Behind Door Number Three - ANOTHER FBI IA Thread!

[BuMan]

Yep, time for another one.

Experience and work history for IAs: The ACES course I'm currently in has a wide variety of backgrounds - a couple of former lawyers, a couple of retired military and a variety of folks with military intelligence experience, at least one cop, a couple of teachers, a couple of former newspaper types...in all, a very diverse background.

Backgrounds: Yep, they're working on them, trying to get them done in a reasonable time frame. Lots of applicants, lots of pressure, and very few people to process them and evaluate them.

Be patient...they are really working at getting this taken care of.

[anwalt]

In re. earlier question about article on BI duration, turns out it was a GAO report, available at <http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d04596.pdf>. Here's the money language:

"As noted earlier, the FBI’s average actual time frame for processing top
secret security clearances for state and local officials has declined since
September 11. As shown in figure 6, the average number of days for
completing a top secret security clearance application declined from
244 days in the last quarter of 2001 to 70 days in the third quarter of 2003."

Caveat: data are old and pertain to TS clearances for state and local officials.

[ricki223]

Yep, time for another one.

Experience and work history for IAs: The ACES course I'm currently in has a wide variety of backgrounds - a couple of former lawyers, a couple of retired military and a variety of folks with military intelligence experience, at least one cop, a couple of teachers, a couple of former newspaper types...in all, a very diverse background.

Backgrounds: Yep, they're working on them, trying to get them done in a reasonable time frame. Lots of applicants, lots of pressure, and very few people to process them and evaluate them.

Be patient...they are really working at getting this taken care of.

Earlier you answered a question that I had about IA's doing field work with SA's. Thanks alot for that information. It was really helpful. I was wondering if you may know of a way I can get a detailed breakdown of what certain jobs focus on such as Operations Specialist, All Source Analysts, & and Reports Officers and also the four different areas (criminal, counterterrorism, counterintelligence, & cyber). Even though I don't think I'll get a calll for an interview I still would like to to try and be prepared as possible for the potential of future possibilities.

[BuMan]

Earlier you answered a question that I had about IA's doing field work with SA's. Thanks alot for that information. It was really helpful. I was wondering if you may know of a way I can get a detailed breakdown of what certain jobs focus on such as Operations Specialist, All Source Analysts, & and Reports Officers and also the four different areas (criminal, counterterrorism, counterintelligence, & cyber). Even though I don't think I'll get a calll for an interview I still would like to to try and be prepared as possible for the potential of future possibilities.

It's important to remember that the jobs will vary with wherever you are. In a larger field office, you might be assigned to a particular squad that works a specific focus within an area. For example, you might work as a Reports Officer working Domestic Terrorism within a larger field division. In a small field division, however, the FIG might work the entire range of matters and you may be a Reports Officer for the FIG.

Generally, though, the RO position handles information coming in from investigative personnel (the collectors, if you will), reviews and sanitizes the information, then prepares an IIR to send out to the appropriate target audience. That might be the Intelligence Community, the public safety community or some combination thereof.

All-Source Analysts work on longer view items, such as Intelligence Bulletins and Intelligence Assessments, which may be national in scope (typically, for a headquarters analyst), or a regional focus (for field office analysts). A lot more research and writing involved with this particular role, with less direct involvement in individual cases.

An Operations Specialist is kind of the bridge between the long-term view of the All Source folks and the operational personnel (agents), working with them on cases and specific investigations.

The investigative fields are pretty straight-forward - CT, CI, Criminal and Cyber. You can get a feel for those through the FBI website...just search intelligence and you'll see a wealth of information.

[tdstolz]

Dear BuMan,

Thanks, as always. I certainly don't envy the analysts going over all of our cases! I must say as well that I am really pleased how quickly my BI has proceeded. No complaints.

Do you find, then, that BIs for FY 2005 IAs are generally taking less than the "6 to 9 months" one is often told? Also, since the interviews are done in stages (following the job announcements), are adjudications done in stages, too? E.g., I got a CO for the Feb. HQ-2005-0008 announcement. Are the BIs that were begun in, say, March or April finished before more recently begun BIs?

Well, thanks again. I don't mind the waiting too much, but I am still trying to get a handle on the process, how it works, what to expect and when, etc. Then again, "the waiting is the hardest part."

Yours,
TDS

[BuMan]

Dear BuMan,

Thanks, as always. I certainly don't envy the analysts going over all of our cases! I must say as well that I am really pleased how quickly my BI has proceeded. No complaints.

Do you find, then, that BIs for FY 2005 IAs are generally taking less than the "6 to 9 months" one is often told? Also, since the interviews are done in stages (following the job announcements), are adjudications done in stages, too? E.g., I got a CO for the Feb. HQ-2005-0008 announcement. Are the BIs that were begun in, say, March or April finished before more recently begun BIs?

Well, thanks again. I don't mind the waiting too much, but I am still trying to get a handle on the process, how it works, what to expect and when, etc. Then again, "the waiting is the hardest part."

Yours,
TDS

Don't know how long they are taking. I generally don't see a lot of the packets for consideration (just folks who the DI thinks meet my needs), and those have varied from ready-to-hire to just put in. Since I'm in class all day everyday, I don't recall exactly what the status and dates for some of those candidates are. From what I understand, the applicants packages go to ajudication when the background is completed, not in arbitrary groups of people.

[bad_timing]

Don't know how long they are taking. I generally don't see a lot of the packets for consideration (just folks who the DI thinks meet my needs), and those have varied from ready-to-hire to just put in. Since I'm in class all day everyday, I don't recall exactly what the status and dates for some of those candidates are. From what I understand, the applicants packages go to ajudication when the background is completed, not in arbitrary groups of people.

That would explain the bottleneck of applicants in adjudication then. Without any specific order, the stacks of case files awaiting review are probably piling up on someones desk.

[tdstolz]

Dear BuMan,

My continued thanks for your replies. I'm still unclear, though, what to think of those of us who got our COs in March or April and those who got them more recently. I'm 3.5 months into my BI and awaiting the analysts at HQ to finish their final review and grant clearance. Is it reasonable to expect this and for me to get my EOD in a week, a month, five months?

As I said, I'm still trying to understand how the process works. I do trust the process and I know the FBI wants us on board as much as we want to get there. If I didn't trust the process and ultimately the FBI itself I don't suppose I would want to work for them. But if I'm still waiting after nearly four months and some people only got their COs in June or July, will there be some massive mad dash to clear off the desks and get us all in by the end of September (considering we're FY 2005 hires)?

As you said, getting frustrated won't speed things up. And I truly appreciate the work the analysts and everyone else involved with BIs do. I certainly do not envy them and I suspect their work is often overlooked and under appreciated. Still, as a parent especially, it is an anxious time. Our kids are little so the upheaval quite honestly won't be that great. But there is still school registration to consider for our oldest, as well as not being able to do anything with a couple of places we really like as far as housing goes. We're still sitting on our hands... I know I'm not alone.

I know the FBI wants us to get our EODs and bring us on board. I'm sure Director Mueller wants nothing more than to give a glowing report to Pres. Bush and Congress. And I know we all want to be a part of the FBI's success now and in the future.

(Good thing I'm not frustrated, eh?)

Thanks,
TDS

[bad_timing]

Dear BuMan,

My continued thanks for your replies. I'm still unclear, though, what to think of those of us who got our COs in March or April and those who got them more recently. I'm 3.5 months into my BI and awaiting the analysts at HQ to finish their final review and grant clearance. Is it reasonable to expect this and for me to get my EOD in a week, a month, five months?

As I said, I'm still trying to understand how the process works. I do trust the process and I know the FBI wants us on board as much as we want to get there. If I didn't trust the process and ultimately the FBI itself I don't suppose I would want to work for them. But if I'm still waiting after nearly four months and some people only got their COs in June or July, will there be some massive mad dash to clear off the desks and get us all in by the end of September (considering we're FY 2005 hires)?

As you said, getting frustrated won't speed things up. And I truly appreciate the work the analysts and everyone else involved with BIs do. I certainly do not envy them and I suspect their work is often overlooked and under appreciated. Still, as a parent especially, it is an anxious time. Our kids are little so the upheaval quite honestly won't be that great. But there is still school registration to consider for our oldest, as well as not being able to do anything with a couple of places we really like as far as housing goes. We're still sitting on our hands... I know I'm not alone.

I know the FBI wants us to get our EODs and bring us on board. I'm sure Director Mueller wants nothing more than to give a glowing report to Pres. Bush and Congress. And I know we all want to be a part of the FBI's success now and in the future.

(Good thing I'm not frustrated, eh?)

Thanks,
TDS

TDS-

I can totally empathize with your situation. Although, I do not have any children, my angst lies with my current job. It has become increasingly difficult for me to go into work knowing that my dream job with the FBI is just out of my reach. I am a bit behind you in the process but I certainly share your concerns and frustrations.

I know that all of the folks on the inside are working as hard as they can and I am sure that the FBI wants us on board as much as we want to be onboard but that doesn't make the waiting any easier. I suppose that is the good thing about this board. We have the opportunity to share our experiences and frustrations throughout this process. Not to mention, providing one another with support and feedback. With that said, I will end this post with the most common and worn out cliche that there is...Never give up, it will happen!

[diablo3305]

TDS-

I can totally empathize with your situation. Although, I do not have any children, my angst lies with my current job. It has become increasingly difficult for me to go into work knowing that my dream job with the FBI is just out of my reach. I am a bit behind you in the process but I certainly share your concerns and frustrations.



Thats kind of where I am too. I hate going into my job these days, especially knowing I probably won't be there much longer, they are making big cut backs and I know my time is coming soon. I'm about 4 months into my BI and hoping something happens soon.

Even tougher though is my grad school situation. I am registered for fall classes just in case the FBI offer falls through or doesn't come in time. I have until Aug 26th to cancel and get 100% of my money back. After that it drops 25% per week until by the end of september I get nothing back. My fear is that I will be called after I start and lose all that money I spent on grad school classes. If I don't take them and the offer falls through, I will be a great deal behind in my program and I won't finish when I want to. Just hoping each day that I get a call so I can cancel my classes and get started. Luckily I can start immediatly (I could start tomorrow if they wanted me to), so I hopefully should be able to get in there pretty fast after my final offer comes through (hopefully it does). Tough situation, but I am sitting tight and hoping for the best. I might call up in a week or two and see where things are. Last time I talked to my HR contact back at the end of june she said I was still in BI. I haven't heard a word since then.

[tdstolz]

Dear Bad Timing and Diablo3305,

Thanks! It's good to know the process is moving forward, even if not as quickly as I might like. I know the FBI knows what it's doing and that in the long run this will all seem like no big deal.

[OhioLaw]

My quickhire has been updated today in an odd way. Has anyone else experienced a change?

[diablo3305]

My quickhire has been updated today in an odd way. Has anyone else experienced a change?


nope, whats the update?

[bad_timing]

My quickhire has been updated today in an odd way. Has anyone else experienced a change?

What did it say???

[OhioLaw]

nope, whats the update?
Well, I can't figure it out and I hope it is not as bad as it sounds.

I was previously listed as
GS7/ Eligible
GS9/ Best Qualified

I had the interview at my local field office almost 2 weeks ago.

Today it has been changed to
GS7/ Not among the highest qualified; not referred. Management has the discretion to broaden the hiring area; therefore consideration could be granted at a later date.

GS9/ Best Qualified

So, I don't really understand what this means. I am hoping that I am still in the running for the GS9, but it is hard to understand how I could be Best Qualified for a higher level than one I am not among the highest qualified for. :o
I sort of believe that it is just something they put in there and it doesn't really apply to me. I had already been referred to the selecting official on the GS9 about 2 months ago. Then it went to Best Qualifed, then I had my interview.

[diablo3305]

Well, I can't figure it out and I hope it is not as bad as it sounds.

I was previously listed as
GS7/ Eligible
GS9/ Best Qualified

I had the interview at my local field office almost 2 weeks ago.

Today it has been changed to
GS7/ Not among the highest qualified; not referred. Management has the discretion to broaden the hiring area; therefore consideration could be granted at a later date.

GS9/ Best Qualified

So, I don't really understand what this means. I am hoping that I am still in the running for the GS9, but it is hard to understand how I could be Best Qualified for a higher level than one I am not among the highest qualified for. :o


I got not among highest qualified for one of my applications, the others were either cancelled or referred to selecting official. Who knows, It probably depends who evaluates your application.

[OrangeAlum2003]

Well, I can't figure it out and I hope it is not as bad as it sounds.

I was previously listed as
GS7/ Eligible
GS9/ Best Qualified

I had the interview at my local field office almost 2 weeks ago.

Today it has been changed to
GS7/ Not among the highest qualified; not referred. Management has the discretion to broaden the hiring area; therefore consideration could be granted at a later date.

GS9/ Best Qualified

So, I don't really understand what this means. I am hoping that I am still in the running for the GS9, but it is hard to understand how I could be Best Qualified for a higher level than one I am not among the highest qualified for. :o

No change for me. I'm still listed as best qualified for GS-9 and Referred to Selecting Official for GS-11. In the comments section beside GS-11, it also says referred to selecting official.

I've learned over the past few months that the subtle changes in Quickhire don't amount to much. A couple of months ago I was "downgraded" from referred to application received. A couple of weeks later it went back to referred and finally I was called after about 3 months. Who knows?

[bad_timing]

Well, I can't figure it out and I hope it is not as bad as it sounds.

I was previously listed as
GS7/ Eligible
GS9/ Best Qualified

I had the interview at my local field office almost 2 weeks ago.

Today it has been changed to
GS7/ Not among the highest qualified; not referred. Management has the discretion to broaden the hiring area; therefore consideration could be granted at a later date.

GS9/ Best Qualified

So, I don't really understand what this means. I am hoping that I am still in the running for the GS9, but it is hard to understand how I could be Best Qualified for a higher level than one I am not among the highest qualified for. :o

Ohio-

Mine says the samething for one of my applications...verbatim. For the other two it says "Superior Academic Achievement. Verification Required." The other one it says "Referred to Selecting Official." This is strange because I'm basically waiting for my FO. Weird, to say the least. My nerves are shot! :cool:

[OhioLaw]

Ohio-

Mine says the samething for one of my applications...verbatim. For the other two it says "Superior Academic Achievement. Verification Required." The other one it says "Referred to Selecting Official." This is strange because I'm basically waiting for my FO. Weird, to say the least. My nerves are shot! :cool:
Did yours just change today? That is the first I have heard of the Superior Academic Achievement thing. What did you do to get that put on there?

[bad_timing]

Did yours just change today? That is the first I have heard of the Superior Academic Achievement thing. What did you do to get that put on there?

Yes, it changed today. In fact, I only checked it after I read your initial post. The superior academic achievement has been there since April of this year. I'm genuinely confused :o

[dublin]

I am in the same boat as the rest of the April interviewees...Waiting and hoping...

My buddy just got a call from someone at HQ asking for clarification regarding a question during his conversation with a man doing my BI. The question was rather odd and i was wondering what others thought of it. (((I guess it is good that my application is at HQ and out of the FO))).

