2005--which is a big goal in and of itself--it's also the difficulty in hiring people as well as internal issues like attrition. E.g., http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/04/AR2005050402185.html

Best of luck to everyone!

Yours,
Travis


Where did you get the contact info for your AC? I have never spoken to my AC. On my CO, it lists my AC's name, but the phone number they gave me is for my HR contact. I called her about a month ago to inquire about my application. She just said I am still in BI and wasn't sure when it would be done. I may possibly be in adjudication because I have heard of no activity on my BI in awhile from anyone I know. I haven't been calling my HR contact because I don't want to be a pest, but I was happy to find out things are moving forward. I may call her in a few weeks to see what is going on because I will have to decide if I want to drop my classes or start the semester. I hope I hear something before then.

[waitingindc]

Where did you get the contact info for your AC? I have never spoken to my AC. On my CO, it lists my AC's name, but the phone number they gave me is for my HR contact. I called her about a month ago to inquire about my application. She just said I am still in BI and wasn't sure when it would be done. I may possibly be in adjudication because I have heard of no activity on my BI in awhile from anyone I know. I haven't been calling my HR contact because I don't want to be a pest, but I was happy to find out things are moving forward. I may call her in a few weeks to see what is going on because I will have to decide if I want to drop my classes or start the semester. I hope I hear something before then.
My contact actually called me well into my BI to get some additional information...

[tdstolz]

Dear Diablo3305,

Some time ago there was a thread called "Are you my AC?" or something similar. I would read posts and notice people referring to their "ACs" and I didn't know what this was, or even what "AC" stood for. I found the thread helpful, so you might want to look it up.

My CO was verbal--I never got a letter or any contact info. I was told, however, to contact my FO and they would take it from there. I have been in contact with someone at my FO since Jan. or Feb. of this year, when I was still applying to IA positions. What happened is that I had left a message for the SA recruiter hoping that he could give me some advice, info., etc. I think I spoke with him once. After that, I spoke with one of his colleagues and I've been in touch with this person ever since. This person has been, for all intents and purposes, my AC--as I said, we'd already been in touch since before I got my CO.

In fact, the only time I spoke with an HR person at FBI HQ was prior to flying out to DC--maybe I spoke with her once after that, but I don't remember.

I hope this is helpful.

Yours,
Travis

[achefswife]

I've seen many of the post about "knowing" your AC. I know who my AC is, but he refers all of his calls to my local HR person.. who can be rude on occasions. He never calls me back, but the HR person does and even told me that the messages are passed on to her. So what is he really doing I might ask? I go for my poly tomorrow and I'm going to ask if I can speak with him; maybe he can give me a heads-up on my BI.

[electra1978]

I've seen many of the post about "knowing" your AC. I know who my AC is, but he refers all of his calls to my local HR person.. who can be rude on occasions. He never calls me back, but the HR person does and even told me that the messages are passed on to her. So what is he really doing I might ask? I go for my poly tomorrow and I'm going to ask if I can speak with him; maybe he can give me a heads-up on my BI.

Hey. Good luck on your poly. Be sure to let us know how it goes!

[achefswife]

I got some interesting information from my AC yesterday. One, she said that in HR's system they cannot actually tell when the field portion of the BI will be finished and adjudication actually begins. I would take that to mean that it is not a discrete process, i.e. just because someone is being adjudicated, doesn't mean that there will be no more fieldwork. Second, she said that yes, they are absolutely trying to get everyone who has had their BI started on by the end of September. Third, she said that if that is not the case, it would be most likely that anyone going through the BI would have to wait until after the first of the calendar year to be brought on, some kind of funding issue. So for those folks nearing the end of their BI's, including myself, I think it is good news. As far as everyone else, you might want to contact you AC to confirm this and see what is up with your investigation...

Is this the first of the calendar year meaning January or the first of the calendar year meaning fiscal which would be October?

[diablo3305]

Is this the first of the calendar year meaning January or the first of the calendar year meaning fiscal which would be October?


I would assume January. That is the first of the calander year.

[achefswife]

Is there a standard dress code for going to take your poly or can I/ should I just think comfortable?

[BuMan]

Is there a standard dress code for going to take your poly or can I/ should I just think comfortable?

Business casual is recommended.

