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achefswife
08-09-2005, 15:42
At some point we will get to the light at the end of the tunnel.
waitingindc
08-09-2005, 15:54
At some point we will get to the light at the end of the tunnel.
Just let it not be a train that we are seeing...
achefswife, I don't remember, did you apply for the B-ham field office? I did my undergraduate at Alabama and when asked what FO's I would consider, I said B-ham was at the top of my list...
achefswife
08-09-2005, 16:00
Just let it not be a train that we are seeing...
achefswife, I don't remember, did you apply for the B-ham field office? I did my undergraduate at Alabama and when asked what FO's I would consider, I said B-ham was at the top of my list...
Yes, B'ham was choice number one, but I would not really mind getting my second or third choice either... Dallas or San Antonio.
Sorry for the repeat, but just asking in the new thread.
Who here besides Electa, Darkstar, and myself had an interview without any follow up? Friday will make 3 weeks since my interview. I am getting a tad bit worried that I didn't make it.
electra1978
08-09-2005, 16:13
This may have been asked before, but if you don't mind answering, how old is everyone applying the IA position? Anyone know what is the average age for an IA in the Bureau?
I myself recently turned 27. I'm also glad to see I'm not the only female here...
Just curious...
electra1978
08-09-2005, 16:16
Sorry for the repeat, but just asking in the new thread.
Who here besides Electa, Darkstar, and myself had an interview without any follow up? Friday will make 3 weeks since my interview. I am getting a tad bit worried that I didn't make it.
Yeah, I am also a nervous nelly right now, but didn't someone find out that everyone is supposed to be contacted by August 17?
I am nervous yet confident that we will continue in the process. SystemsGuy05, have you heard back? I know you interviewed at my FO...
Sorry for the repeat, but just asking in the new thread.
Who here besides Electa, Darkstar, and myself had an interview without any follow up? Friday will make 3 weeks since my interview. I am getting a tad bit worried that I didn't make it.
I had my interview July 26th and haven't heard anything back yet. I think I'll try to wait until the 17th and maybe call the AC contact they gave me if I don't hear anything by then.
This may have been asked before, but if you don't mind answering, how old is everyone applying the IA position? Anyone know what is the average age for an IA in the Bureau?
I myself recently turned 27. I'm also glad to see I'm not the only female here...
Just curious...
I just turned 28 (day before my interview!) And I'm another female too....
electra1978
08-09-2005, 16:23
I had my interview July 26th and haven't heard anything back yet. I think I'll try to wait until the 17th and maybe call the AC contact they gave me if I don't hear anything by then.
I'm wondering. Since there doesn't seem to be much communication between the FO and HQ, would it make more sense to contact someone in HR at HQ rather than at the FO?
mugrad04
08-09-2005, 16:29
I just turned 28 (day before my interview!) And I'm another female too....
I'm 23 and female. From the previous thread, someone mentioned that they heard that something about not being on board until Dec/Jan-is that for individuals who are interviewing in July/August or is that for everyone?
darkstar
08-09-2005, 16:43
This may have been asked before, but if you don't mind answering, how old is everyone applying the IA position? Anyone know what is the average age for an IA in the Bureau?
I myself recently turned 27. I'm also glad to see I'm not the only female here...
Just curious...
i'm 31, hope to be employed w/ the bureau by the time i'm 32...
darkstar
08-09-2005, 16:49
Yeah, I am also a nervous nelly right now, but didn't someone find out that everyone is supposed to be contacted by August 17?
I am nervous yet confident that we will continue in the process. SystemsGuy05, have you heard back? I know you interviewed at my FO...
i'm sure you'll get the call... remember how nervous you were when you were one of the last of us to get called in for an interview? it's only been a couple of weeks, i think waiting one more is not unreasonable... on my end, if i don't hear anything by the 17th i think i'm gonna call my FO again... couldn't hurt...
and on a non-bureau topic, i couldn't help but notice by your icon that you're a sox fan... i'm a HUGE sox fan, have been since '99 or so... i think i mentioned that my wife and i recently honeymooned on the east coast, and she, being the sport that she is, ok'd a trip to fenway (which was a first for both of us)... standing room only tickets were all we could get (i couldn't believe the demand for a weekday game against a last place team), but i didn't care... absolutely the best place anywhere to watch a game... and it didn't hurt that manny hit one out and the sox won... :)
This may have been asked before, but if you don't mind answering, how old is everyone applying the IA position? Anyone know what is the average age for an IA in the Bureau?
I myself recently turned 27. I'm also glad to see I'm not the only female here...
Just curious...
Hi Electra:
I turned 34 in May, female as well. Yes the age is cutoff is creeping up on me!
Hi Electra:
I turned 34 in May, female as well. Yes the age is cutoff is creeping up on me!