He asked my buddy if there has been anything that I have done in my past that i should have been arrested for, but wasn't.

Kinda spooky if you ask me. There is nothing in my past that would warrant this kind of question, and nothing or no-one that i can think of that would even think or say anything like that to a BI investigator...

Do you think this is just part of the normal BI, or should i open a Yoga Center for the terminally stressed IA-applicants?

thanks for the advise. Good luck waiting to all in the same boat.

dublin

[OhioLaw]

Yes, it changed today. In fact, I only checked it after I read your initial post. The superior academic achievement has been there since April of this year. I'm genuinely confused :o
Which grades did you apply to? Is the one that says you were not referred a higher or lower grade than the one you were Best Qualified for? I just think that it is really odd that I was not referred for a GS7, but interviewed and Best Qualifed for a GS9. I was wondering if this happened to anyone one else here.

[PEACE]

Do you think this is just part of the normal BI, or should i open a Yoga Center for the terminally stressed IA-applicants?

Dublin -

Hahahaha - there is a tea shop down on E. 6th just south of Grand in DSM where you could center your chi while you wait bro.

[bad_timing]

Which grades did you apply to? Is the one that says you were not referred a higher or lower grade than the one you were Best Qualified for? I just think that it is really odd that I was not referred for a GS7, but interviewed and Best Qualifed for a GS9. I was wondering if this happened to anyone one else here.

On all three of the different annoncements I only applied for a GS-7.

[mugrad04]

I got not among highest qualified for one of my applications, the others were either cancelled or referred to selecting official. Who knows, It probably depends who evaluates your application.


I just checked my application status online through quickhire and it stills says "referred to selecting official." I'm three months into my BI. Should I be worried that my status hasn't changed or is this just one of those things?

[TampaBarb]

Today it has been changed to
GS7/ Not among the highest qualified; not referred. Management has the discretion to broaden the hiring area; therefore consideration could be granted at a later date.

GS9/ Best Qualified



Mine is very similar! Though I haven't gotten the interview call. Today they changed my GS7 to the exact message you got and I'm still at "referred to selecting official" for GS9. Which I take to mean that they haven't ruled me out yet (as of today...) but they haven't decided to ask me in either. I have a master's degree but have a completely different background so this doesn't surprise me...still hoping that they will have *some* interviews forthcoming and they weren't all completed last month. It is strange that I'm not among the highest qualified for GS7 though.

I need the IA applicant yoga...and the spa treatment...

[diablo3305]

I just checked my application status online through quickhire and it stills says "referred to selecting official." I'm three months into my BI. Should I be worried that my status hasn't changed or is this just one of those things?


just one of those things, mine is the same and im 4 months in.

[Gigio]

I just checked my application status online through quickhire and it stills says "referred to selecting official." I'm three months into my BI. Should I be worried that my status hasn't changed or is this just one of those things?

good idea not to put too much stock in the quickhire notes, even though it's hard not to. i have a start date but my app still says "referred to selecting official."

[Kristin]

Today it has been changed to
GS7/ Not among the highest qualified; not referred. Management has the discretion to broaden the hiring area; therefore consideration could be granted at a later date.

I received the exact same change of status today. I am very upset about it.

FYI: I have received the status "Not among the highest qualified; not referred." without the other message for another job that I applied for. So maybe there is still some hope for me.

[Colonials322]

Has anyone who interviewed in July heard anything yet?

[darkstar]

Well, I can't figure it out and I hope it is not as bad as it sounds.

I was previously listed as
GS7/ Eligible
GS9/ Best Qualified

I had the interview at my local field office almost 2 weeks ago.

Today it has been changed to
GS7/ Not among the highest qualified; not referred. Management has the discretion to broaden the hiring area; therefore consideration could be granted at a later date.

GS9/ Best Qualified

So, I don't really understand what this means. I am hoping that I am still in the running for the GS9, but it is hard to understand how I could be Best Qualified for a higher level than one I am not among the highest qualified for. :o
I sort of believe that it is just something they put in there and it doesn't really apply to me. I had already been referred to the selecting official on the GS9 about 2 months ago. Then it went to Best Qualifed, then I had my interview.

i just checked mine, says the exact same thing for the same grades... i just had my interview last friday, so i have no idea what that means... guess i'll just wait it out, nothing much else i can do...

[larryd7593]

As many of you noted there have been some changes to the status of a lot of us....thought I would pass along my correspondence with the FBI...


As of 8/3/05 my status on the Quickhire site had the following comments…

Grade 07:Not among the highest qualified. Not among the highest qualified; not referred. Management has the discretion to broaden the hiring area; therefore consideration could be granted at a later date.

Grade 09:Not among the highest qualified. Not among the highest qualified; not referred. Management has the discretion to broaden the hiring area; therefore consideration could be granted at a later date.

Grade 11:Best Qualified No Comment

Grade 12:Not among the highest qualified. Not among the highest qualified; not referred. Management has the discretion to broaden the hiring area; therefore consideration could be granted at a later date.

MY QUESTION TO THE E-MAIL ADDRESS LISTED IN THE ORIGINAL JOB POSTING:

Does this mean I am still being considered for GS-11? I understand not being considered for GS-12, but If I am not considered for GS-7 or GS-9 does that eliminate me as as qualified for GS-11? I know you are busy and probably flooded with e-mails but any information you can provide would be tremendous.
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RESPONSE FROM THE FBI:

You are correct. The GS11 is the only one for which you are being considered. Continue to monitor your vacancy status regarding the GS 11.
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My conclusion is they are narrowing everyone down the the position they are MOST qualified for and giving that info on to selecting officials so they have less to wade through....but thats just my $.02!

[ricki223]

I just checked my status and it is still the same; Grade 7 Not Eligible PSIN, Grade 9 Best Qualified No Comment. I hope this means that they still plan on conducting interviews but I'm still trying not to get my hopes up.

[BuMan]

He asked my buddy if there has been anything that I have done in my past that i should have been arrested for, but wasn't.

Kinda spooky if you ask me. There is nothing in my past that would warrant this kind of question, and nothing or no-one that i can think of that would even think or say anything like that to a BI investigator...

Do you think this is just part of the normal BI, or should i open a Yoga Center for the terminally stressed IA-applicants?

Standard question. Nothing to worry about. The background investigator will, of course, look for arrests adn convictions, but there are behaviors which go undetected by law enforcement which are criminal in nature. It's really to elicit any responses on behavior not part of your permanent file which would reflect upon your personal character and suitability.

[OhioLaw]

As many of you noted there have been some changes to the status of a lot of us....thought I would pass along my correspondence with the FBI...


As of 8/3/05 my status on the Quickhire site had the following comments…

Grade 07:Not among the highest qualified. Not among the highest qualified; not referred. Management has the discretion to broaden the hiring area; therefore consideration could be granted at a later date.

Grade 09:Not among the highest qualified. Not among the highest qualified; not referred. Management has the discretion to broaden the hiring area; therefore consideration could be granted at a later date.

Grade 11:Best Qualified No Comment

Grade 12:Not among the highest qualified. Not among the highest qualified; not referred. Management has the discretion to broaden the hiring area; therefore consideration could be granted at a later date.

MY QUESTION TO THE E-MAIL ADDRESS LISTED IN THE ORIGINAL JOB POSTING:

Does this mean I am still being considered for GS-11? I understand not being considered for GS-12, but If I am not considered for GS-7 or GS-9 does that eliminate me as as qualified for GS-11? I know you are busy and probably flooded with e-mails but any information you can provide would be tremendous.
--------------------------------------------------------------
RESPONSE FROM THE FBI:

You are correct. The GS11 is the only one for which you are being considered. Continue to monitor your vacancy status regarding the GS 11.
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My conclusion is they are narrowing everyone down the the position they are MOST qualified for and giving that info on to selecting officials so they have less to wade through....but thats just my $.02!
Good post there Larry. That makes me feel better now. :)

[electra1978]

i just checked mine, says the exact same thing for the same grades... i just had my interview last friday, so i have no idea what that means... guess i'll just wait it out, nothing much else i can do...

I just checked my QuickHire status and it's still the same:

GS-07: Best Qualified
GS-09: Referred to Selecting Official

From what Larryd posted though, it does seem that HQ is focusing more on updating Quickhire so maybe changes are in store for the rest of us soon..

[waitingindc]

I spoke to my AC a couple of days ago about never having received a written version of my CO letter. So she sent one to me as I requested. When the verbal CO was made she indicated that I would be at the GS 9 level, but that the step could be negotiated. She also said that they were impressed with my qualifications, and there should be no hurdles to getting me on asap if my BI came out fine.

So I get this letter and the first thing it says is that I am being given a GS 9 Step 1, which pretty much means that there will be no salary negotiation. Second, and most alarming, the CO said that I was actually chosen as an alternate to a position, and that my appointment would be conditional on another applicants not getting through the BI.

Buman, if you see this, can you please help me. I am now four months into my BI, five months into the process, and I see that all of this could have been one massive waste of time. Even if I pass the BI, I still might not actually have a position. What the *#($ is going on?!?!?! I thought the FBI needed qualified people. Someone please help!!! ;) ;) ;) ;)

[OhioLaw]

DC,
Wow, that really sucks. That might just be something they put into the letters to cover themselves though. That way nobody can say they were guaranteed a position. I bet you get in.

[bad_timing]

I spoke to my AC a couple of days ago about never having received a written version of my CO letter. So she sent one to me as I requested. When the verbal CO was made she indicated that I would be at the GS 9 level, but that the step could be negotiated. She also said that they were impressed with my qualifications, and there should be no hurdles to getting me on asap if my BI came out fine.

So I get this letter and the first thing it says is that I am being given a GS 9 Step 1, which pretty much means that there will be no salary negotiation. Second, and most alarming, the CO said that I was actually chosen as an alternate to a position, and that my appointment would be conditional on another applicants not getting through the BI.

Buman, if you see this, can you please help me. I am now four months into my BI, five months into the process, and I see that all of this could have been one massive waste of time. Even if I pass the BI, I still might not actually have a position. What the *#($ is going on?!?!?! I thought the FBI needed qualified people. Someone please help!!! ;) ;) ;) ;)

My CO letter says I will be only be offered a position if there is one funded and available. DC, does your CO actually spell out alternate?

[waitingindc]

My CO letter says I will be only be offered a position if there is one funded and available. DC, does your CO actually spell out alternate?
Yes, "Please note that you have been selected as an alternate candidate for the position for which you have applied. Therefore, your final appointment is contingent upon the successful (shouldn't it be unsuccessful) completion of another's background processing."

Then it says that it is contingent upon the existence of a vacancy of the funded position for which you have applied...

[diablo3305]

Yes, "Please note that you have been selected as an alternate candidate for the position for which you have applied. Therefore, your final appointment is contingent upon the successful (shouldn't it be unsuccessful) completion of another's background processing."

Then it says that it is contingent upon the existence of a vacancy of the funded position for which you have applied...


I think they just mean that the other persons BI is completed, not that its favorable. I think your stuck in limbo until the primary is dropped.

[OhioLaw]

I think they just mean that the other persons BI is completed, not that its favorable. I think your stuck in limbo until the primary is dropped.
I just can't believe that it is between him and someone else. I mean there are 500 positions open. Surely they will be able to plug him in somewhere.

[forms]

Yes, "Please note that you have been selected as an alternate candidate for the position for which you have applied. Therefore, your final appointment is contingent upon the successful (shouldn't it be unsuccessful) completion of another's background processing." Then it says that it is contingent upon the existence of a vacancy of the funded position for which you have applied...

I think some of that is just to cover their legal behinds. They don't want you taking the letter to a lawyer after having your BI come out good and demanding a job. Hey, there's no funding...

Also, when I interviewed in Aug 2004, the interviewer told me with disgust that about 40% of the people he was selecting were being denied clearances. He was fed up with that because he didn't believe they were all legitimate denials, but of course he could do nothing about it. They were selecting twice as many people as needed so that when the candidates were denied, they had a chance at having someone else able to step in without having to wait another year and a half. He was frustrated. He needed people NOW and was having trouble filling his slots.

Somewhere I heard though (here I think) that they reevaluated the BI approval process and are not flunking so many people on BIs any more. Is any of this true? Are about 40% being flunked or are they losing 40% because of flunking BIs and candidates getting tired and accepting other jobs? Probably most people who get this far in the process are more or less clean so the 40% flunking seems high. But who knows?

In any case what with applicants giving up and taking other jobs and with others flunking, maybe you have a 50/50 chance (just pulling a number out of the air--I actually know nothing) of getting the job as an alternate. And when the next round of job announcements comes out, I'm guessing, speculating, that you would be premier because your BI is done.

All speculation though. Maybe someone knows more about it.

As for the quickhire comments. I got a verbal job offer last week for FO-2005-0022, I went from Referred to Selecting Official before the interview to Best Qualified after the interview to back to Referred to Selecting Official. It would be nice if the Bureau listed the possible comments and what they mean, but <shrug>. Except for the ineligible and the PSIN and the Not Referred, I don't think they actually mean much--which isn't to say I wasn't disappointed to lose my Best Qualified. I liked seeing Best Qualified there.

Just keep on. I've already decided that if I am not on board by Feb I'm enrolling in Speech Pathologist school which will start in Sept. In 22 months I'll be qualified. My neighbor hires SP's for the school system and says she can't even hire when she offers $50 an hour because there are so few of them. So I try to imagine myself making $60 an hour in 3 years and that kind of helps with the agony of waiting. Of course, sometimes I think that should be just about the time the bureau sets up my start date. :idea:

Does anyone else have alternate plans?

[diablo3305]

I just can't believe that it is between him and someone else. I mean there are 500 positions open. Surely they will be able to plug him in somewhere.


I would hope so, qualified people should get in. But I believe they expect a certain number of people to not get a security clearance, meaning they have to have backups for that position if one fails.

[OrangeAlum2003]

I just can't believe that it is between him and someone else. I mean there are 500 positions open. Surely they will be able to plug him in somewhere.

Yeah, that would be absurd. I think it's more legal jargon. Positions contingent upon security clearances always have to be qualified clearly, otherwise people misunderstand and disputes arise. I can't believe that there's only one position in the entire Bureau for which he's being considered.

[darkstar]

Does anyone else have alternate plans?

not so much alternate since i've been in grad school since '00, but i'm starting to focus harder on completing my phd... maybe have it done in the next 18 mos or so...

also, for those of you waiting for information obtained from a live person, i just got off the phone w/ HR @ my local FO... she seemed genuinely puzzled at the "not referred, consideration might be granted @ a later date" comment on the bureau's website... i prodded a little bit, and she offered that since i'm "best qualified" for the gs9 and "referred to selecting official" for the gs11 that possibly i got the "not referred" status for the gs7 b/c i'm "overly qualified" (her words) for the position... she said she would make a phone call to HQ and find out what it means (and she took my ph#, which means i might even get a call back)... the important thing is that she did not believe that it was an indication that i (or anyone else w/ similar messages) am being removed from consideration from all positions with a higher grade than the "not referred" grade... i also asked about the probability of getting a CO... she said that, in general, given the bureau's needs at this point anyone who receives an interview has a good shot at getting a CO, but that the decision as to who goes on to the next level is ultimately made @ HQ... all offices had to have their interviewing completed and results forwarded to HQ by 7/29... while not wanting to give me a definite time frame, she stated that i should hear something (one way or the other) w/in 4 weeks, but probably sooner... hope all this is usefull...