[ProudDad]

Travis,
The focus of this report seemed to be concerning clearances involving law Enforcement Officials and in thext body of the report it said that the checks only go back 10 years, whereas I understood they went back to the age of 18 for FBI applicants. Has the FBI changed their focus, or is this coverage of a lesser timeframe solely utilized in clearances for LE Officials?

[achefswife]

Had my poly today along with the PSI. WHAT AN EXPERIECE!!!! Glad it's over with. It went pretty good... no drill and kill questions. Should have my results back in two weeks, but the guy that did the poly said everything looked good and that he doubts if I'll be called in to retake or anything of that nature. I was there from 8:45 until about 12:30 so it was long but not intense. Gotta go back to take my "pee" test and fingerprints because the HR rep did not think to schedule it all in the same day and of course she was out of town.

Ok here is something interesting and funny that happened. Here we are going over my clearance form and the guy says "hey I see you did not answer question such and such... any particular reason why not?" My response was "well sir they said on the letter that was mailed to me not to answere certain question so I didn't, would you like to see a copy of the letter because I have it here in my folder?" Of course his repsonse was "what they did" well I've never seen that before. So of course he takes the letter and copies it to prove that it stated that I was not supposed to answer certain questions until I got there. I'm glad I had the form with me otherwise it probably would have been some unecessary drama. Did you really think that after you did not copy my forms and I had to redo them that I was not going to come today with every piece of paper that you'd ever sent me in the mail.

And also someone mentioned that something was brought up a job when they were 17.... check this out... they actually do you BI from age 16 up. He said that all of there new forms were just all screwed up and misleading.

[ZippySuzy]

It always seems to be a problem of one hand not knowing what the other hand is doing. I ran into this during my application process and I see this every day now that I am an employee. ;)

[Gigio]

It always seems to be a problem of one hand not knowing what the other hand is doing. I ran into this during my application process and I see this every day now that I am an employee. ;)

are you still glad you took the job? is it what you thought it would be?

[ricki223]

Had my poly today along with the PSI. WHAT AN EXPERIECE!!!! Glad it's over with. It went pretty good... no drill and kill questions. Should have my results back in two weeks, but the guy that did the poly said everything looked good and that he doubts if I'll be called in to retake or anything of that nature. I was there from 8:45 until about 12:30 so it was long but not intense. Gotta go back to take my "pee" test and fingerprints because the HR rep did not think to schedule it all in the same day and of course she was out of town.

Ok here is something interesting and funny that happened. Here we are going over my clearance form and the guy says "hey I see you did not answer question such and such... any particular reason why not?" My response was "well sir they said on the letter that was mailed to me not to answere certain question so I didn't, would you like to see a copy of the letter because I have it here in my folder?" Of course his repsonse was "what they did" well I've never seen that before. So of course he takes the letter and copies it to prove that it stated that I was not supposed to answer certain questions until I got there. I'm glad I had the form with me otherwise it probably would have been some unecessary drama. Did you really think that after you did not copy my forms and I had to redo them that I was not going to come today with every piece of paper that you'd ever sent me in the mail.

And also someone mentioned that something was brought up a job when they were 17.... check this out... they actually do you BI from age 16 up. He said that all of there new forms were just all screwed up and misleading.


Congratulations on your progression through the process. I noticed that you're from Birmingham. I'm in Auburn for the time being and I was just wondering if you did your interview at the Birmingham FO and if so do you happen to have any idea if they're still doing interviews there. I've been waiting patiently hoping that I'll be called sometime for an interview but it doesn't look like thats going to happen. Just stuck at the best qualified status for about 3 weeks now. I'm beginning to think that since my background is in an unrelated field I may be left in the cold. But at least I made this far if thats the case. Nevertheless I'm happy for you and all the others that are beginning to see the light at the end of the tunnell.

[mugrad04]

Congratulations on your progression through the process. I noticed that you're from Birmingham. I'm in Auburn for the time being and I was just wondering if you did your interview at the Birmingham FO and if so do you happen to have any idea if they're still doing interviews there. I've been waiting patiently hoping that I'll be called sometime for an interview but it doesn't look like thats going to happen. Just stuck at the best qualified status for about 3 weeks now. I'm beginning to think that since my background is in an unrelated field I may be left in the cold. But at least I made this far if thats the case. Nevertheless I'm happy for you and all the others that are beginning to see the light at the end of the tunnell.



I was just wondering if anyone knew what the seven week training/school was like?

[BuMan]

I was just wondering if anyone knew what the seven week training/school was like?