No cutoff for IA positions. That only applies to SA positions (1811s) due to the fact that they have a mandatory retirement at 57 and must work 20 years within their retirement system due to the different earning rate they have (shortened careers).
As far as age goes, I'm currently in an ACES class and I'd reckon the average age is somewhere around the mid- to upper-30's with a range of experience going from 6 weeks (this is week four of the class) to 18+ years. I believe there's a few more women than men in the IA ranks overall, but it varies depending upon the office.
BuMan,
I am in consideration for both GS-9 and -11 positions. Looks like the -09 (HQ position) will happen soon, like in a month. The GS-11, not sure how long will that take and that is in a FO.
I am thinking of accepting the -09 position for now and consider the -11 when and if that comes in.
Can you please enumerate the pluses and minuses of accepting the -09 now. Am I automatically disqualified for FO -11 if I accept the HQ -09 position?
How long does it take, in the normal process, for a -09 to become a -11 in the FBI?
Thanks
CA
achefswife
08-09-2005, 18:00
This may have been asked before, but if you don't mind answering, how old is everyone applying the IA position? Anyone know what is the average age for an IA in the Bureau?
I myself recently turned 27. I'm also glad to see I'm not the only female here...
Just curious...
I'm 29 and hoping to be in before I turn 30..... would like to start a family at some point.
diablo3305
08-09-2005, 18:12
just turned 24
This thread looks like the personal ads :D I am 26 and male. I enjoy camping, baseball, working out....
With respect to HQ positions, is the actual work site located at the J. Edgar Hoover Building or, rather, at some other location in D.C.? Or, for that matter, outside of the city, such as at the Quantico?
Sorry for the repeat, but just asking in the new thread.
Who here besides Electa, Darkstar, and myself had an interview without any follow up? Friday will make 3 weeks since my interview. I am getting a tad bit worried that I didn't make it.
Interviewed June 7, 2005 and submitted my BI paperwork at that time. No follow up yet :rolleyes: .
OrangeAlum2003
08-09-2005, 18:31
This thread looks like the personal ads :D I am 26 and male. I enjoy camping, baseball, working out....
I'm a 28 year old male who enjoys watching baseball (although my team SUCKS this year), playing softball, reading books on contemporary affairs, traveling and many other leisure activities.
Questions are free, answers will cost you...
1. How long does it take to get from a GS-9 to a GS-11 in the FBI?
That depends. The factors include the work role, the division/office you're assigned to, and your level of performance once you get on the job. With the new promotion system, the GS-9 to 11 promotion is handled by a division career board. You need to be able to show you're performing at the GS-11 standard to a career board, with a writeup and examples to demonstrate it. There's a minimum time of one year in grade before you're eligible to get promoted, so that's the minimum.
2. What are the pluses/minuses of accepting a HQ GS-9 position now?
It depends. If a particular field office is near and dear to your heart, then grabbing that position may be important to you. If the field office in question is the Washington Field Office, then take the money, as all other things are equal. The bottom line is that the perception exists that promotion is easier at Headquarters than it is in the field offices. Whether that's true or not, I'm not sure as the system hasn't been in place that long. There's a couple of other things to consider - If they are offering you a salary based upon your comparable salary, you'll probably end up at the same pay level in any case. The GS-11 gets you two steps closer to a GS-14/15 position down the road, even if they step you in the GS-9 grade to be at the same pay level. In the long run, it may not make a big difference, since there is talk about pay banding for IAs in the short to medium term. Then the individual grades will go away (to a degree) and competency levels (at the broadest sense) will take over. I don't know the specifics of your position and wouldn't advise you some specific course of action based on incomplete information. Talk to the Staffing folks to find out where you stand with the other position, though.
3. Work location for HQ positions
That also depends. There are some positions that are FBIHQ divisions that have off-sites in Maryland, Northern Virginia, and around DC. I'm part of a theoretically HQ division which is located in Quantico, VA, which is about 45 minutes south of DC. So the division you are assigned to will make the determination where your specific workplace will be.
OrangeAlum2003
08-09-2005, 19:29
Mid-year performance reviews are taking place at my place of employment currently, and the cutoff date for new hires receiving a review was June 1. Well, I started on May 31st, lucky me. So, I sat down with my boss today to go over my performance to date, albeit brief since I'm just into my third month. He proceeded to tell me how great I was doing and how my review will be different from the others he does because I'm exceeding his expectations tremendously. He then goes on to tell me that instead of telling me where I need to improve that he wants to work with me to develop those skills that will help me get to the next level. He even went on to say that I would be a prime candidate to take over his role if he were to move into a different position (wow!).