[OhioLaw]

Good work Darkstar :cool:

[anwalt]

Quickhire is "down for maintenance." What could it mean?!?

I am NOT paranoid and, no, the wait isn't getting to me . . .

[OhioLaw]

Quickhire is "down for maintenance." What could it mean?!?

I am NOT paranoid and, no, the wait isn't getting to me . . .
All that quickhire being down means is that the vacancy is cancelled. No biggie :p :p :p

[electra1978]

not so much alternate since i've been in grad school since '00, but i'm starting to focus harder on completing my phd... maybe have it done in the next 18 mos or so...

also, for those of you waiting for information obtained from a live person, i just got off the phone w/ HR @ my local FO... she seemed genuinely puzzled at the "not referred, consideration might be granted @ a later date" comment on the bureau's website... i prodded a little bit, and she offered that since i'm "best qualified" for the gs9 and "referred to selecting official" for the gs11 that possibly i got the "not referred" status for the gs7 b/c i'm "overly qualified" (her words) for the position... she said she would make a phone call to HQ and find out what it means (and she took my ph#, which means i might even get a call back)... the important thing is that she did not believe that it was an indication that i (or anyone else w/ similar messages) am being removed from consideration from all positions with a higher grade than the "not referred" grade... i also asked about the probability of getting a CO... she said that, in general, given the bureau's needs at this point anyone who receives an interview has a good shot at getting a CO, but that the decision as to who goes on to the next level is ultimately made @ HQ... all offices had to have their interviewing completed and results forwarded to HQ by 7/29... while not wanting to give me a definite time frame, she stated that i should hear something (one way or the other) w/in 4 weeks, but probably sooner... hope all this is usefull...

Darkstar you ROCK! That was super helpful...

[electra1978]

All that quickhire being down means is that the vacancy is cancelled. No biggie :p :p :p

Down until 6 pm.... Oh Lord... If they cancel the vacancy I will SCREAM... Maybe they're updating everyone's status, or even better, adding even more great positions that we can apply for.... :D

[diablo3305]

Down until 6 pm.... Oh Lord... If they cancel the vacancy I will SCREAM... Maybe they're updating everyone's status, or even better, adding even more great positions that we can apply for.... :D


naa, they shouldn't have to take down the system to update that data, its probably some sort of system update.

[anwalt]

". . . or even better, adding even more great positions that we can apply for.... :D[/QUOTE]




. . . and obsess over.

[bad_timing]

...I think I said it best when I said that my nerves are shot. :cool:

[electra1978]

...I think I said it best when I said that my nerves are shot. :cool:

I hear ya badtiming. Mine are definitely getting frayed.

Plus, I like a lot of people here am starting to hate my current job, and want nothing more in life than to eventually get that FO...

[achefswife]

I think they are updating the system because of all the interviews that took place towards the end of July. I finally go on Monday to do my fingerprints and drug screening.

[OrangeAlum2003]

I hear ya badtiming. Mine are definitely getting frayed.

Plus, I like a lot of people here am starting to hate my current job, and want nothing more in life than to eventually get that FO...

Does hoping for the IA position make it easier to dislike your job? I am in a relatively stable position myself, with a job that pays well but is not all that terribly interesting. It keeps my mind busy enough, though, so that 8-10 hours goes by fairly quickly, usually. I'm really looking for an opportunity, however, to do work that makes me feel like I make a difference in the world. That said if I don't get the FBI job it's not the end of the world, and I'll be perfectly fine doing what I'm doing for a while. I learned through a couple of past experiences that getting your hopes so high over something that is so tenuous really just sets you up for disappointment. I hope it works out, but the only thing that causes me anxiety is not knowing where to move my family.

[electra1978]

Does hoping for the IA position make it easier to dislike your job? I am in a relatively stable position myself, with a job that pays well but is not all that terribly interesting. It keeps my mind busy enough, though, so that 8-10 hours goes by fairly quickly, usually. I'm really looking for an opportunity, however, to do work that makes me feel like I make a difference in the world. That said if I don't get the FBI job it's not the end of the world, and I'll be perfectly fine doing what I'm doing for a while. I learned through a couple of past experiences that getting your hopes so high over something that is so tenuous really just sets you up for disappointment. I hope it works out, but the only thing that causes me anxiety is not knowing where to move my family.

I'll be honest. The job I'm at is a contract position, and it's not something I would have wanted to do longterm anyway. I'm WAY over qualified for what I'm doing and my boss and colleagues are very much aware of that and have become my cheerleaders in this whole application process. Of course hearing "Have you heard anything yet" several times a day on a daily basis is a little bit frustrating. They can't understand why it's taking so long...

[OrangeAlum2003]

I'll be honest. The job I'm at is a contract position, and it's not something I would have wanted to do longterm anyway. I'm WAY over qualified for what I'm doing and my boss and colleagues are very much aware of that and have become my cheerleaders in this whole application process. Of course hearing "Have you heard anything yet" several times a day on a daily basis is a little bit frustrating. They can't understand why it's taking so long...

Well, if they're asking that now, eventually their voices will get hoarse, because you and I and most everyone on this board have at least another 4 months of waiting, assuming we go further in the process. I hope the talk of the Bureau trying to decrease the fail rate of security clearance applications is accurate. I've heard so many horror stories (first-hand accounts) of people being denied security clearances for ridiculous things. The FBI seems to have that sort of reputation from what I can tell. You obviously have to be careful about whom you hire, but no one has lived a perfect life. It's no shock that they've failed miserably at meeting hiring goals in the last couple of years.

[electra1978]

Well, if they're asking that now, eventually their voices will get hoarse, because you and I and most everyone on this board have at least another 4 months of waiting, assuming we go further in the process. I hope the talk of the Bureau trying to decrease the fail rate of security clearance applications is accurate. I've heard so many horror stories (first-hand accounts) of people being denied security clearances for ridiculous things. The FBI seems to have that sort of reputation from what I can tell. You obviously have to be careful about whom you hire, but no one has lived a perfect life. It's no shock that they've failed miserably at meeting hiring goals in the last couple of years.

That's exactly what I keep telling them. I'm prepared to deal with even another 6 months of waiting as long as things progress. I want this too badly to give up, but I am TRYING to keep a level head and not get my hopes up too high. I do have another FBI application in the pipeline for a job at my FO but that is still marked as "application received."

Were the people denied clearances applying for FBI positions?

[mugrad04]

Does hoping for the IA position make it easier to dislike your job? I am in a relatively stable position myself, with a job that pays well but is not all that terribly interesting. It keeps my mind busy enough, though, so that 8-10 hours goes by fairly quickly, usually. I'm really looking for an opportunity, however, to do work that makes me feel like I make a difference in the world. That said if I don't get the FBI job it's not the end of the world, and I'll be perfectly fine doing what I'm doing for a while. I learned through a couple of past experiences that getting your hopes so high over something that is so tenuous really just sets you up for disappointment. I hope it works out, but the only thing that causes me anxiety is not knowing where to move my family.


Yes, I think hoping for the IA position makes it a lot easier to dislike your current job. Ever since they came to my current work to do the BI, my boss has been asking me if I know anything and when I will be leaving because she doesn't want to give me any more work if I won't be there to complete it. I was reading the previous posts about the written CO's that every one has received. I received a verbal CO and when I asked my HR contact at the FO near my home about not receiving a written one, she said that they were only giving out verbal ones but it seems from reading others postings-every one is getting a written copy. Should I be concerned? I guess I'm just paranoid about the BI taking so long and not hearing anything at all about where I am in the whole jumbo of things.

[OrangeAlum2003]

That's exactly what I keep telling them. I'm prepared to deal with even another 6 months of waiting as long as things progress. I want this too badly to give up, but I am TRYING to keep a level head and not get my hopes up too high. I do have another FBI application in the pipeline for a job at my FO but that is still marked as "application received."

Were the people denied clearances applying for FBI positions?

A friend of mine from grad school received a Presidential Management Fellowship appointment, which only a couple hundred grad students across the country receive each year. There are many agencies that hire PMF's (it's a two-year appointment that starts as a GS-9 and ends as a GS-12 after 2 years). There are many opportunities for training and rotation across agencies/departments. In any event, he interviewed with the FBI and was offered an IA position. As a PMF you get one year to get hired, after which time the PMF designation expires. Well, his background was months along, and getting close to the time for his PMF to expire. During an interview with an investigator he mentioned that he had once bumped into a car in a parking garage and had not left a note. I have never done this myself, and don't condone that action, but I certainly don't think it warrants a national security risk worth denying a security clearance. His clearance was denied and he lost his PMF. He is now close to entering onto duty with the CIA. Apparently bumping into parked cars isn't as big a deal in the CIA.

[electra1978]

A friend of mine from grad school received a Presidential Management Fellowship appointment, which only a couple hundred grad students across the country receive each year. There are many agencies that hire PMF's (it's a two-year appointment that starts as a GS-9 and ends as a GS-12 after 2 years). There are many opportunities for training and rotation across agencies/departments. In any event, he interviewed with the FBI and was offered an IA position. As a PMF you get one year to get hired, after which time the PMF designation expires. Well, his background was months along, and getting close to the time for his PMF to expire. During an interview with an investigator he mentioned that he had once bumped into a car in a parking garage and had not left a note. I have never done this myself, and don't condone that action, but I certainly don't think it warrants a national security risk worth denying a security clearance. His clearance was denied and he lost his PMF. He is now close to entering onto duty with the CIA. Apparently bumping into parked cars isn't as big a deal in the CIA.

Wow...Yeah, that wasn't a very nice thing to do, but that's a little ridiculous to deny someone a security clearance over that small of an incident... Well, hopefully the FBI has reevaluated its policies and procedures in time for all of our BIs...

[jack777]

Having already gone through a background check for another agency it is not that big of a deal. They are basically looking to verify all information you supplied on the SF-86 and making sure that you did not omit anything. My background is pretty straightfoward so the guy who did my background completed in about a week for a Top Secret-SCI. Contacted a few friends, went to my old employers, couple of neighbors, etc. The guy would did mine said they get concerned with a lot of foreign travel, unexplained income, foreign family members, drug problems, etc. Be staightfoward, answer the questions and things should go relatively easy.

Also the time delay isn't because they are going through your life with a fine toothed comb, but just a backlog of clearances to get to. I was given a conditional offer in Febuary of last year. My guy contacted me in mid July of last year and was completed with it by the end of the month. He only did my background check for about a week before he submitted his report. What was interesting is they did not contact me and say I was cleared it was only after I inquired through my contact person did they tell me.

But as I stated before even when you pass the background don't make any immediate plans for leaving. It may still be a waiting process and they could even withdraw the offer. This agency did it to me so until you are sitting in a FBI office getting paid look out for yourself and your families interest.

[electra1978]

Having already gone through a background check for another agency it is not that big of a deal. They are basically looking to verify all information you supplied on the SF-86 and making sure that you did not omit anything. My background is pretty straightfoward so the guy who did my background completed in about a week for a Top Secret-SCI. Contacted a few friends, went to my old employers, couple of neighbors, etc. The guy would did mine said they get concerned with a lot of foreign travel, unexplained income, foreign family members, drug problems, etc. Be staightfoward, answer the questions and things should go relatively easy.

Also the time delay isn't because they are going through your life with a fine toothed comb, but just a backlog of clearances to get to. I was given a conditional offer in Febuary of last year. My guy contacted me in mid July of last year and was completed with it by the end of the month. He only did my background check for about a week before he submitted his report. What was interesting is they did not contact me and say I was cleared it was only after I inquired through my contact person did they tell me.

But as I stated before even when you pass the background don't make any immediate plans for leaving. It may still be a waiting process and they could even withdraw the offer. This agency did it to me so until you are sitting in a FBI office getting paid look out for yourself and your families interest.

Thanks for the very helpful info. If they come across any of the items that you mentioned such as foreign family members or unexplained income, do they always give you the opportunity to explain your situation, or do they just toss out your application in favor of a less complicated one??

Sorry, this is my first time applying for a federal position of this nature so I'm learning as I go along...

[jack777]

Thanks for the very helpful info. If they come across any of the items that you mentioned such as foreign family members or unexplained income, do they always give you the opportunity to explain your situation, or do they just toss out your application in favor of a less complicated one??

Sorry, this is my first time applying for a federal position of this nature so I'm learning as I go along...




They will definitely give you a chance to explain any thing that concerns them. They simply want you to be upfront and give them the heads up instead of them discovering it on their own. If they have started a background check they certainly think enough of you to spend the resources and for the most part are not looking to discard you. But they also do not want to make a serious mistake and put someone in a sensitive position that may be compromised. Like I said before, be honest and straightforward and it should go easily.

[atxtallguy]

Having already gone through a background check for another agency it is not that big of a deal. They are basically looking to verify all information you supplied on the SF-86 and making sure that you did not omit anything. My background is pretty straightfoward so the guy who did my background completed in about a week for a Top Secret-SCI. Contacted a few friends, went to my old employers, couple of neighbors, etc. The guy would did mine said they get concerned with a lot of foreign travel, unexplained income, foreign family members, drug problems, etc. Be staightfoward, answer the questions and things should go relatively easy.



Wow, I've done some foreign travel and Colombia was one of the countries. I bet that has brought up some possible red flags. I also have foreign family members! I might get penalized for 40 yards for being off sides on the play. :fork:

[jack777]

Wow, I've done some foreign travel and Colombia was one of the countries. I bet that has brought up some possible red flags. I also have foreign family members! I might get penalized for 40 yards for being off sides on the play. :fork:


Like my background check guy said does not rule you out but makes your background check more difficult and time consuming. With travel they were especially interested in who paid and why I was visiting. The only concern they had about me was I had an underage drinking misdemeanor when I was in college from getting busted at a house party. They asked all of my friends if I had a drinking problem, if I had ever been to treatment, etc.

I think he slept through the rest of mine but will have to earn his pay if he gets yours. But I think any agency has to use some common sense. If you are hiring people that have area expertise (language, religion, culture, etc.), they often have acquired it by living in the region or having family that comes from there.

[atxtallguy]

I think he slept through the rest of mine but will have to earn his pay if he gets yours. But I think any agency has to use some common sense. If you are hiring people that have area expertise (language, religion, culture, etc.), they often have acquired it by living in the region or having family that comes from there.


I agree with they way they are hiring. I was amazed to read of all the different backgrounds people have and think we will all be in good company where we end up. I'm sure some of us will work together. Probably the only reason I'm at this stage of the hiring process is because of my five years as an IA (which includes both tatical and strategic assignments) in the Army.