I'm in it now. I can see where there's a benefit for folks new to the FBI Intelligence Program, but for my part, it's just spinning my wheels. It could be worse, it could be better.

[eff-bee-eye]

I'm in it now. I can see where there's a benefit for folks new to the FBI Intelligence Program, but for my part, it's just spinning my wheels. It could be worse, it could be better.

Buman! Welcome to the ranks heheh. I felt the same way while at the training, since I was on the job for a few years prior. It is a lot of general intel and information and exercises, and was a nice break from doing real work. It also reminded me of being back in college, with group projects, presentations, etc.

[BuMan]

This was like the fifth ring of Heck (not quite bad enough to be called Hell, but still pretty bad). While it is a break from work (sort of), it just means there's more to do when I get back to the office. Unfortunately, with just two people in my program (at the moment), it means that there's no one to really cover for the work, since we're each fully tasked (and then some) at any given moment.

We've got some real dynamic instructors...

[tdstolz]

Dear BuMan,

You're talking about ACES, correct? I heard from a couple of IAs I know that an ACES class is usually split 50/50 between IAs from HQ and FOs. In fact, one of them told me that the best part of the class was making contacts. Is this your experience?

Yours,
Travis

[BuMan]

Dear BuMan,

You're talking about ACES, correct? I heard from a couple of IAs I know that an ACES class is usually split 50/50 between IAs from HQ and FOs. In fact, one of them told me that the best part of the class was making contacts. Is this your experience?

Yours,
Travis

The ratio varies. It's about 2/3rds HQ, 1/3rd Field. Probably about 2/3rds with 18 months or less in the Bureau and a few grizzled veterans. Making contacts is good, to a point, but when it interferes with getting real work done, it's kind of congress (you know, the opposite of progress). Also, throwing people in there from a wide variety of programs means I'm meeting and dealing with people who have nothing to do with my day to day work...it's nice having some Cyber people in the class, I guess, but not terribly relevant.

[bad_timing]

Perhaps this question was already answered but how often is this training offered? I am quite sure it is dependent on how many people need to take it but I just wanted to know if the FBI has these regularly scheduled. Any thoughts?

Thanks

[TopJag]

Hi,

This my first post to this forum. I applied for the IA positions in the FO-2005-0022 announcements in March 2005. On the FBI status page it says I'm "Best Qualified" for GS-11 & 12. However, I have not been contacted. Should I contact the staffing unit at the FBI as listed on the announcement or sit tight and wait for a call? If your rated as Best Qualified, have you/will you get a call? Thanks.

TopJag

[electra1978]

I'm happy to say it went great! ...At least it seemed like it. I was a little nervous at first, but the interviewers put me at ease right away. They seemed to be impressed with my responses and I had an opportunity to ask them some questions as well which was useful.

The last interview day for the position at my FO is the 29th I'm told. Given that, when can I expect to hear back?

To those who haven't had their interview yet, best of luck!! It's not as intimidating as you might think it'll be...

[electra1978]

Hi,

This my first post to this forum. I applied for the IA positions in the FO-2005-0022 announcements in March 2005. On the FBI status page it says I'm "Best Qualified" for GS-11 & 12. However, I have not been contacted. Should I contact the staffing unit at the FBI as listed on the announcement or sit tight and wait for a call? If your rated as Best Qualified, have you/will you get a call? Thanks.

TopJag

Hi there. It's tough to say. When I asked HQ if "best qualified" was a indicator of getting a call, they told me interview calls are made for the next step up, "referred to selecting" official. But, there are people who have interviewed already and their status hasn't changed at all. I know that all interviews are supposed to be conducted by the end of July...

[ProudDad]

And conversly, I have two apps in for IA where I'm rated "Referred to Selecting Official" where I have not received a call since seeing the rating-and its been several months. I have another positoin where I interview and then saw my status as, "Not Selected" but then got a COE

[Jedburgh II]

Hi,

This my first post to this forum. I applied for the IA positions in the FO-2005-0022 announcements in March 2005. On the FBI status page it says I'm "Best Qualified" for GS-11 & 12. However, I have not been contacted. Should I contact the staffing unit at the FBI as listed on the announcement or sit tight and wait for a call? If your rated as Best Qualified, have you/will you get a call? Thanks.