So what do I say? Overwhelmed with guilt, I tell him everything about the FBI and how it really came about unexpectedly. I told him that if I do pass the background and decide it's for me that I wouldn't likely leave until December/January, and not before giving him plenty of notice. I guess it's good to be appreciated and rewarded, but it sure makes it a much more difficult scenario when faced with an alternative. It sure as hell ain't about the money, because I know I'd make a lot more with my current company over the next 10 years than with the gov. That said I'm just so passionate about the work (FBI that is), I can't get the desire out of my head. When/if it comes down to crunch time I'm not 100% sure what decision I'll make, but I know I'll always wonder what it would have been like if I don't take the IA job. The good thing is my boss was totally cool about it and completely supportive. He knows to expect a call in the next couple of weeks, and said that he won't change my role here in the future. I just hope that if given the opportunity with the Bureau that I can make the same sort of impression. :)
Good to hear that your boss was understanding. Mine would not be and with the uncertainty of the whole IA position, I will not be telling him anything anytime soon. I would gladly give him 3-4 weeks notice, but he will get nothing until I have a def. FO. Without a CO, I don't even know if that is coming, so I will keep it quiet.
Questions are free, answers will cost you....
Thank You!
I will buy you that free lunch when I get to Q. Promise.
mugrad04
08-09-2005, 20:06
Mid-year performance reviews are taking place at my place of employment currently, and the cutoff date for new hires receiving a review was June 1. Well, I started on May 31st, lucky me. So, I sat down with my boss today to go over my performance to date, albeit brief since I'm just into my third month. He proceeded to tell me how great I was doing and how my review will be different from the others he does because I'm exceeding his expectations tremendously. He then goes on to tell me that instead of telling me where I need to improve that he wants to work with me to develop those skills that will help me get to the next level. He even went on to say that I would be a prime candidate to take over his role if he were to move into a different position (wow!).
So what do I say? Overwhelmed with guilt, I tell him everything about the FBI and how it really came about unexpectedly. I told him that if I do pass the background and decide it's for me that I wouldn't likely leave until December/January, and not before giving him plenty of notice. I guess it's good to be appreciated and rewarded, but it sure makes it a much more difficult scenario when faced with an alternative. It sure as hell ain't about the money, because I know I'd make a lot more with my current company over the next 10 years than with the gov. That said I'm just so passionate about the work (FBI that is), I can't get the desire out of my head. When/if it comes down to crunch time I'm not 100% sure what decision I'll make, but I know I'll always wonder what it would have been like if I don't take the IA job. The good thing is my boss was totally cool about it and completely supportive. He knows to expect a call in the next couple of weeks, and said that he won't change my role here in the future. I just hope that if given the opportunity with the Bureau that I can make the same sort of impression. :)
Your boss seems nice. I had a nights notice to call my boss and tell her that the fbi would be visiting her that afternoon. I had to do the whole thing over the phone with her because it was my day off. My boss seems cool with the whole idea but I know that I will never get promoted because she knows that I am looking elsewhere. Just today, she asked me if I knew anything. I have no idea what to say to hear, so I just smile and say no.
Good luck with your process, OrangeAlum.
Thank You!
I will buy you that free lunch when I get to Q. Promise.
Ummm...that's OK. After eating four weeks in the cafeteria at QT during the ACES course, I think I'd rather skip lunch and go hungry. To call what they serve in the cafeteria food is to take a very generous interpretation of food.
electra1978
08-09-2005, 21:18
i'm sure you'll get the call... remember how nervous you were when you were one of the last of us to get called in for an interview? it's only been a couple of weeks, i think waiting one more is not unreasonable... on my end, if i don't hear anything by the 17th i think i'm gonna call my FO again... couldn't hurt...
and on a non-bureau topic, i couldn't help but notice by your icon that you're a sox fan... i'm a HUGE sox fan, have been since '99 or so... i think i mentioned that my wife and i recently honeymooned on the east coast, and she, being the sport that she is, ok'd a trip to fenway (which was a first for both of us)... standing room only tickets were all we could get (i couldn't believe the demand for a weekday game against a last place team), but i didn't care... absolutely the best place anywhere to watch a game... and it didn't hurt that manny hit one out and the sox won... :)
As always Darkstar, you are the beacon of reason in this journey of confusion. :D I'm keepin' the faith, and you're right, one more week of waiting... Heck, I've gone through months of waiting so as long as I get the outcome I want, they can take all the time in the world.
Woo-hoo!!! A fellow Sox fan! You really can't live in Boston without succumbing to the Sox magic. I even noticed Sox memorabilia strategically placed around my FO when I went in to interview. Thank goodness we're keepin' Manny...
electra1978
08-09-2005, 21:30
No cutoff for IA positions. That only applies to SA positions (1811s) due to the fact that they have a mandatory retirement at 57 and must work 20 years within their retirement system due to the different earning rate they have (shortened careers).
As far as age goes, I'm currently in an ACES class and I'd reckon the average age is somewhere around the mid- to upper-30's with a range of experience going from 6 weeks (this is week four of the class) to 18+ years. I believe there's a few more women than men in the IA ranks overall, but it varies depending upon the office.