[OrangeAlum2003]

I agree with they way they are hiring. I was amazed to read of all the different backgrounds people have and think we will all be in good company where we end up. I'm sure some of us will work together. Probably the only reason I'm at this stage of the hiring process is because of my five years as an IA (which includes both tatical and strategic assignments) in the Army.

The "only" reason? It seems to me that 5 years experience puts you in a strong position to not only get hired but to excel in the position.

[atxtallguy]

The "only" reason? It seems to me that 5 years experience puts you in a strong position to not only get hired but to excel in the position.

Thanks for the kind words. I hope so!

[electra1978]

I agree with they way they are hiring. I was amazed to read of all the different backgrounds people have and think we will all be in good company where we end up. I'm sure some of us will work together. Probably the only reason I'm at this stage of the hiring process is because of my five years as an IA (which includes both tatical and strategic assignments) in the Army.

Those 5 years as an IA are EXACTLY why they should hire you, not to mention all your other skills. You are as good as gold to them and I hope they realize that...

[Jedburgh II]

Probably the only reason I'm at this stage of the hiring process is because of my five years as an IA (which includes both tatical and strategic assignments) in the Army.
The Bureau is trying to create a full-blown intelligence capability from scratch. They don't have time to grow all their own analysts from the entry level. They are working hard to fill slots from GS-7 to GS-14 with capable people. Hell, they're still figuring out exactly what is needed in training IAs, and in creating an effective professional development path. As a former intelligence analyst yourself, you should understand that capability in the field does not necessarily equate to an advanced degree or a history of academic excellence. Nothing substitutes for experience. I was at a regional terrorism presentation earlier this week, and in speaking with the SAs present, they were very clear as to the lack of experienced intelligence analysts to support the mission.

Experience such as yours is highly sought after.

[eff-bee-eye]

Agreed. You can't beat Intel experience. We definitely need that, and the FBI is trying to come up with all sorts of ways to attract AND keep qualified intelligence analysts, and to develop a great intelligence program.

As a retention tool, I just got approved to have my undergrad student loans paid off. That was awesome. Too bad they won't pay my wife's private school loans too.

[txpatriot]

howdy all, newbie here. anyone know what's with the HQ-2005-0008 announcement....mine still says application received, and has said that forever. thx.

[atxtallguy]

howdy all, newbie here. anyone know what's with the HQ-2005-0008 announcement....mine still says application received, and has said that forever. thx.

All,

Thanks for the kind words. Not to toot my horn too much, but I've felt pretty confident about getting in since day one I applied. As much as I want the job, I might have to pass depending on where they want to send me. Some areas you can not afford to live on with GS-9 and have a family in tow and try to sell a house all at the same time. I know it sounds crazy, but I'm not going to dig a huge financial hole for myself.

TXpatriot, you might've missed the boat. Not to take the wind out of yours sails, but from hearing other people talk about all interviews, they had to be done by 7/29 and the chances might not look good. Unless you've had your interview, forget what I just said and hang in there. Just like most everyone else has indicated here on the board, it is a slow process and takes lots of time.

[txpatriot]

atxtallguy,

hmm, well for FO-2005-0022 it does say: Not among the highest qualified; not referred. Management has the discretion to broaden the hiring area; therefore consideration could be granted at a later date.

and that was for Grade 9, cuz that's the only grade i applied for.

the thing is the FO announcement was AFTER the HQ announcement, HQ-2005-0008, which was like the beginning of this year. but for mine, it still says "Application Received" for Grades 7,9,11.

i guess i'm wonderin if i didn't make the cut, why doesn't it just say "Not among highest qualified".........

[atxtallguy]

atxtallguy,

hmm, well for FO-2005-0022 it does say: Not among the highest qualified; not referred. Management has the discretion to broaden the hiring area; therefore consideration could be granted at a later date.

and that was for Grade 9, cuz that's the only grade i applied for.

the thing is the FO announcement was AFTER the HQ announcement, HQ-2005-0008, which was like the beginning of this year. but for mine, it still says "Application Received" for Grades 7,9,11.

i guess i'm wonderin if i didn't make the cut, why doesn't it just say "Not among highest qualified".........

I hear you. I think a lot of us would like more solid information so we can plan or move on to other things. You might try asking about your status using an email address someone posted on a previous thread. It gets sent to the HR at HQ and by the looks of it, there is a good turn around time for responses.

[darkstar]

atxtallguy,

hmm, well for FO-2005-0022 it does say: Not among the highest qualified; not referred. Management has the discretion to broaden the hiring area; therefore consideration could be granted at a later date.

and that was for Grade 9, cuz that's the only grade i applied for.

the thing is the FO announcement was AFTER the HQ announcement, HQ-2005-0008, which was like the beginning of this year. but for mine, it still says "Application Received" for Grades 7,9,11.

i guess i'm wonderin if i didn't make the cut, why doesn't it just say "Not among highest qualified".........

fyi, just to give you an idea of how long inaccurate info is left on the fbi website, i applied for a prior announcement for the IA (FO-2004-0007) in may of '04 and got an interview in sept of the same year... i didn't hear anything for 3 mos, so i called my FO and was informed that they'd hired all they were going to for that fiscal year and to try again when the next vacancy announcement was posted... my status on the website was "referred to selecting official" until jan '05... i think the website is significantly improved with regard to providing accurate info, but the possibility always exisits that they won't get around to updating it for weeks or even months, especially for old announcements...

[electra1978]

Just got an email back from HQ. The word is that they are now really focusing on Quickhire as a main communication tool with all of us. I was told as soon as there is a change in status it will be posted. Also:

"Please remember that this office has a high volume of vacancies which are posted on a continual basis and therefore, the length of time necessary to review applications and post messages will vary from vacancy to vacancy. We request that you remain patient and continue to monitor your application status for further updates regarding this vacancy. A representative from HQ will contact you, if necessary."

FYI...

[txpatriot]

darkstar, thanks for the clarification

[Kristin]

Ohio Law,

Have you heard back from your interview?

I called one of the FO in my states (there are two) and the personnel director said that there are still many IA positions that need to be interviewed for. I got the impression that HQ had not sent her enough applicants. The process confuses me though, so I could be wrong.

[TopJag]

Ohio Law,

Have you heard back from your interview?

I called one of the FO in my states (there are two) and the personnel director said that there are still many IA positions that need to be interviewed for. I got the impression that HQ had not sent her enough applicants. The process confuses me though, so I could be wrong.


I certainly hope the interview process is still ongoing. I can't think of why with years of IA experience, a current clearance, and a law degree to boot I have not received any contact. Maybe I applied to too many grades, GS 9-14, but quickhire shows me as "Best Qualified" on all the grades. Still waiting.....

[mugrad04]

I had a quick question. Before people have been writing about talking to their AC or someone at HQ about their status-I was just wondering how you knew who to call at HQ to find out anything about your status. I called the HR person that I know at my local FO and she said that there really isn't anyone I could talk to about where I am in the process and that no news is good news at this point.

[Kristin]

I certainly hope the interview process is still ongoing. I can't think of why with years of IA experience, a current clearance, and a law degree to boot I have not received any contact. Maybe I applied to too many grades, GS 9-14, but quickhire shows me as "Best Qualified" on all the grades. Still waiting.....

TopJag,

I am sure you will eventually get a call for an interview. Just keep the faith. My best friend said that when she interviewed with the FBI that it was set up at a hotel and that there were many applicants interviewing for many different positions for FOs in 5 states. So it could be taking them this long to contact you because they have to set up a time and place for a large pool of applicants.

But who knows?

[darkstar]

I had a quick question. Before people have been writing about talking to their AC or someone at HQ about their status-I was just wondering how you knew who to call at HQ to find out anything about your status. I called the HR person that I know at my local FO and she said that there really isn't anyone I could talk to about where I am in the process and that no news is good news at this point.


i guess that all depends on where you are in the process... if you've interviewed then someone should be able to tell you something, if only that your interview packet has been forwarded to HQ... the HR person @ my FO recoginzed my name from when she sent the interview materials to DC and told me that i should hear something from HQ w/in the next couple of weeks... other than that she wasn't able to provide much in the way of new info...

if you haven't interviewed yet then likely as not no one would be able to tell you much... my understanding is that HQ gives the interview list to the FO's, so even if you called your FO and told them where your are in the process or what quickhire says about your status they probably wouldn't be able to give you anything further...

as far as knowing who to call, i was given a contact # when i was notified that i had been selected for an interivew... from what i've read on here over the last few weeks some candidates don't even get that, so don't be too worried about not having a # to call...

[darkstar]

darkstar, thanks for the clarification

no problem, any time...

[OhioLaw]

Ohio Law,

Have you heard back from your interview?

I called one of the FO in my states (there are two) and the personnel director said that there are still many IA positions that need to be interviewed for. I got the impression that HQ had not sent her enough applicants. The process confuses me though, so I could be wrong.
Today marked 2 weeks after my interview. They told me at the interview that I would hopefully hear from them w/in 2 weeks, but to not hold them to it bc it would be out of their hands from at that point. I think I will give the lady that set up the interview a call on Monday and report back to everyone. I am not really worried bc some people on here have been waiting 3 months to hear something back.

[mugrad04]

i guess that all depends on where you are in the process... if you've interviewed then someone should be able to tell you something, if only that your interview packet has been forwarded to HQ... the HR person @ my FO recoginzed my name from when she sent the interview materials to DC and told me that i should hear something from HQ w/in the next couple of weeks... other than that she wasn't able to provide much in the way of new info...

if you haven't interviewed yet then likely as not no one would be able to tell you much... my understanding is that HQ gives the interview list to the FO's, so even if you called your FO and told them where your are in the process or what quickhire says about your status they probably wouldn't be able to give you anything further...

as far as knowing who to call, i was given a contact # when i was notified that i had been selected for an interivew... from what i've read on here over the last few weeks some candidates don't even get that, so don't be too worried about not having a # to call...


Thanks for the reply, Darkstar. I've interviewed, taken my poly, psi and fingerprinting and i'm starting month 3 of my background investigation. I think the waiting is just getting to me.

[ko5]

I have posted on here a couple of times, but I visit the site often. I am in the same boat as a lot of you. I applied back in March, interviewed on 7/19, and today I recieved a verbal CO. It is for a GS-9, not sure where though. Got the call from someone @ HQ around 4:00. I was at work, so I couldn't ask too many questions (my boss does not know yet). So, I have a feeling a lot of you that interviewed recently will start to here soon.

[LAGGARD]

I have posted on here a couple of times, but I visit the site often. I am in the same boat as a lot of you. I applied back in March, interviewed on 7/19, and today I recieved a verbal CO. It is for a GS-9, not sure where though. Got the call from someone @ HQ around 4:00. I was at work, so I couldn't ask too many questions (my boss does not know yet). So, I have a feeling a lot of you that interviewed recently will start to here soon.

Or not. I haven't heard from anyone since the starting of my BI. No one has sent or called me of my CO. Someone did call, saying that my BI would start the following day. :o

[OrangeAlum2003]

Of all the days to get a call, on Saturday at 7:30 in the morning, I talked to someone from HQ. They called to offer me a CO at HQ. From what I had already learned, that wasn't surprising. I figured I would either get in at my local FO, which I had already learned was pretty full, or end up at HQ. I didn't get the impression that they would ship me off to a different FO.

The good thing is that they offered me the position at a GS-11, which is fantastic because the effective pay cut will be negligible. GS-11 in the DC area isn't as much as I make now, but the cost of living might be a few points lower compared to the Bay Area. So, it's a good thing I applied at the GS-11 level.

I have mixed emotions about the whole thing, because I really wanted to stay close to home. We are actually in the process of buying our first home, which we may now have to turn around and sell immediately. That said I promised myself that I wouldn't let geography dictate my decision this time. It's just going to be hard for me and my wife to move our son away from his grandparents and cousin. I'll keep everyone posted as the already looooooong process continues to unfold.

[Jedburgh II]

Of all the days to get a call, on Saturday at 7:30 in the morning, I talked to someone from HQ. They called to offer me a CO at HQ. From what I had already learned, that wasn't surprising. I figured I would either get in at my local FO, which I had already learned was pretty full, or end up at HQ. I didn't get the impression that they would ship me off to a different FO.
Congratulations! At least you now have time to do some planning while your BI is being completed.

When my CO call came in, I was told that I would not learn exactly which FO I would finally be headed out to until completion of my BI. The woman who called also told me that the Bureau is really trying to expedite the BI process for the current IA hires - that reinforced what the lead interviewer told me after the panel. Also, regarding pay grade, when I inquired as to what step when I was offered GS-12, she told me that all COs were at Step 1 at whatever grade was being offered - if there was to be any negotiation about step qualification, it would have to be done after the final offer.

[OrangeAlum2003]

Congratulations! At least you now have time to do some planning while your BI is being completed.



When my CO call came in, I was told that I would not learn exactly which FO I would finally be headed out to until completion of my BI. The woman who called also told me that the Bureau is really trying to expedite the BI process for the current IA hires - that reinforced what the lead interviewer told me after the panel. Also, regarding pay grade, when I inquired as to what step when I was offered GS-12, she told me that all COs were at Step 1 at whatever grade was being offered - if there was to be any negotiation about step qualification, it would have to be done after the final offer.

Thanks! The call came rather unexpectedly on a Sat. morning, but I'll take it.

That makes sense. I felt like I was talking to a messenger and not someone with a wealth of information or decision-making ability. When I asked her about the BI and whether I should be hearing from an investigator first, she had no idea. She said that it could start next week, but she really didn't know. I just want to wait as long as I can before telling my current employer, just in case the FBI gig falls through. That said it's better I think that he finds out from me instead of from an investigator.

Will you try to hammer up a few steps when your FO arrives? I'll probably try and negotiate a little higher of a starting salary, assuming no problems with the BI. Also, I need to speak with someone about the 10K bonus, because I'm not a federal employee and should be eligible. Anyway, it's all a crap shoot right now until that FO gets issued. Crossing my fingers as always. :p

[OrangeAlum2003]

With regard to QuickHire, at least for me anyway, there seems to be an actual correlation between what is posted on the web and what happens in reality. Days after my status changed to best qualified, I was called in for an interview. My status was then listed as best qualified for GS-9 and referred to selecting official for GS-11. My offer came in as a GS-11. So, when it changed to best qualified, I got an interview. When it changed to referred, I got an offer for that grade. I would suspect that those of you with similar designations will likely receive a CO for the grade on which it says "referred to selecting official."

[LAGGARD]

I have a quick question about the GS levels:

GS09 - BS degree plus 2 years of working experience
GS11 - BS degree plus 3 years of working experience

Education can be used to substitute for working experience.

My case: I have a BS and MS. When i was in DC, i had my MS and 1/2 year into my doctorate. I was offered at GS09 which was expected. However, i am 1 year into my Doctorate. Does it mean that I should be considered at GS-11 now?