TopJag
I also applied for the IA position in March, then my status changed to Best Qualified at GS-12 at the end of June. I received a call scheduling the interview one week after the change. When I was speaking to the individual who scheduled the interview, he stated that all interviews had to be complete by the end of July. And after my interview, the lead interviewer told me that the intent was to complete all hires under that announcement by the beginning of the fiscal year.

It's the last week of July now. I'd say you have nothing to lose by trying to call and find out what the situation is in your case.

[ricki223]

Hi there. It's tough to say. When I asked HQ if "best qualified" was a indicator of getting a call, they told me interview calls are made for the next step up, "referred to selecting" official. But, there are people who have interviewed already and their status hasn't changed at all. I know that all interviews are supposed to be conducted by the end of July...

I'm not really sure how much that would help to contact anyone. I'm in the same boat as you and I've contacted headquarters and 4 different FO's around me and no one seems to have a clue whats going on. HQ told me that the FO chooses from a "pool" who they want to bring in for an interview and one FO told me that HQ gives them the candidates to bring in for an interview. HQ also told me that sometimes they may just submit an offer w/o an interview (I've never heard of that happening to anyone). But all in all it sounds like they're just giving me the runaround. I'm pretty much to the point where I'm about to give up and just not worry about it anymore. But my advice to you would be to be patient (even though its easier said than done) and good luck. I won't be taking my own advice because unlike everyone else I don't have an income right now and I'm looking for something else. Sorry if I sound bitter but I don't appreciate the way that they've just blown smoke in my face when I've contacted them. Hopefully things will work out for you though.

[OrangeAlum2003]

I'm not really sure how much that would help to contact anyone. I'm in the same boat as you and I've contacted headquarters and 4 different FO's around me and no one seems to have a clue whats going on. HQ told me that the FO chooses from a "pool" who they want to bring in for an interview and one FO told me that HQ gives them the candidates to bring in for an interview. HQ also told me that sometimes they may just submit an offer w/o an interview (I've never heard of that happening to anyone). But all in all it sounds like they're just giving me the runaround. I'm pretty much to the point where I'm about to give up and just not worry about it anymore. But my advice to you would be to be patient (even though its easier said than done) and good luck. I won't be taking my own advice because unlike everyone else I don't have an income right now and I'm looking for something else. Sorry if I sound bitter but I don't appreciate the way that they've just blown smoke in my face when I've contacted them. Hopefully things will work out for you though.

I appreciate your sentiments, as I've felt the same way many a time. The process is what it is. Apparently, they have enough applicants to cover up flaws in the system, meaning the demand for the job allows them to be terribly inefficient. In any event, I would encourage you and everyone else to move on and continue doing other things. I was absolutely convinced, having seen others on the board called for interviews with no call myself, that my application was dead. Unbelievably I was called for an interview months after applying. That said there's still a strong chance that I won't make it through the entire process. There's nothing that I can do about it. the point is I guess, just because you think you're application's dead, doesn't necessarily mean it is. Just keep doing other things and your turn will come around. Heck, I might not make it through the background, and another spot will open right up. Who knows, right?

[OrangeAlum2003]

I'm curious of those of you who have applied to a FO vacancy, where have you all ended up? How many have been posted to their local FO, and how many ended up at HQ? I'm curious if anyone has been sent to an FO outside of their region. When I last spoke to the woman in staffing at my local FO, she indicated that it was pretty full, but that they were aggressively trying to fill slots at HQ. I guess that would be ok, but I'm wondering if they also send folks off to different FO's as well. If I'm going to have to leave my current home, it would be nice to move somewhere where the cost of living is a bit more favorable. I suppose moving to DC wouldn't be much of a break coming from the Bay Area. I guess the most important thing is finding a place where the work is rewarding and career advancement is possible. I can't help but think about the personal considerations as well, however.

[TopJag]

Well,

I can't believe what I saw when I logged on the FBI job site today. It had previously listed me best qualified for GS 11 and 12. Now in addition to that, it lists me "Best Qualified" for GS 13 and 14 too. Maybe, I will get an offer without an interview (with intel background and current security clearance). I called the staffing number, but its a recording to leave a message, which I did. It would be nice to get a call. Thanks for all your inputs.

TopJag

[ProudDad]

I dont know how much to trust what you see there. I received a COE for a job after the site reflected, "Not Selected" and they have yet to update the site after I got the COE letter almost 2 weeks ago

[CPD-Dispatcher]

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