Thanks BuMan! You didn't say how old you are though... :)
No cutoff for IA positions. That only applies to SA positions (1811s) due to the fact that they have a mandatory retirement at 57 and must work 20 years within their retirement system due to the different earning rate they have (shortened careers).
As far as age goes, I'm currently in an ACES class and I'd reckon the average age is somewhere around the mid- to upper-30's with a range of experience going from 6 weeks (this is week four of the class) to 18+ years. I believe there's a few more women than men in the IA ranks overall, but it varies depending upon the office.
Thanks BuMan: Good to know I still have time!
As always Darkstar, you are the beacon of reason in this journey of confusion. :D I'm keepin' the faith, and you're right, one more week of waiting... Heck, I've gone through months of waiting so as long as I get the outcome I want, they can take all the time in the world.
Woo-hoo!!! A fellow Sox fan! You really can't live in Boston without succumbing to the Sox magic. I even noticed Sox memorabilia strategically placed around my FO when I went in to interview. Thank goodness we're keepin' Manny...
Manny, now you are talking my team! Hopefully he will wear the Cleveland Indians hat when he goes into the hall. :p Of course I have adopted the Reds since I am here in Cincinnati, but they suck.
Perhaps the three of us will be getting the call tomorrow. I am like Electra in that if the outcome is what I want, then take all the time you need. If not, then just let me know now for I can quit worrying about it! ;)
electra1978
08-09-2005, 21:43
This thread looks like the personal ads :D I am 26 and male. I enjoy camping, baseball, working out....
:D You and Orange crack me up. It is interesting though that there aren't very many singles here. I'm sure that must make this whole process even more difficult....
OrangeAlum2003
08-10-2005, 00:24
:D You and Orange crack me up. It is interesting though that there aren't very many singles here. I'm sure that must make this whole process even more difficult....
Yeah, but everyone has their own issues. The hardest part is the uncertainty. I've lived in several places, so I know the reality of moving. Life is pretty much the same everywhere, just that the weather changes with geography. People are pretty much the same wherever you go. Not knowing what the future holds is exciting but burdensome at times. My wife and I have been in this "transition" mode for a few years now, and it would be nice to put roots down somewhere for a while. We were starting to do that here until the FBI finally decided they were interested. So the good thing is that either way that this turns out it will initiate some stability in my life. That's the hope at least.
bad_timing
08-10-2005, 05:58
I'm a 28 year old male who enjoys watching baseball (although my team SUCKS this year), playing softball, reading books on contemporary affairs, traveling and many other leisure activities.
I'm 25. I am an Aries who enjoys long walks on the beach and puppies LOL!
We don't even talk about baseball where I'm from.
bad_timing
08-10-2005, 06:21
:D there aren't very many singles here. I'm sure that must make this whole process even more difficult....
I'm flying solo like Maverick after Goose died. With that said, I am ready and willing to go anywhere without hesitation. I even told the panel I would go to Alaska if they needed me to. :)
However, I'm quite sure that everyone else in here would relocate at the drop of the FBI hat as well.
eff-bee-eye
08-10-2005, 07:08
How long does it take, in the normal process, for a -09 to become a -11 in the FBI?
Thanks
CA
Buman gave you the correct answer (of course) about at least a year to meet the minimum requirements, and having to write up a justification package with work examples to show you are doing GS-11 level analysis. I will just add that it is fairly easy to go from a 9 to an 11, as long as you are proactive in your work responsibilities, seek new job duties, etc you should be golden. I have never seen an analyst who didn't get their 11 one year after their 9 (out of the dozen or so analysts I know that put in for their 11). Buman may have some other success rates. But for me it took about 14 months to go from 9 to 11, because the career boards only meet quarterly, so you might lose a few months until your package can be reviewed. BTW, the easiest promotion is from 7 to 9, your supervisor just signs off on it, no career boards.
Oh and I am 25, started at 22.
electra1978
08-10-2005, 08:05
Buman gave you the correct answer (of course) about at least a year to meet the minimum requirements, and having to write up a justification package with work examples to show you are doing GS-11 level analysis. I will just add that it is fairly easy to go from a 9 to an 11, as long as you are proactive in your work responsibilities, seek new job duties, etc you should be golden. I have never seen an analyst who didn't get their 11 one year after their 9 (out of the dozen or so analysts I know that put in for their 11). Buman may have some other success rates. But for me it took about 14 months to go from 9 to 11, because the career boards only meet quarterly, so you might lose a few months until your package can be reviewed. BTW, the easiest promotion is from 7 to 9, your supervisor just signs off on it, no career boards.
Oh and I am 25, started at 22.