[darkstar]

I have a quick question about the GS levels:

GS09 - BS degree plus 2 years of working experience
GS11 - BS degree plus 3 years of working experience

Education can be used to substitute for working experience.

My case: I have a BS and MS. When i was in DC, i had my MS and 1/2 year into my doctorate. I was offered at GS09 which was expected. However, i am 1 year into my Doctorate. Does it mean that I should be considered at GS-11 now?

the way i understand it, you need to earn a master's or have completed 2 years of grad school toward the master's to be eligible for the gs9... to be elible for the gs11 one either must have earned a phd or have completed 3 years of grad school towards a phd... the question is, did you indicate that you wish to be considered eligible for the gs11 when you applied? if not, i believe it's a moot point... something else to consider, the qualifications listed above must have been met at the time of application... otherwise, it's also a moot point... hope this helps...

[OhioLaw]

With regard to QuickHire, at least for me anyway, there seems to be an actual correlation between what is posted on the web and what happens in reality. Days after my status changed to best qualified, I was called in for an interview. My status was then listed as best qualified for GS-9 and referred to selecting official for GS-11. My offer came in as a GS-11. So, when it changed to best qualified, I got an interview. When it changed to referred, I got an offer for that grade. I would suspect that those of you with similar designations will likely receive a CO for the grade on which it says "referred to selecting official."
Congratualations that is great!!! Didn't you interview around the middle of July? That is pretty fast turnaround compared to some people in here.

[electra1978]

Of all the days to get a call, on Saturday at 7:30 in the morning, I talked to someone from HQ. They called to offer me a CO at HQ. From what I had already learned, that wasn't surprising. I figured I would either get in at my local FO, which I had already learned was pretty full, or end up at HQ. I didn't get the impression that they would ship me off to a different FO.

The good thing is that they offered me the position at a GS-11, which is fantastic because the effective pay cut will be negligible. GS-11 in the DC area isn't as much as I make now, but the cost of living might be a few points lower compared to the Bay Area. So, it's a good thing I applied at the GS-11 level.

I have mixed emotions about the whole thing, because I really wanted to stay close to home. We are actually in the process of buying our first home, which we may now have to turn around and sell immediately. That said I promised myself that I wouldn't let geography dictate my decision this time. It's just going to be hard for me and my wife to move our son away from his grandparents and cousin. I'll keep everyone posted as the already looooooong process continues to unfold.

OrangeAlum that AWESOME!!! Congrats!! What a way to wake up on a weekend!! At least now you are starting to fill in some of the gaps so you can begin making some concrete decisions.

What day did you interview again? I interviewed on the 25th which was a little bit after you so I would imagine...hopefully...I'll hear from someone soon either way..

[electra1978]

With regard to QuickHire, at least for me anyway, there seems to be an actual correlation between what is posted on the web and what happens in reality. Days after my status changed to best qualified, I was called in for an interview. My status was then listed as best qualified for GS-9 and referred to selecting official for GS-11. My offer came in as a GS-11. So, when it changed to best qualified, I got an interview. When it changed to referred, I got an offer for that grade. I would suspect that those of you with similar designations will likely receive a CO for the grade on which it says "referred to selecting official."

I hope that's true. I have the same info on my QuickHire page. I'm "best qualified" for GS-07 and "referred to selecting official" for GS-09. When I interviewed, the panel kept switching between GS-07 and GS-09 when talking about which department I'd fit in best. I do have my masters degree so I hope to get a CO for the 9.

[darkstar]

I hope that's true. I have the same info on my QuickHire page. I'm "best qualified" for GS-07 and "referred to selecting official" for GS-09. When I interviewed, the panel kept switching between GS-07 and GS-09 when talking about which department I'd fit in best. I do have my masters degree so I hope to get a CO for the 9.

i hope interview panel acknowlegement of grade eligibility isn't as critical as it sounds... my panel didn't say crap about any of the grades to which i applied...

oh, for what's it's worth, my gs-7 is "not referred, may be considered @ a later date, blah, blah, blah", gs-9 is "best qualified", and gs-11 is "referred to selecting official." the 9 and 11 haven't changed since the middle/end of june... if precident holds true, maybe i'll get a CO at the 11... keeping my fingers crossed...

[LAGGARD]

the way i understand it, you need to earn a master's or have completed 2 years of grad school toward the master's to be eligible for the gs9... to be elible for the gs11 one either must have earned a phd or have completed 3 years of grad school towards a phd... the question is, did you indicate that you wish to be considered eligible for the gs11 when you applied? if not, i believe it's a moot point... something else to consider, the qualifications listed above must have been met at the time of application... otherwise, it's also a moot point... hope this helps...

Thank you. The 3 years of grad school towards a PhD are also not clear. For example, my master years (2 - yrs) also count toward my PhD. So technically, I am 3 year into my PhD program. :) I certainly will ask if a position was offered to me. It's a $5000+ question. :)

[OrangeAlum2003]

OrangeAlum that AWESOME!!! Congrats!! What a way to wake up on a weekend!! At least now you are starting to fill in some of the gaps so you can begin making some concrete decisions.

What day did you interview again? I interviewed on the 25th which was a little bit after you so I would imagine...hopefully...I'll hear from someone soon either way..

Thanks, I'm excited as well, though nervous simultaneously. I don't remember exactly, but I think I interviewed on the 14th of July. I didn't even know that FBI personnel work on weekends, but behold they do. Maybe they just want to make sure that they catch as many people live on the phone as possible since most people are available at home on Saturday mornings. I'm not a betting man (well sometimes friendly poker) but I would bet anything that you'll be getting a call soon. The pattern seems to remain consistent and all those that had interviews and seemingly did well are getting CO's. I suspect OhioLaw will be in the same boat. Geez, the guy only has a JD and a master's right? Anyway, I'm cautiously optimistic. We all know that the failure/attrition rate is high so we'll just have to see what happens. That said a CO is good news.

[atxtallguy]

Wow, I take a day trip and see all this great news that happens while I'm gone, congrats OrangeAlum2003!!

If I'm correct you are the only one that has received a CO with a location in mind. My CO never indicated location, which makes the process more frustrating, etc. To me that would be the smart thing to do (I know it is the Govt, but I've seen smart things happen before). The CO should have a location in mind. Then if the candidate does not accept it, the FBI does not waste any more time or money on the candidate. If the candidate accepts, then it is a win-win for both parties.

[mugrad04]

Wow, I take a day trip and see all this great news that happens while I'm gone, congrats OrangeAlum2003!!

If I'm correct you are the only one that has received a CO with a location in mind. My CO never indicated location, which makes the process more frustrating, etc. To me that would be the smart thing to do (I know it is the Govt, but I've seen smart things happen before). The CO should have a location in mind. Then if the candidate does not accept it, the FBI does not waste any more time or money on the candidate. If the candidate accepts, then it is a win-win for both parties.


My CO said that my location would be HQ but when the HR person at my polygraph told me that, she said that was probably wrong and should not expect to go to HQ until I receive the final offer. So who knows! :)

[OhioLaw]

I got a big packet from the FBI today :o
I went out to the mail and seen a fairly big packet. I thought to myself that they probably decided not to hire me and were sending me back the background forms I turned in at the interview. I opened it up and it had nothing to do with the IA position. See, I had also applied for a special agent position around the same time. They were sending me a letter telling me to come take the phase 1 test. Now I am confused as to what to do because I would have to take another day off from my current job, which I have only been at since March. Then there is the chance that I will get called in to do the polygraph, psi, etc. for the IA job if they ever give me the CO. I don't really know what to do bc I have only been thinking about the IA job. The test is not scheduled until Aug. 29th, so I have a week or so to think about it and still give them timely notice if I decline to take the test. That would also give them another week to get with me and give me the CO.

Something of actual interest to the IA position was in the letter though. They sent me a waiver of the 30 day notice to take the test since it will only be like 20 days. The letter explaining the waiver says, "This waiver has been established in order to expedite the processing of applicant's who possess the critical skils needed by the fbi for this fiscal year." So, they must be looking to move really fast and I bet that is the case with the IA position as well.

[darkstar]

Thank you. The 3 years of grad school towards a PhD are also not clear. For example, my master years (2 - yrs) also count toward my PhD. So technically, I am 3 year into my PhD program. :) I certainly will ask if a position was offered to me. It's a $5000+ question. :)

i think that as long as you're able to demonstrate that you have completed three or more years of grad school with the intent of earning a phd then you've met the requirements... doesn't seem like they could realistically expect a person to have completed a master's and then tack on an extra 3 years to be considered for the gs-11... the program i'm in doesn't even require a master's prior to completion of the phd... as long has you indicated that you're interested in being considered for the gs11 in your app and you had the 3 years in when you applied i don't see any problems... not that my opinion means much, though...

[Kristin]

OrangeAlum2003,

Congratualtions! I am sure you will be successful in the FBI. I still hold onto a small amount of hope that I will get a call for an interview.

OhioLaw,

It sounds like to me the FBI is really interested in you. That's great!!! I think that if you are interested in being a SA then you should definitely go for it. However, if it is not what you want to do with your life then you should consider the amount of time that you would have to invest. My best friend received a CO for IA but at the same time was going through the process for SA and in the end she has decided that she would rather be a SA. SA has always been her dream. But she did have to invest a lot of time into the process.

What has been your goal, SA or IA?

[LAGGARD]

I got a big packet from the FBI today :o
I went out to the mail and seen a fairly big packet. I thought to myself that they probably decided not to hire me and were sending me back the background forms I turned in at the interview. I opened it up and it had nothing to do with the IA position. See, I had also applied for a special agent position around the same time. They were sending me a letter telling me to come take the phase 1 test. Now I am confused as to what to do because I would have to take another day off from my current job, which I have only been at since March. Then there is the chance that I will get called in to do the polygraph, psi, etc. for the IA job if they ever give me the CO. I don't really know what to do bc I have only been thinking about the IA job. The test is not scheduled until Aug. 29th, so I have a week or so to think about it and still give them timely notice if I decline to take the test. That would also give them another week to get with me and give me the CO.

Something of actual interest to the IA position was in the letter though. They sent me a waiver of the 30 day notice to take the test since it will only be like 20 days. The letter explaining the waiver says, "This waiver has been established in order to expedite the processing of applicant's who possess the critical skils needed by the fbi for this fiscal year." So, they must be looking to move really fast and I bet that is the case with the IA position as well.

I am scheduled to take the special agent test 1 soon too. I am not sure where your process is at. My BI started 3 months ago and should be done soon in the next 3 or so months for the IA position, or at least i am hoping. That's 6 months altogether. Anyhow, I believe even with the CO, it's still a long way or not a sure thing. If I were you, i would certainly entertain the Special Agent exam. You don't want to regret later on. One thing that you probably know already is that "the SA position also requires you to pass the BI and other steps". Unless you get through them all, you won't get either offer. One thing that i have learned is that the FBI has caused many of us wondering of our career goals, and caused many of us to put our lives and our families on hold. :o

[eff-bee-eye]

If I were you, i would certainly entertain the Special Agent exam. You don't want to regret later on.

Well, I don't know if I would do it just because another person says you should...and it sounds as though Ohio Law is not very interested in the Special Agent position if he hasn't been thinking about it at all. Kristin asked the good question though, what is your ultimate goal (IA or SA)? These are two very different positions.

One thing that i have learned is that the FBI has caused many of us wondering of our career goals, and caused many of us to put our lives and our families on hold. :o

Well, I don't think the FBI is making you put your family and life on hold. I'm pretty sure that anyone who applies is doing it so voluntarily. And with any thorough application process, especially a scrutinized process that involves a sensitive position and a Top Secret clearance and background, the applicant has to be willing, cooperative, and patient throughout the process. Afterall, if you WANT the position, and happen to GET the position, you will likely have to put your lives and families on hold because of the job's duties. So learning to do this in the application process might help in preparing you for this concept.

[Kristin]

BuMan or eef-bee-eye,

Is it reasonable to think that the FBI will open the IA applications again within the next couple of months?

I am stuck in "Not among the highest qualified, could be considered at a later date". However, I now know that I severly understated my qualifications. The questions on the application were ambigious and with warnings in red that you could be prosecuted if caught lying on the application I was afraid. I have to admit, I am a little naive to the FBI application process.

For example, "Investigative Report". When I worked in the District Attorney's office I used investigative reports all the time but I never personally wrote them. I think not clicking on some of these could have hurt me in the selection process.

Also, I believe that I do possess one of the critical skills. However, I did not click on it because I thought that "Advanced" was a connotation of PhD or Master's Degree in the critical skill. Same thing, I felt that clicking on it might be considered lying. Sorry for being long-winded.

[eff-bee-eye]

Not sure, but as of last month we were 350 short in our IA hiring goals for fiscal year 2005.

I'm sure the FBI will want to continue to develop their intelligence cadre, so I would expect a few more vacancies between now and the end of the calendar year.

[BuMan]

BuMan or eef-bee-eye,

Is it reasonable to think that the FBI will open the IA applications again within the next couple of months?

Here's my thought on it. Anything that gets posted now won't be done by the end of the fiscal year. In the next few months, there will be a new testing and training program introduced for Intelligence Analysts. I would imagine that, rather than continuing to go through a flood of applicants that would be received if the posting were left up, the plan might be to a) close the posting, b) work on the applicants currently in the pipeline, c) finalize the testing program and have it ready to integrate into the hiring process with the start of the new fiscal year and d) be prepared to get people on board starting in December/January, when the cohorttraining is scheduled to be implemented.

I haven't heard this from anyone in a position to know, but it's logical (which may be one strike against it) and makes sense (strike two). We'll see. There will be a need for more IAs in the future, so don't worry too much.

[OhioLaw]

[QUOTE=eff-bee-eye]Well, I don't know if I would do it just because another person says you should...and it sounds as though Ohio Law is not very interested in the Special Agent position if he hasn't been thinking about it at all. Kristin asked the good question though, what is your ultimate goal (IA or SA)? These are two very different positions.
[QUOTE]

It is not that I am not interested in the SA job. I just have not been thinking about it much bc the quickhire had me listed as only application received. I just thought it was a long way off. In all honesty, my background would make me an ideal SA candidate, even more so than the IA position.

I am in a fairly difficult position as far as the timing of the whole thing. My fiancee will be finishing up med school this coming May. She has been looking into residency programs and is willing to go where I go, assuming we know in time for her to apply. So, I can understand where Laggard is coming from with his comments.

I don't want to close any doors at this point, but I am still in the probationary period with my current job. I don't need to be missing any more days, so I am going to call them up and see if they can move me to either take the test on a weekend or later in the day.

[BuMan]

I am in a fairly difficult position as far as the timing of the whole thing. My fiancee will be finishing up med school this coming May. She has been looking into residency programs and is willing to go where I go, assuming we know in time for her to apply. So, I can understand where Laggard is coming from with his comments.

I don't want to close any doors at this point, but I am still in the probationary period with my current job. I don't need to be missing any more days, so I am going to call them up and see if they can move me to either take the test on a weekend or later in the day.