Wow! I can't believe you're only 25! I thought for sure you were in your mid-30s from the amount of experience you've been able share with us. (Yikes, based on that logic it's a good thing I didn't say how old I though BuMan is) :)
It's really encouraging that promotion isn't so tough in the Bureau especially since I see myself as a career IA. I know some other agencies are really bad about that.
electra1978
08-10-2005, 08:07
I'm 25. I am an Aries who enjoys long walks on the beach and puppies LOL!
We don't even talk about baseball where I'm from.
:eek: Where pray tell are you from where they don't talk about baseball?? :)
:eek: Where pray tell are you from where they don't talk about baseball?? :)
He must be from Detroit. I wouldn't talk about it much either if I was from there :p
bad_timing
08-10-2005, 08:28
:eek: Where pray tell are you from where they don't talk about baseball?? :)
Ma'am-
I am from Detroit.
I retract my comment about not talking about baseball. We talk about it a lot actually. We discuss why the Tigers haven't underwent contraction yet because no one cares to talk about the basement of the American League. Especially with the Pistons, Lions, and now returning Red Wings, the Tigers are no more than a blip on the radar screen. I say blip because they aren't as bad as the Royals...yet!
electra1978
08-10-2005, 08:28
He must be from Detroit. I wouldn't talk about it much either if I was from there :p
Ouch! :)
I'm actually a new baseball fan myself. Living overseas, football is soccer, and no one gets why baseball is so popular over here because they think it's comatosely boring.
eff-bee-eye
08-10-2005, 08:29
Wow! I can't believe you're only 25! I thought for sure you were in your mid-30s from the amount of experience you've been able share with us. (Yikes, based on that logic it's a good thing I didn't say how old I though BuMan is) :)
It's really encouraging that promotion isn't so tough in the Bureau especially since I see myself as a career IA. I know some other agencies are really bad about that.
Well thanks I guess! I like to think that I am a fast learner and motivated, so hopefully that is what comes across to you. As far as Buman, well he's said on here he's been with the Bureau for about 14 years, so you can at least take an educated guess as to his age.
But I wouldn't jump to say that promotion "isn't so tough", because I was just talking specifically about the 7 to 9 and 9 to 11 levels, where it is easier. The 12's are a little tougher to get than the 11's obviously, and the 13/14's are really where it gets TOUGH, and you should definitely not expect to go from a 12 to a 13 in one year.
bad_timing
08-10-2005, 08:32
Well thanks I guess! I like to think that I am a fast learner and motivated, so hopefully that is what comes across to you. As far as Buman, well he's said on here he's been with the Bureau for about 14 years, so you can at least take an educated guess as to his age.
But I wouldn't jump to say that promotion "isn't so tough", because I was just talking specifically about the 7 to 9 and 9 to 11 levels, where it is easier. The 12's are a little tougher to get than the 11's obviously, and the 13/14's are really where it gets TOUGH, and you should definitely not expect to go from a 12 to a 13 in one year.
Geez...I just want to get in at this point. As long as I have enough money to eat once or twice a week I'll be fine. :p
electra1978
08-10-2005, 08:37
Well thanks I guess! I like to think that I am a fast learner and motivated, so hopefully that is what comes across to you. As far as Buman, well he's said on here he's been with the Bureau for about 14 years, so you can at least take an educated guess as to his age.
But I wouldn't jump to say that promotion "isn't so tough", because I was just talking specifically about the 7 to 9 and 9 to 11 levels, where it is easier. The 12's are a little tougher to get than the 11's obviously, and the 13/14's are really where it gets TOUGH, and you should definitely not expect to go from a 12 to a 13 in one year.
Definitely meant as a compliment...
I interviewed at the GS-9 level, and I'm still in the pipeline at the GS-7 so I was just relieved that should I get in, I wouldn't have to wait a couple years to get to the next level. It makes sense that the higher you go, the moire demanding the requirements, and the slower the promotion process.
Does anyone know the type of hours an IA works? I know that SA do a 50+ hour week, but don't know much about the IA load.
bad_timing
08-10-2005, 08:52
Does anyone know the type of hours an IA works? I know that SA do a 50+ hour week, but don't know much about the IA load.
I was told in my interview that it's usually 40 hours but there are a lot of instances where 50+ hours and weekend work occurs depending on the status of the political atmosphere.
eff-bee-eye
08-10-2005, 08:58
Yeah, REALLY depends on what unit you get assigned to, and if it is in the field or at HQ can factor in there, too. At HQ, you have some 24/7 units (like mine), where you might even have to do shift work, work midnights, etc. Of course, they usually put the new people on the less-desirable night shifts. (You do get paid a night-differential though, for working any time between 6pm-6am you get I think 10% more to your hourly wage)
But I know a lot of analysts at HQ who never work a drop over 40 hours (unless they want OT for some extra $$), and then I know a few who work in units where sometimes they are required to work extra hours, depending on the case and what's going on. The good thing about that is, as an IA, any hours over your standard 40 are considered OT and you can rake in some nice $$ if you have to or want to work extra.
Does anyone know the type of hours an IA works? I know that SA do a 50+ hour week, but don't know much about the IA load.
To piggyback on your question, OhioLaw: given the stated option of a flexible schedule, is it permissible to "compress" 50-60 hours into a four day workweek?
eff-bee-eye
08-10-2005, 09:04
We do have AWS (alternative work schedules), where depending on if your Unit/Supervisor is cool with it, you can work 4 10's and 3 days off to get your 40. Or sometimes people will do 9 hour days and get one weekday off every other week.
bad_timing
08-10-2005, 09:04
To piggyback on your question, OhioLaw: given the stated option of a flexible schedule, is it permissible to "compress" 50-60 hours into a four day workweek?
That is a good question because I work a CPW with DoD.
electra1978
08-10-2005, 09:08
Does anyone know the type of hours an IA works? I know that SA do a 50+ hour week, but don't know much about the IA load.
I asked the 3 supervisory analysts on my panel interview and they said there really isn't a typical work week. Officially the hours are from 8:15-5 pm, but they said most of the time you will work well over that. They occasionally put in close to 24 hour days especially when there is something big going on, and working weekends is quite common...
eff-bee-eye
08-10-2005, 09:15
They occasionally put in close to 24 hour days especially when there is something big going on, and working weekends is quite common...
Hmm, I've never heard of that 24 hours thing. Maybe after something like 9/11, but I think that maybe they were just trying to stress that you may be asked/required to go above and beyond the call of duty.
electra1978
08-10-2005, 09:23
Hmm, I've never heard of that 24 hours thing. Maybe after something like 9/11, but I think that maybe they were just trying to stress that you may be asked/required to go above and beyond the call of duty.
They were definitely trying to hammer home that point. They even emphasized that everyone at some point will be asked to do non-IA tasks like coffee, trash detail, etc. I told them I do make a mean cappuccino....
As far as the 24 hour shift, they referred to a recent case in Boston where 6 suspected terrorists were thought to have infiltrated the country and were thought to be in the New England area. Everyone basically worked well into the wee hours of the morning on the case only to find out that it was a hoax.
waitingindc
08-10-2005, 09:26
Ouch! :)
I'm actually a new baseball fan myself. Living overseas, football is soccer, and no one gets why baseball is so popular over here because they think it's comatosely boring.
I am from the south and was raised to view baseball as boring.
Now that Washington has baseball, or at least until the all-star break when the first place nationals decided that they didn't feel like it was fair to keep winning, I am desparately tring to get into it, but have thus far been unsuccessful.
All I can say is why would you watch baseball when college football season is only one month away.
With that, let me add.................ROLL TIDE ROLL!!!!!!
oh yeah, 27 male, soon to be married to a beautiful Alabama girl
Did anyone bring up that unfavorable DOJ IA report at their interview? I discussed it with them for little while. They said that the report was not typical of their experiences. I said that is what I figured.
bad_timing
08-10-2005, 09:48
Did anyone bring up that unfavorable DOJ IA report at their interview? I discussed it with them for little while. They said that the report was not typical of their experiences. I said that is what I figured.
I just made a reference to the attrition rates and how I want to be a career I/A with the FBI regardless of what any report says.
Jedburgh II
08-10-2005, 10:18
...You do get paid a night-differential though, for working any time between 6pm-6am you get I think 10% more to your hourly wage....
...as an IA, any hours over your standard 40 are considered OT and you can rake in some nice $$ if you have to or want to work extra...
...We do have AWS (alternative work schedules), where depending on if your Unit/Supervisor is cool with it, you can work 4 10's and 3 days off to get your 40. Or sometimes people will do 9 hour days and get one weekday off every other week...
Night Differential!? Overtime!? Alternative Work Schedules!? :eek:
Damn. If only the military had that, I'd have been a rich man by now.
...you should definitely not expect to go from a 12 to a 13 in one year.
Now slow promotions is something I can relate to. The operational environment is far more important than the cash.
systemsguy05
08-10-2005, 10:53
Haven't posted in some time...since the interview, I didn't want to drive myself insane waiting for the call, haha, so just been spending time reading and hitting the gym instead!!
(Oh yeah, and working...a whole lot of working...)
But obviously I couldn't stay away from the forum forever...so yeah, I'm another one who has yet to hear back from an interview, mine was on 7/29. I'm still keeping the fingers crossed, of course (at this point I think my fingers might be permanently fixed in that position...)
In response to other recent topics on the board...I'm 23, male, a huge Sox fan (and yes, I thank God they did not trade Manny, that would have been unforgivably stupid), and would be more than happy to relocate and/or work the occasional 24-hour shift if that's what it takes to get the position!!
OrangeAlum2003
08-10-2005, 10:54
Did anyone bring up that unfavorable DOJ IA report at their interview? I discussed it with them for little while. They said that the report was not typical of their experiences. I said that is what I figured.