Keep in mind the new thread that is being discussed over the the Federal Questions forum regarding the SA mobility program. If you become a SA, you're going to go someplace out of the Academy that is a small to medium field office for up to three years. Then you will be moved into a large (top 15) field office after that three year period and be there for at least four years before moving someplace else. You won't find out where you're going until you're at the FBI Academy, probably in week 7, if I remember correctly. After 10 more weeks of the Academy, it's on your way to your new facility. It's not family friendly or relationship friendly, but it's the (one of the) price(s) you pay if you want the SA job.

[Kristin]

Thanks BuMan and eef-bee-eye for the information. 350 short means there may be some hope for me after all.

That testing that you (BuMan) mentioned seems interesting. I think it would be a great idea for the FBI. It would give them a chance to see how someone would do outside of the application. While computer automated hiring systems may help the hiring process in a lot of ways it also hurts in others ways.

If I don't get in this time, maybe next time I can be one of the first applicants to take the test and maybe that will be a better chance for me getting in. Qualifying words.......IF and MAYBE!!!!!!!!!

[OhioLaw]

I just read somewhere on here that the October push is just to get all the COs out, not to actually get people in and working. I hope that is not true, but who really knows. :o

[tdstolz]

Here's my thought on it. Anything that gets posted now won't be done by the end of the fiscal year. In the next few months, there will be a new testing and training program introduced for Intelligence Analysts. I would imagine that, rather than continuing to go through a flood of applicants that would be received if the posting were left up, the plan might be to a) close the posting, b) work on the applicants currently in the pipeline, c) finalize the testing program and have it ready to integrate into the hiring process with the start of the new fiscal year and d) be prepared to get people on board starting in December/January, when the cohorttraining is scheduled to be implemented.

I haven't heard this from anyone in a position to know, but it's logical (which may be one strike against it) and makes sense (strike two). We'll see. There will be a need for more IAs in the future, so don't worry too much.

Thanks, BuMan. I'm still in background for an IA position from February (HQ-2005-0008), one of the first IA announcements for FY 2005 (I think). My BI has been going on now for ca. four months and ought to be winding down. I know the FBI hasn't reached its goal of 880 new IAs for FY 2005, but it is doing better than FY 2004.

As a FY 2005 hiring, does this mean that I have to be on board by the end of September? I know everyone is working really hard to expedite the process, especially adjudication. I appreciate all the effort, really. I'm not sure, though, what to make of the COs given so recently for vacancies so late in the FY. If I'm still in background having applied to a vacancy in February, what about those applicants who just got their COs? Will they be held over for FY 2006 slots, especially if their BIs have already begun? If I'm not still on by September, will I be held over for an FY 2006 slot as well? I'm still a bit confused...thanks!

[BuMan]

Thanks, BuMan. I'm still in background for an IA position from February (HQ-2005-0008), one of the first IA announcements for FY 2005 (I think). My BI has been going on now for ca. four months and ought to be winding down. I know the FBI hasn't reached its goal of 880 new IAs for FY 2005, but it is doing better than FY 2004.

As a FY 2005 hiring, does this mean that I have to be on board by the end of September? I know everyone is working really hard to expedite the process, especially adjudication. I appreciate all the effort, really. I'm not sure, though, what to make of the COs given so recently for vacancies so late in the FY. If I'm still in background having applied to a vacancy in February, what about those applicants who just got their COs? Will they be held over for FY 2006 slots, especially if their BIs have already begun? If I'm not still on by September, will I be held over for an FY 2006 slot as well? I'm still a bit confused...thanks!

No, everyone doesn't have to be on board by the end of the fiscal year. That's a goal, not a requirement. Candidates in the works for a position don't just vaporize at the end of the fiscal year. If that were the case, the federal government would never get anyone hired. If you're in the pipeline now and haven't been cut (didn't make the QuickHire threshhold, failed the interview, failed the poly or pee test, or had a background problem), you remain in the pipeline until your application has been in place for an unspecified period of time. From what I understand (again, not in the hiring unit, but dealing with them quite a bit), once an applicant makes it fully through background, their application goes into a pool of candidates that any office (HQ or Field) can review and select from. If a candidate sits in this pool for too long (and, again, I don't know how long that time is), then they may become stale and be dropped from the process. Generally, I would guess that would apply mostly to lower level candidates with little experience or higher level candidates with experience so esoteric that it doesn't fit in elsewhere.

As for the testing, I haven't seen the test yet and don't know what it will consist of. From what I understand, for all DI jobs (Language Analysts, SSGs, and IAs), there will be a baseline core competencies test. For each of the specialties, there will then be a second phase of the test (probably taken the same day) which deals with the specific competencies for that position. Then, of course, there will be the testing in ACES, but that shouldn't be a problem, since the course doesn't exactly require a PhD level dissertation. Also, since the course will theoretically contain people at various grade levels, unlike the SA training, the expectations are going to have to be different for the various grade level candidates.

[Kristin]

BuMan and eef-bee-eye,

I think that you have already answered this question before but I cannot find it anywhere on this website, sooooooo..........

Is there any reading material for "Intelligence Analyst wanabes" that you guys (or gals) could advise me to read while I wait for a miracle on getting a call for an interview.

Thank you,
Kristin

[LAGGARD]

Out of curiosity, would i be contacted if my BI didn't go through so i wouldn't have to wait? Buman, you mentioned the pool and certain skills that the HQ or FO look for. Do you know what they look for usually? Analytical skills? Language skills? or something else?

[BuMan]

Out of curiosity, would i be contacted if my BI didn't go through so i wouldn't have to wait? Buman, you mentioned the pool and certain skills that the HQ or FO look for. Do you know what they look for usually? Analytical skills? Language skills? or something else?

If your background investigation didn't go through, you would receive a letter explaining that you weren't going to be hired and, probably, at least a cursory explanation why.

As for the skills they are looking for, it varies by the office and/or unit doing the hiring. If they are well staffed, they may accept someone with limited analytical experience, figuring they can train them on the job. Alternatively, an office that has only a couple of analysts may look for someone with some degree of subject-matter expertise to rapidly integrate them into the operation. Language skills may be useful in a broader context of area specialists, but, generally, the language analysts handle the translation and monitoring functions.

[eff-bee-eye]

BuMan and eef-bee-eye,

I think that you have already answered this question before but I cannot find it anywhere on this website, sooooooo..........

Is there any reading material for "Intelligence Analyst wanabes" that you guys (or gals) could advise me to read while I wait for a miracle on getting a call for an interview.

Thank you,
Kristin

I have two books in my cabinet that are pretty decent. They were issued at Quantico, and I'm not sure they still use these titles/editions:
-"Intelligence Analysis A Target-Centric Approach" by Robert M. Clark
-"Psychology of Intelligence Analysis" by Richards J. Heuer, Jr.

But more importantly, I would recommend to any applicant (for IA, SA, SSG, etc) to stay up-to-date with current world events, including the War on Terror, err I mean "The Global Struggle against Violent Extremism".

Also, make sure you are keeping up with FBI cases and developments through the website.

[bad_timing]

Has anyone on the board been in contact with the person conducting their BI?
I was just curious because I have kept in touch with mine throughout and I was just wondering if it is normal. I must say that he has been fantastic and a wonderful point of contact. Not to mention, that one of, if not the largest determining factor in whether or not we get the jobs is the BI so it's nice to talk with that person regularly. Im sure everyone already knew that though :)

[diablo3305]

I have two books in my cabinet that are pretty decent. They were issued at Quantico, and I'm not sure they still use these titles/editions:
-"Intelligence Analysis A Target-Centric Approach" by Robert M. Clark
-"Psychology of Intelligence Analysis" by Richards J. Heuer, Jr.




Sweet, i already have and have read both of those. :)




But more importantly, I would recommend to any applicant (for IA, SA, SSG, etc) to stay up-to-date with current world events, including the War on Terror, err I mean "The Global Struggle against Violent Extremism".

Also, make sure you are keeping up with FBI cases and developments through the website.


I believe it was changed back to the war on terror, although i think the The Global Struggle against Violent Extremism is a far better description.

[diablo3305]

Has anyone on the board been in contact with the person conducting their BI?
I was just curious because I have kept in touch with mine throughout and I was just wondering if it is normal. I must say that he has been fantastic and a wonderful point of contact. Not to mention, that one of, if not the largest determining factor in whether or not we get the jobs is the BI so it's nice to talk with that person regularly. Im sure everyone already knew that though :)


I haven't been in touch with any of the investigators doing my BI. I only spoke to one on the phone who was asking permission to visit my current workplace. Other than that, my only contact has been the HR person listed on my CO

[OhioLaw]

I haven't been in touch with any of the investigators doing my BI. I only spoke to one on the phone who was asking permission to visit my current workplace. Other than that, my only contact has been the HR person listed on my CO
I really wish they did not have to visit your current workplace bc I only have only been here a short time and my boss is an oddball. I could see him firing me for talking to the fbi.

[diablo3305]

I really wish they did not have to visit your current workplace bc I only have only been here a short time and my boss is an oddball. I could see him firing me for talking to the fbi.


Yea, it can be a pain, depending on your situation. My current job knows and they don't really mind it. I don't know if its standard, but the investigator that called me told me he had to get my permission first to talk to my current supervisor at that time. Sooner or later they will, but it was nice that if I hadn't told them, I had a chance to before the investigator showed up. HR on the other hand was suprised when an FBI investigator showed up requesting my employment records..haha, they called me up immediately.

[electra1978]

I have two books in my cabinet that are pretty decent. They were issued at Quantico, and I'm not sure they still use these titles/editions:
-"Intelligence Analysis A Target-Centric Approach" by Robert M. Clark
-"Psychology of Intelligence Analysis" by Richards J. Heuer, Jr.

But more importantly, I would recommend to any applicant (for IA, SA, SSG, etc) to stay up-to-date with current world events, including the War on Terror, err I mean "The Global Struggle against Violent Extremism".

Also, make sure you are keeping up with FBI cases and developments through the website.

Robert Clark's book seems to be standard reading material for anyone looking to become an IA. I'm bidding on a copy off eBay...

Excellent advice eff-bee-eye that people HAVE to know what is going on in the world. In my case, because I was trained as journalist, it's instinctive for me to keep daily tabs on what is going on in places like Bosnia, the Middle East, Sudan, and other hotspots that may breed terror. One thing I've learned from living abroad is that nothing happens in a vacuum. If something flares up in Indonesia, we will feel the repercussions here to some degree... Welcome to the pitfalls of globalization...

[tdstolz]

No, everyone doesn't have to be on board by the end of the fiscal year. That's a goal, not a requirement. Candidates in the works for a position don't just vaporize at the end of the fiscal year. If that were the case, the federal government would never get anyone hired. If you're in the pipeline now and haven't been cut (didn't make the QuickHire threshhold, failed the interview, failed the poly or pee test, or had a background problem), you remain in the pipeline until your application has been in place for an unspecified period of time. From what I understand (again, not in the hiring unit, but dealing with them quite a bit), once an applicant makes it fully through background, their application goes into a pool of candidates that any office (HQ or Field) can review and select from. If a candidate sits in this pool for too long (and, again, I don't know how long that time is), then they may become stale and be dropped from the process. Generally, I would guess that would apply mostly to lower level candidates with little experience or higher level candidates with experience so esoteric that it doesn't fit in elsewhere.

Thanks, BuMan. I am between lower and higher level candidates: GS-9, step 1. I've got a master's and am currently working on a PhD in religious studies (I plan to start the diss. later this year/early next). I'm also currently doing research on religious terrorism and its impact on CT and homeland security issues.

I am in the pipeline: interview, poly, and urinalysis were all passed; no problems during the field investigation; now I'm simply waiting for the final review at HQ to be done and get my EOD. I remember when I was interviewed being asked in which division I was most interested. I said CT was a natural choice, but that I was interested in CI as well--basically wherever the FBI thought best (I wouldn't say no).

I've got a lot of experience as a researcher and writer--breadth of experience in the humanities and social sciences; depth of experience as a scholar of religion. Graduate study has already given me excellent training and experience. I think the PhD will be an important credential, too, esp. as the FBI continues to develop and expand its intel. cadre.

I hope, then, that my research, writing, and language experience makes me attractive enough so I don't simply wait in the pipeline too long and simply get dropped. One of the things that I emphasized in my KSAs and in the interview as well is that while I have an expertise in the study of religion, more important I have developed the skills to become an expert in other areas, too. I think what I bring to the table--esp. in the area of CT--is vital to the war on terror. I want to do the work and I can do the work...but I'm still playing the waiting game! I know all of us will be happy when this is all over...

Thanks again.

[OhioLaw]

Some interesting news I just received from the local applicant coordinator for the IA position. I called to see if anyone knew any information on my status and she said that everything has been forwarded to HQ. She then read me the latest bulletin that they received on the position from HQ. It basically said that the goal is for everyone to be told by August 17th whether they will be moved along to the next phase (PSI, Poly, etc.). Then the goal after that is to have everyone to have their 3ps done by Sept. 1st. Then the BIs will began.

She knew my name and asked me if I had received my Special Agent package, which I thought was cool. I wanted to ask her if she knew if I had made it past the interview stage of the IA, but I couldn't bring myself to ask.

[Kristin]

I have two books in my cabinet that are pretty decent. They were issued at Quantico, and I'm not sure they still use these titles/editions:
-"Intelligence Analysis A Target-Centric Approach" by Robert M. Clark
-"Psychology of Intelligence Analysis" by Richards J. Heuer, Jr.

But more importantly, I would recommend to any applicant (for IA, SA, SSG, etc) to stay up-to-date with current world events, including the War on Terror, err I mean "The Global Struggle against Violent Extremism".

Also, make sure you are keeping up with FBI cases and developments through the website.

Thank you for your advice on the books. I will order them today.

I have always kept up with, and continue to do so, up-to-date local, state, national, and international current events through several news outlets. I also read the website everyday to see if there is anything new to learn from.

Thank you,
Kristin

[Kristin]

Some interesting news I just received from the local applicant coordinator for the IA position. I called to see if anyone knew any information on my status and she said that everything has been forwarded to HQ. She then read me the latest bulletin that they received on the position from HQ. It basically said that the goal is for everyone to be told by August 17th whether they will be moved along to the next phase (PSI, Poly, etc.). Then the goal after that is to have everyone to have their 3ps done by Sept. 1st. Then the BIs will began.

She knew my name and asked me if I had received my Special Agent package, which I thought was cool. I wanted to ask her if she knew if I had made it past the interview stage of the IA, but I couldn't bring myself to ask.

Do you mean "local applicant coordinator" as in someone at the FO nearest you? That's interesting. Neither one of the FOs in my state have "local applicant coordinator" just personnel directors that seem to be constantly kept in the dark. Also, in this region the urinalysis test is done right before the interview (the same day). Which, in my opinion is a better way because it would get rid of some people right up front and save some COs for other people.