I referenced the report directly and asked what they thought about it. None of the three panelists denied that there have been issues assimilating the analyst cadre into the FBI mainstream. The FBI has traditionally been dominated by SA's, for good reason, and introducing a new core of talent threatens some of the old guard. The panelists impressed on me, however, that these "old guard" SA's were the minority and that the movement within the Bureau is to incorporate analysts into meaningful productive roles working in conjunction with SA's, not competing against them. Everyone, according to them, has to take out trash once in a while and escort non-cleared contractors in the building.
Hey all,
Does anyone know if having 2 immediate siblings living in a foreign country, specifically one of the four communish countries left, can affect my BI? I hope that it won't affect their decision since 7 other members of my family are living in the US now. I am very nervous.
electra1978
08-10-2005, 12:03
Hey all,
Does anyone know if having 2 immediate siblings living in a foreign country, specifically one of the four communish countries left, can affect my BI? I hope that it won't affect their decision since 7 other members of my family are living in the US now. I am very nervous.
I don't think there is a cookie-cutter answer to this. I'm sure it will lengthen your BI, but if they see any red flags, I'm sure they'll ask you to clarify things. I would think though that in this day and age, having foreign contacts would be a good thing assuming they are deemed non-threatening to national security...
diablo3305
08-10-2005, 12:08
Hey all,
Does anyone know if having 2 immediate siblings living in a foreign country, specifically one of the four communish countries left, can affect my BI? I hope that it won't affect their decision since 7 other members of my family are living in the US now. I am very nervous.
You should discuss this with your contact at the FBI, they would be best able to help you with this.
bad_timing
08-10-2005, 14:33
Hey all,
Does anyone know if having 2 immediate siblings living in a foreign country, specifically one of the four communish countries left, can affect my BI? I hope that it won't affect their decision since 7 other members of my family are living in the US now. I am very nervous.
Unless that person is a known terrorist, I am sure you will be fine :) However, I would still discuss it with the Bureau.
Colonials322
08-10-2005, 15:07
If there is anyone who interviewed in July and has not heard yet do not worry because I interviewed then, and just got a call from someone at FBI asking if I was still interested, and he basically said I have been tentatively selected as a GS-7 and will probably hear from someone soon (who knows how soon) about moving on in the process.
electra1978
08-10-2005, 16:04
If there is anyone who interviewed in July and has not heard yet do not worry because I interviewed then, and just got a call from someone at FBI asking if I was still interested, and he basically said I have been tentatively selected as a GS-7 and will probably hear from someone soon (who knows how soon) about moving on in the process.
That's awesome!! Congrats! What day did you interview?? I interviewed the 25th and I know there are people who interviewed before that who haven't heard yet...
Colonials322
08-10-2005, 16:06
Thanks electra (go BOSOX!),
I cannot remember what day exactly, but it was around the end of June/early July.
Good luck.
Does anyone know the type of hours an IA works? I know that SA do a 50+ hour week, but don't know much about the IA load.
40 hours standard. As noted elsewhere, there are units which may require shift work or alternate work schedules to provide coverage. With overtime being somewhat limited lately (cutbacks due to VCF/Sentinel funding requirements), most weeks are 40-hour weeks. There are supervisors who will work with you on the AWS and find something that works for you. But remember, whatever your work schedule, it's got to work for the FBI. I'm sure there are people out there who would like to work three 12-hour days, one four hour day and have three and a half days a week off. Probably not going to happen, though.
As far as really long shifts go - they are the exception, not the norm. I've had a couple of really long days like that for exercises and operations, but you just can't sustain that for very long and get any quality work done, so it's counterproductive.
Thanks eff-bee-eye & BuMan.
Quick question. I never had a formal IA panel interview, per se. A few months ago I got a call from HQ asking about my SA application and why I got rejected (Medical reasons) and asked if I passed the phase II etc.
After that the process just picked up stream and I never had a panel interview. They (re)did my background again and my work was (re)visited. No Polygraph or drug test (I guess they picked that from the SA process?)
And the SA who called me yesterday said I am almost there.
So what happens to the panel interview? Because I passed the phase II for SA process, do they waive the IA interview??
Thanks again.
darkstar
08-10-2005, 18:35
As always Darkstar, you are the beacon of reason in this journey of confusion. :D I'm keepin' the faith, and you're right, one more week of waiting... Heck, I've gone through months of waiting so as long as I get the outcome I want, they can take all the time in the world.