[bad_timing]

Some interesting news I just received from the local applicant coordinator for the IA position. I called to see if anyone knew any information on my status and she said that everything has been forwarded to HQ. She then read me the latest bulletin that they received on the position from HQ. It basically said that the goal is for everyone to be told by August 17th whether they will be moved along to the next phase (PSI, Poly, etc.). Then the goal after that is to have everyone to have their 3ps done by Sept. 1st. Then the BIs will began.

She knew my name and asked me if I had received my Special Agent package, which I thought was cool. I wanted to ask her if she knew if I had made it past the interview stage of the IA, but I couldn't bring myself to ask.

Ohio-

That's great news!! I wonder what that means for those of us who are currently in the pipeline.

[electra1978]

Some interesting news I just received from the local applicant coordinator for the IA position. I called to see if anyone knew any information on my status and she said that everything has been forwarded to HQ. She then read me the latest bulletin that they received on the position from HQ. It basically said that the goal is for everyone to be told by August 17th whether they will be moved along to the next phase (PSI, Poly, etc.). Then the goal after that is to have everyone to have their 3ps done by Sept. 1st. Then the BIs will began.

She knew my name and asked me if I had received my Special Agent package, which I thought was cool. I wanted to ask her if she knew if I had made it past the interview stage of the IA, but I couldn't bring myself to ask.

Hey! Thanks for the update! I'm going to call my local ac to see if she can give me any info on my interview status. At least August 17 is only almost a week away. So who ultimately makes the decision for us to move on past the interview stage. HQ or the FO?

[OhioLaw]

Hey! Thanks for the update! I'm going to call my local ac to see if she can give me any info on my interview status. At least August 17 is only almost a week away. So who ultimately makes the decision for us to move on past the interview stage. HQ or the FO?
When did you interview? I thought it was around the same time that I did, which was July 22.

[OrangeAlum2003]

Hey! Thanks for the update! I'm going to call my local ac to see if she can give me any info on my interview status. At least August 17 is only almost a week away. So who ultimately makes the decision for us to move on past the interview stage. HQ or the FO?

The way I understood it was that your panel makes a recommendation as to whether or not an applicant should proceed and forwards that info back to HQ. HQ then makes staffing decisions. That makes sense in my case since I interviewed at the FO, but the CO came form someone in staffing at HQ. I'm not sure how that applies across the board.

[achefswife]

When did you interview? I thought it was around the same time that I did, which was July 22.
I think HQ decides who moves on. I completed my pee and prints today. I was disappointed that they did not use the new laser print machine, but used ink instead. I just wish I knew where I stood on the background... no news is good news.

[txpatriot]

Pardon my ignorance, what are these 3 P's???

[NYMBA]

Some interesting news I just received from the local applicant coordinator for the IA position. I called to see if anyone knew any information on my status and she said that everything has been forwarded to HQ. She then read me the latest bulletin that they received on the position from HQ. It basically said that the goal is for everyone to be told by August 17th whether they will be moved along to the next phase (PSI, Poly, etc.). Then the goal after that is to have everyone to have their 3ps done by Sept. 1st. Then the BIs will began.

She knew my name and asked me if I had received my Special Agent package, which I thought was cool. I wanted to ask her if she knew if I had made it past the interview stage of the IA, but I couldn't bring myself to ask.
Hi OhioLaw:

That is some interesting news! I hope I hear soemthing, I am still stuck at the referred to selecting official and no call, not even for an interview

[electra1978]

When did you interview? I thought it was around the same time that I did, which was July 22.

Hey. I interviewed on July 25. I just called my contact and she said it's in the hands of HQ, but she said she was going to try and find out for me. It seems like things work differently in every FO. I know that some people are getting things in writing while others only verbally.

I don't know if I'll hear back from my AC today, but I've been waiting this long so I can handle one more week of ambiguity....

[electra1978]

The way I understood it was that your panel makes a recommendation as to whether or not an applicant should proceed and forwards that info back to HQ. HQ then makes staffing decisions. That makes sense in my case since I interviewed at the FO, but the CO came form someone in staffing at HQ. I'm not sure how that applies across the board.

So who called you to schedule your poly?

[achefswife]

Not sure if I understand an earlier post. If we are in the pipeline now are we not going to get a FO until the test is developed? Or will we not be hired on until Nov/Dec. because of the new test?

[Kristin]

Pardon my ignorance, what are these 3 P's???

Along with a panel interview you have to do a polygraph test, fingerprinting, and an urinalysis test. You had to agree to these before getting to the application page. I think it is referred to the 3 P's on this forum because of (Pee-Pee, Polygraph, and PSI, etc.) Excuse my bluntness.

Kristin

[OrangeAlum2003]

So who called you to schedule your poly?

Someone from my local FO called me the day after my interview to schedule the poly. The CO came from a woman at HQ. I'm not sure of the dynamics and who plays what role. I need to draw up a little org chart so that I can keep track of things. The woman who issued the CO on Saturday said that my BI would likely start on Monday (today).

I'm hoping that I can get in contact with someone who will be coordinating my BI so that I can get a better idea of the process/schedule. I need the Bureau to respect my current situation as best as possible being that I'm currently employed (a common situation I'm sure). I'd like to postpone contact with my current employer as long as possible so that I don't jeopardize the opportunity here should the BI come out unsuccessfully. In just a couple of months I've already developed a good reputation and feel that I am in a position to move up quickly. If the FBI falls through, I don't want my reputation here to be tarnished. That said I'll probably preemptively notify my supervisor so that he's not shocked if/when he gets the call. I figure it's better to hear it from me than from an investigator. The truth is, I'm not actively seeking other employment, but the FBI job finally came around very unexpectedly. If it doesn't work out, I have no plans to continue looking for outside work.

[txpatriot]

Oh ok, thanks Kristin.

[OhioLaw]

I am going to just act really surprised when my boss mentions that the fbi contacted him. I will say, "Wow, I applied to that job 2 years ago, way before I began working here. I have not even thought about it bc I thought I didn't get it." But in reality I think about it every hour on the hour. I am going to act surprised that the fbi even knew I am working where I am at now. :cool:

[electra1978]

Someone from my local FO called me the day after my interview to schedule the poly. The CO came from a woman at HQ. I'm not sure of the dynamics and who plays what role. I need to draw up a little org chart so that I can keep track of things. The woman who issued the CO on Saturday said that my BI would likely start on Monday (today).

I'm hoping that I can get in contact with someone who will be coordinating my BI so that I can get a better idea of the process/schedule. I need the Bureau to respect my current situation as best as possible being that I'm currently employed (a common situation I'm sure). I'd like to postpone contact with my current employer as long as possible so that I don't jeopardize the opportunity here should the BI come out unsuccessfully. In just a couple of months I've already developed a good reputation and feel that I am in a position to move up quickly. If the FBI falls through, I don't want my reputation here to be tarnished. That said I'll probably preemptively notify my supervisor so that he's not shocked if/when he gets the call. I figure it's better to hear it from me than from an investigator. The truth is, I'm not actively seeking other employment, but the FBI job finally came around very unexpectedly. If it doesn't work out, I have no plans to continue looking for outside work.

Thanks for the info. I haven't heard anything regarding scheduling the tests or anything else for that matter, but I guess from what Ohiolaw said, thre is a system in place and I just have to be patient...again.... From what the woman at my FO told me, I would be hearing from HQ as everything is out of the FO's hands now...

I think it's definitely a good idea to notify your supervisor so there are no unexpected and unwelcomed surprises later on...

[tdstolz]

To those who have recently received COs:

First of all, congratulations! What great news for all of you.

Secondly, were any of you told when you were expected to be brought on board? E.g., by the end of FY 2005 or early on in FY 2006?

Thanks!

[OrangeAlum2003]

Thanks for the info. I haven't heard anything regarding scheduling the tests or anything else for that matter, but I guess from what Ohiolaw said, thre is a system in place and I just have to be patient...again.... From what the woman at my FO told me, I would be hearing from HQ as everything is out of the FO's hands now...

I think it's definitely a good idea to notify your supervisor so there are no unexpected and unwelcomed surprises later on...

As I think I said before, given the trends we've seen lately, I fully expect you and OhioLaw to receive CO's very shortly. I wasn't party to either of your interviews, obviously, but I would be shocked given your qualifications and apparent professionalism if you were not offered a position. It seems that the trend is that those who are called in for an interview and who do well are getting calls back with CO's. My bet is that you will receive a CO for the grade at which it says "referred to selecting official."

Hey, we should start placing wagers on what's going to happen next for each applicant. Oh wait, illegal gambling could mess up our BI's :D

[OrangeAlum2003]

To those who have recently received COs:

First of all, congratulations! What great news for all of you.

Secondly, were any of you told when you were expected to be brought on board? E.g., by the end of FY 2005 or early on in FY 2006?

Thanks!


I was given no indication as to what sort of timeline to expect. I'm using the experience of those before me on the board, including yourself, to estimate the time it will take to complete my BI. Assuming a successful outcome, I anticipate a wait of at least 4 months from today. I haven't seen too many others get through any faster.

My timeline:

March 15, 2005 - Applied
July 8, 2005 - Contacted for Interview
July 14, 2005 - Interviewed
July 15, 2005 - Poly scheduled by local FO
August 6, 2005 - CO given by HQ
August 19, 2005 - Poly scheduled

We're already looking at 5 months from when I started.

[Jedburgh II]

To those who have recently received COs:

First of all, congratulations! What great news for all of you.

Secondly, were any of you told when you were expected to be brought on board? E.g., by the end of FY 2005 or early on in FY 2006?

Thanks!
After my interview, I spoke to the lead panel member, and he told me that the intent was to bring people on by the beginning of the new FY. When I received my CO, the woman I spoke with told me the intent is to expedite the BI process for the IAs in order to get the new hires on-board as soon as possible.

Nice and vague, all around. Those, like myself, who have received COs just have to remain patient and let the process run its course. Being a bit familiar with the system of investigating and granting security clearances, even with an "expedited" process, I would be very surprised if they get anywhere near a majority of new hires completed by 1 October.

[atxtallguy]

After my interview, I spoke to the lead panel member, and he told me that the intent was to bring people on by the beginning of the new FY. When I received my CO, the woman I spoke with told me the intent is to expedite the BI process for the IAs in order to get the new hires on-board as soon as possible.

Nice and vague, all around. Those, like myself, who have received COs just have to remain patient and let the process run its course. Being a bit familiar with the system of investigating and granting security clearances, even with an "expedited" process, I would be very surprised if they get anywhere near a majority of new hires completed by 1 October.


I'd have to agree. When I received my first security clearance, it took about a year to get it. I was only 19 at the time and had barely done anything or gone anywhere in my lifetime. If these BI's get wrapped up in 4-8 months looks pretty good to me.

[LAGGARD]

If your background investigation didn't go through, you would receive a letter explaining that you weren't going to be hired and, probably, at least a cursory explanation why.

As for the skills they are looking for, it varies by the office and/or unit doing the hiring. If they are well staffed, they may accept someone with limited analytical experience, figuring they can train them on the job. Alternatively, an office that has only a couple of analysts may look for someone with some degree of subject-matter expertise to rapidly integrate them into the operation. Language skills may be useful in a broader context of area specialists, but, generally, the language analysts handle the translation and monitoring functions.

Thanks Buman.

[LAGGARD]

I was given no indication as to what sort of timeline to expect. I'm using the experience of those before me on the board, including yourself, to estimate the time it will take to complete my BI. Assuming a successful outcome, I anticipate a wait of at least 4 months from today. I haven't seen too many others get through any faster.

My timeline:

March 15, 2005 - Applied
July 8, 2005 - Contacted for Interview
July 14, 2005 - Interviewed
July 15, 2005 - Poly scheduled by local FO
August 6, 2005 - CO given by HQ
August 19, 2005 - Poly scheduled

We're already looking at 5 months from when I started.

It might be longer than 4 months. My BI started in May and i haven't heard anything. But it depends on the case. I was born in another country and am having a couple siblings who are still over there. Hopefully that won't affect their decision.

[dublin]

Check the newest thread to find a link to the book by Heuer...

[OhioLaw]

As I think I said before, given the trends we've seen lately, I fully expect you and OhioLaw to receive CO's very shortly. I wasn't party to either of your interviews, obviously, but I would be shocked given your qualifications and apparent professionalism if you were not offered a position. It seems that the trend is that those who are called in for an interview and who do well are getting calls back with CO's. My bet is that you will receive a CO for the grade at which it says "referred to selecting official."

Hey, we should start placing wagers on what's going to happen next for each applicant. Oh wait, illegal gambling could mess up our BI's :D
Orange,
I sure hope your expectations are right!!! Either way, I appreciate your vote of confidence! I go in phases where sometimes I wonder how they could not want me, then other times I think that I probably screwed something up at the interview and was oblivious to it. It would be nice for the phone just to ring with a CO in order to calm my nerves for the time being.

[Kristin]

OhioLaw and Electra1978,

Just keep the faith! When you do get onboard just don't forget about all your buddies from this forum!!!!!!! (Smile) Look on the bright side, at least you got a chance to interview.

I will remember you in my prayers.

Kristin

[electra1978]

As I think I said before, given the trends we've seen lately, I fully expect you and OhioLaw to receive CO's very shortly. I wasn't party to either of your interviews, obviously, but I would be shocked given your qualifications and apparent professionalism if you were not offered a position. It seems that the trend is that those who are called in for an interview and who do well are getting calls back with CO's. My bet is that you will receive a CO for the grade at which it says "referred to selecting official."

Hey, we should start placing wagers on what's going to happen next for each applicant. Oh wait, illegal gambling could mess up our BI's :D

Thanks!! I really appreciate the vote of confidence!! I am hopeful that I will receive a CO in the next week. I can't think of anything that would prevent me from getting one... or anyone else on the boards who had a positive interview experience.

I'm game for a little high stakes rollin'. We could always place virtual wagers :D My money's on OhioLaw getting a call for a CO on Thursday

[electra1978]

OhioLaw and Electra1978,

Just keep the faith! When you do get onboard just don't forget about all your buddies from this forum!!!!!!! (Smile) Look on the bright side, at least you got a chance to interview.

I will remember you in my prayers.

Kristin

Thanks so much for your kind words Kristin. Should I get hired, I will certainly keep in touch with everyone on these boards and hopefully run into a few familiar names in the hallowed halls of the FBI. As usual, I'm getting way ahead of myself.

Keep the faith Kristin. One thing I've learned from going through this process so far is that there isn't always method to the madness. You've applied, and are in the pipeline. Even if you don't get the call to interview this fiscal year, I bet they will post another IA vacancy late this fall (just a hunch) in time for 2006.

You will actually have a huge advantage over all of us who applied blindly without knowing what to expect. Someone needs to direct FBI HR to this message board so they can see the high caliber of individuals looking to serve their country via the Bureau..

[waitingindc]

Someone from my local FO called me the day after my interview to schedule the poly. The CO came from a woman at HQ. I'm not sure of the dynamics and who plays what role. I need to draw up a little org chart so that I can keep track of things. The woman who issued the CO on Saturday said that my BI would likely start on Monday (today).

I'm hoping that I can get in contact with someone who will be coordinating my BI so that I can get a better idea of the process/schedule. I need the Bureau to respect my current situation as best as possible being that I'm currently employed (a common situation I'm sure). I'd like to postpone contact with my current employer as long as possible so that I don't jeopardize the opportunity here should the BI come out unsuccessfully. In just a couple of months I've already developed a good reputation and feel that I am in a position to move up quickly. If the FBI falls through, I don't want my reputation here to be tarnished. That said I'll probably preemptively notify my supervisor so that he's not shocked if/when he gets the call. I figure it's better to hear it from me than from an investigator. The truth is, I'm not actively seeking other employment, but the FBI job finally came around very unexpectedly. If it doesn't work out, I have no plans to continue looking for outside work.
I asked the same thing of my investigators and of the person who did my PSI. I explained in great length to them that I had literally just started a new job and that the investigator should contact my new supervisor at the latest possible date. I explained to them that any sooner might put my position in jeopardy. So what happened you ask? Then next week my new supervisor got a call from.....the fbi.

So bottom line is, don't count on them doing what you ask even if they say they will. Be prepared. If I could have done it over, I would have told my new supervisor myself, instead of them coming to me and saying, "so, what your sick of us already. I hear your trying to get a job with the bureau."

just my advice...

[OhioLaw]

I asked the same thing of my investigators and of the person who did my PSI. I explained in great length to them that I had literally just started a new job and that the investigator should contact my new supervisor at the latest possible date. I explained to them that any sooner might put my position in jeopardy. So what happened you ask? Then next week my new supervisor got a call from.....the fbi.

So bottom line is, don't count on them doing what you ask even if they say they will. Be prepared. If I could have done it over, I would have told my new supervisor myself, instead of them coming to me and saying, "so, what your sick of us already. I hear your trying to get a job with the bureau."

just my advice...
I think it all depends on your relationship with your supervisor. The Judge that I work for is somewhat of a paranoid weirdo. He made me promise that I would not leave for more money before I accepted the job. If he even knew that I was talking with the FBI, I am sure he would try his best to fire me. If I ever get the CO or the FO for that matter, I am sure it will come as a shock to him, especially when it is about a 65% paycut. Maybe then he will understand that not all people are simply out for money.

Kristin,
I would also like to thank you for your kind words. Everyone on this site has been very helpful and motivating. :)

[tdstolz]

I was given no indication as to what sort of timeline to expect. I'm using the experience of those before me on the board, including yourself, to estimate the time it will take to complete my BI. Assuming a successful outcome, I anticipate a wait of at least 4 months from today. I haven't seen too many others get through any faster.

My timeline:

March 15, 2005 - Applied
July 8, 2005 - Contacted for Interview
July 14, 2005 - Interviewed
July 15, 2005 - Poly scheduled by local FO
August 6, 2005 - CO given by HQ
August 19, 2005 - Poly scheduled

We're already looking at 5 months from when I started.

I know the standard timeframe for TS/SCI clearances is "six to nine months" but that there can be expedited clearances. Obviously those cost much more money to perform. I'm still not clear as to the ins and outs of the clearance process, specifically what exactly happens when one's case gets to DC. I know one has to wait for the final review, checks, etc., for the clearance, but does this take a month, two months, or more?

I also know from the experiences of other people on this list that the clearance seems to be taking under six to nine months. Is this so? (This is really for BuMan or others on the inside.) The FBI is certainly under a lot of pressure to get us on board. I'm "in the pipeline," i.e., simply waiting for the call, so the FBI wants to get me my EOD as much and as quickly as I want to receive it. There is a lot of work that needs to be done as the intel. cadre continues to be developed. I want more than anything to do my part--all they have to do is call!

I know I'm not alone in either my questions or, frankly, frustration. I do try not to be frustrated, though. On the one hand, things are moving at the speed of bureaucracy. But on the other hand, if I didn't trust the FBI's system, then I don't suppose I'd want to work for them so badly.

[anwalt]

I think it all depends on your relationship with your supervisor. The Judge that I work for is somewhat of a paranoid weirdo. He made me promise that I would not leave for more money before I accepted the job. If he even knew that I was talking with the FBI, I am sure he would try his best to fire me. If I ever get the CO or the FO for that matter, I am sure it will come as a shock to him, especially when it is about a 65% paycut. Maybe then he will understand that not all people are simply out for money.

Kristin,
I would also like to thank you for your kind words. Everyone on this site has been very helpful and motivating. :)


Hey OhioLaw --

Federal clerkship? I did mine with a state judge. I think it proved helpful with the IA prospects. My interviewers seemed pretty interested in that aspect of my experience and how it analogized to IA work.

[OhioLaw]

Hey OhioLaw --

Federal clerkship? I did mine with a state judge. I think it proved helpful with the IA prospects. My interviewers seemed pretty interested in that aspect of my experience and how it analogized to IA work.
No Federal clerkship for me. I am the staff attorney for one of the court systems here in Cincinnati. I was also just appointed as a Magistrate for Domestic Violence cases, which is sort of cool because I am 26. The next youngest Magistrate here is 48. I would trade it all for the FBI, but my phone is still not ringing! ;)

[anwalt]

No Federal clerkship for me. I am the staff attorney for one of the court systems here in Cincinnati. I was also just appointed as a Magistrate for Domestic Violence cases, which is sort of cool because I am 26. The next youngest Magistrate here is 48. I would trade it all for the FBI, but my phone is still not ringing! ;)


Nice work with the magistrate gig. Speaking of phones, I got to work this morning and realized that I'd forgotten my cell phone. Of course, now, I'm stressing out, thinking I'll miss a call. Guess I'll have to head home for lunch . . .

[OhioLaw]

Nice work with the magistrate gig. Speaking of phones, I got to work this morning and realized that I'd forgotten my cell phone. Of course, now, I'm stressing out, thinking I'll miss a call. Guess I'll have to head home for lunch . . .
Where are you at in the process?

[anwalt]

Where are you at in the process?

Received a GS-11 CO for the HQ announcement (HQ-2005-0008) about 2 1/2 months ago (interview and PPP were completed by late May, if I'm not mistaken). BI has been going on since then.

[tdstolz]

I was recently rereading Director Mueller's 2004 report to The National Commission on Terrorist Attacks upon the United States (i.e., The FBI's Counterterrorism Program Since September 2001). I noticed that in sect. XI ("Administrative Reform") the report states: "Thanks to a concerted effort by the Administrative Services Division, the average time for the background investigation process has been reduced from over six months to less than three months, which has helped us hire significantly more support personnel" (59). For the report, go to: http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2004_hr/mueller_statement.pdf

I believe the Security Division now handles adjudications entirely, part of the FBI's streamlining of the hiring process (of which we are are very grateful, I'm sure!). Are BI's currently being handled so quickly? I realize there really is no "average" BI and that HQ is swamped with applicants to clear. But is what Director Mueller said in 2004 about the reduction in the amount of time for BIs still the case?

Thanks!

[anwalt]

I was recently rereading Director Mueller's 2004 report to The National Commission on Terrorist Attacks upon the United States (i.e., The FBI's Counterterrorism Program Since September 2001). I noticed that in sect. XI ("Administrative Reform") the report states: "Thanks to a concerted effort by the Administrative Services Division, the average time for the background investigation process has been reduced from over six months to less than three months, which has helped us hire significantly more support personnel" (59). For the report, go to: http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2004_hr/mueller_statement.pdf

I believe the Security Division now handles adjudications entirely, part of the FBI's streamlining of the hiring process (of which we are are very grateful, I'm sure!). Are BI's currently being handled so quickly? I realize there really is no "average" BI and that HQ is swamped with applicants to clear. But is what Director Mueller said in 2004 about the reduction in the amount of time for BIs still the case?

Thanks!


That's consistent with the other report -- which mentioned a 70-day turnaround -- which was brought up earlier by someone else. I posted the link to that report on the first page of this thread. Again, that particular timeframe applied to TS clearances that were done for state/local officials.

[tdstolz]

That's consistent with the other report -- which mentioned a 70-day turnaround -- which was brought up earlier by someone else. I posted the link to that report on the first page of this thread. Again, that particular timeframe applied to TS clearances that were done for state/local officials.

Thanks for the reminder. I shall have to consult the report, but I think Director Mueller's comments referred to support personnel (e.g., IAs) in particular. I wonder if this continues to be the average experience for the FBI?

[waitingindc]

Thanks for the reminder. I shall have to consult the report, but I think Director Mueller's comments referred to support personnel (e.g., IAs) in particular. I wonder if this continues to be the average experience for the FBI?
I would think that by the examples of people currently in process on these boards, the turn around time is no where near 70 days. I am now 145 days into the process, with no end in site. And there are absolutely no complicating issues in my background, never been out of the country, everyone in family born in the US, have never done drugs. The report that came out earlier this year about the IA position quotes a four to sixth month average. I believe this to be more accurate than the testimony from last year...

[Joeytlc1]

Anwalt:

Is your status on the FBI site for HQ announcement (HQ-2005-0008) showing as "Referred to Selecting Official"?

Reason for my asking is that my status is showing as "Referred to Selecting Official", I have completed: PSI, Poly, Drug and Fingerprint, Background Check (which was started August 2004 for another position that I did a phone interview for) as well. No CO offer give for 2005-0008 position but I received on last year for a different announcement.

I don't know where I stand since I have not heard anything from anyone at my FO or from HQ to be exact, even after leaving voice mail messages.

Any advice will be great!

Thanks in advance,

Frustrated & Confused

Received a GS-11 CO for the HQ announcement (HQ-2005-0008) about 2 1/2 months ago (interview and PPP were completed by late May, if I'm not mistaken). BI has been going on since then.

[txpatriot]

oh yeah, mine still says "application received" for HQ-2005-0008!

[bad_timing]

Anyone know how long it takes to get the results from the drug test?

[anwalt]

Anwalt:

Is your status on the FBI site for HQ announcement (HQ-2005-0008) showing as "Referred to Selecting Official"?

Reason for my asking is that my status is showing as "Referred to Selecting Official", I have completed: PSI, Poly, Drug and Fingerprint, Background Check (which was started August 2004 for another position that I did a phone interview for) as well. No CO offer give for 2005-0008 position but I received on last year for a different announcement.

I don't know where I stand since I have not heard anything from anyone at my FO or from HQ to be exact, even after leaving voice mail messages.

Any advice will be great!

Thanks in advance,

Frustrated & Confused

Under application status column, Quickhire shows "referred to selecting official" and "no comment" under comments column . . .

[diablo3305]

Anyone know how long it takes to get the results from the drug test?


I'm sure its pretty quick, you should know shortly after (if not before) whether or not you have passed.

[OhioLaw]

Who here besides Electa, Darkstar, and myself had an interview without any follow up? Friday will make 3 weeks since my interview. I am getting a tad bit worried that I didn't make it.

[ricki223]

I just got a reply from HQ notifying me that I am no longer being considered for this postion. They stated in the email "Keep in mind the FBI reserves the right to broaden the area of consideration at some time in the future and if you meet that criteria at the time, based on your current application, you could recieve further consideration". I don't really know what that means but I know that I'm out of this running even though my status on quickhire shows best qualified. Good luck to rest of you that are trying to get on. I do envy you.

[atxtallguy]

I just got a reply from HQ notifying me that I am no longer being considered for this postion. They stated in the email "Keep in mind the FBI reserves the right to broaden the area of consideration at some time in the future and if you meet that criteria at the time, based on your current application, you could recieve further consideration". I don't really know what that means but I know that I'm out of this running even though my status on quickhire shows best qualified. Good luck to rest of you that are trying to get on. I do envy you.

Sorry to hear that. Hopefully you will apply with the next posting and something good comes out of it. How far in the process did you get?

[OrangeAlum2003]

I just received a call from my HR contact in my local FO. She was calling to confirm that I had received a CO from HQ. Apparently, there isn't a whole lot of communication that takes place between the two entities. She had figured a CO was coming based on the recommendation of the panel with whom I interviewed, but she didn't know if I had actually been called yet.

She went over a bit of the timing and the process with me, and she has been quite helpful so far, taking plenty of time to explain as much as she knows. My poly is still scheduled for Aug. 19th, and she gave me the phone # of their nurse, presumably to schedule the drug test. I'm supposed to do this the same day as my PSI, which will take place closer to home at one of the satellite offices of my FO.

She told me that the BI will begin moving very quickly. Technically the BI starts right after you receive a CO, but she said that realistically it will get going in full force within the next 2 weeks and that I should contact all of my references to make sure they are ready for a call. She also recommended that I speak with my supervisor because although they tend to wait until the end to contact your current employer there is no guarantee. The whole BI process should take only a month, according to her. That said she doesn't expect that I would get appointed until December or January based on adjudication and funding. This is consistent with historical examples on this board and what I've budgeted in my own mind for a time frame. She said that since a new fiscal year is approaching that sometimes funding is delayed until Congress appropriates the monies. So, at least in my case, I don't expect to come on board, assuming successful BI, until at least the beginning of the next calendar year. We'll see what happens. I'll keep posting until I get in or get run out of the process. Let's hope it's the former.

[Joeytlc1]

Under application status column, Quickhire shows "referred to selecting official" and "no comment" under comments column . . .

*Is there hope with "Referred to Selecting Official" for a possible hire without receiving any CO over the phone/mail? I have completed "all" my PSI, Poly, drug test and fingerprinting, in addition to a phone interview back in August 2004.....

I don't know if they interview for each position separtely, or does it roll over to the other positions as well??

Any idea???

Thanks !

[achefswife]

I just received a call from my HR contact in my local FO. She was calling to confirm that I had received a CO from HQ. Apparently, there isn't a whole lot of communication that takes place between the two entities. She had figured a CO was coming based on the recommendation of the panel with whom I interviewed, but she didn't know if I had actually been called yet.

She went over a bit of the timing and the process with me, and she has been quite helpful so far, taking plenty of time to explain as much as she knows. My poly is still scheduled for Aug. 19th, and she gave me the phone # of their nurse, presumably to schedule the drug test. I'm supposed to do this the same day as my PSI, which will take place closer to home at one of the satellite offices of my FO.

She told me that the BI will begin moving very quickly. Technically the BI starts right after you receive a CO, but she said that realistically it will get going in full force within the next 2 weeks and that I should contact all of my references to make sure they are ready for a call. She also recommended that I speak with my supervisor because although they tend to wait until the end to contact your current employer there is no guarantee. The whole BI process should take only a month, according to her. That said she doesn't expect that I would get appointed until December or January based on adjudication and funding. This is consistent with historical examples on this board and what I've budgeted in my own mind for a time frame. She said that since a new fiscal year is approaching that sometimes funding is delayed until Congress appropriates the monies. So, at least in my case, I don't expect to come on board, assuming successful BI, until at least the beginning of the next calendar year. We'll see what happens. I'll keep posting until I get in or get run out of the process. Let's hope it's the former.

I'm not sure if this was already asked, but when did you apply. I've been in the pipeline since June 13, 2005 (interview day).

[CPD-Dispatcher]

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