Woo-hoo!!! A fellow Sox fan! You really can't live in Boston without succumbing to the Sox magic. I even noticed Sox memorabilia strategically placed around my FO when I went in to interview. Thank goodness we're keepin' Manny...
it's not easy to just relax and not obsess about the what-ifs, but this process has helped me discover levels of patience i never dreamed i possessed... i guess you could say that's the silver lining in the dark cloud of potential rejection... :) good things are just around the bend...
yes, it is a good think manny's sticking around... but to be honest, i got the impression that mgmt was never going to let him go... i think manny's demands to be traded were just another manefestation of a personality that his supporters characterize as "eccentric" and his detractors call "flakey." seems like all he wanted was to feel needed and appreciated by fans and mgmt (in the end, he got plenty from both) so all's well in beantown, at least for the time being... and the sox just keep on rollin'...
darkstar
08-10-2005, 18:43
Ouch! :)
I'm actually a new baseball fan myself. Living overseas, football is soccer, and no one gets why baseball is so popular over here because they think it's comatosely boring.
funny how american football and baseball haven't really gained much popularity throughout much of the rest of the world (except for baseball in japan), even though they're both based on sports imported from europe, yet basketball, which is what i would characterize as a distinctly american innovation, thrives throughout most of europe and is branching further east w/ each passing year...
just a random observation... taking a break from thinking about the bureau for a minute or two... ok, i'm obsessing again... all's well...
achefswife
08-10-2005, 18:47
I am from the south and was raised to view baseball as boring.
Now that Washington has baseball, or at least until the all-star break when the first place nationals decided that they didn't feel like it was fair to keep winning, I am desparately tring to get into it, but have thus far been unsuccessful.
All I can say is why would you watch baseball when college football season is only one month away.
With that, let me add.................ROLL TIDE ROLL!!!!!!
oh yeah, 27 male, soon to be married to a beautiful Alabama girl
ROOOLLLLL TIDE ROOOOOLLLLLL!!!!!!!
darkstar
08-10-2005, 18:51
If there is anyone who interviewed in July and has not heard yet do not worry because I interviewed then, and just got a call from someone at FBI asking if I was still interested, and he basically said I have been tentatively selected as a GS-7 and will probably hear from someone soon (who knows how soon) about moving on in the process.
fyi, i still have yet to hear anything... interviewed on 7/28...
i have a question... we've seen a few ppl on here who were informed that they weren't progressing further in the process w/o having rec'd an interview (hang in there guys, i'm sure another posting is just around the corner)...has anyone here interviewed w/in the last couple of months (or knows of someone who interviewed) and received the thin envelope (or its electronic/telephonic equivalent)?
OrangeAlum2003
08-10-2005, 18:59
fyi, i still have yet to hear anything... interviewed on 7/28...
i have a question... we've seen a few ppl on here who were informed that they weren't progressing further in the process w/o having rec'd an interview (hang in there guys, i'm sure another posting is just around the corner)...has anyone here interviewed w/in the last couple of months (or knows of someone who interviewed) and received the thin envelope (or its electronic/telephonic equivalent)?
I would be shocked if the Bureau would take the time to call those who aren't proceeding further. It's like pulling teeth getting calls for those they want to hire. It was courteous of them at least to send the email stating that some candidates are no longer in the running. Others on the board did 3 P's last year and thought they were well on their way only to still be left waiting with no word. I'm lucky to have a contact at my FO that will take my call and provide me with as much information as she as. That said, the information at her disposal is often incomplete because apparently there is some disconnect between the FO and HQ.
mugrad04
08-10-2005, 19:17
I would be shocked if the Bureau would take the time to call those who aren't proceeding further. It's like pulling teeth getting calls for those they want to hire. It was courteous of them at least to send the email stating that some candidates are no longer in the running. Others on the board did 3 P's last year and thought they were well on their way only to still be left waiting with no word. I'm lucky to have a contact at my FO that will take my call and provide me with as much information as she as. That said, the information at her disposal is often incomplete because apparently there is some disconnect between the FO and HQ.
Is your contact at your FO the human resource person that scheduled your 3 P's or do you have someone else? The contact at my FO that I talk with usually has no information for me but tells me that at this point, no new is good news. From a previous post, what is supposed to be decided by August 17th, does anyone know???
darkstar
08-10-2005, 19:20
I'm lucky to have a contact at my FO that will take my call and provide me with as much information as she as. That said, the information at her disposal is often incomplete because apparently there is some disconnect between the FO and HQ.
i'm also lucky to have someone @ my FO who'll take my call and answer my questions... unfortunately, my situation is similar to yours in that the HR rep @ my FO is also unable to provide much in the way of a status update... i've resigned myself to calling every 7-10 days until i hear something definite... next phone call is sched for sometime late this week/early next...
OrangeAlum2003
08-10-2005, 19:34
Is your contact at your FO the human resource person that scheduled your 3 P's or do you have someone else? The contact at my FO that I talk with usually has no information for me but tells me that at this point, no new is good news. From a previous post, what is supposed to be decided by August 17th, does anyone know???
My contact is a woman from HR at my local FO. She is the one coordinating the schedule of my poly, psi, drug etc. She has been modestly helpful to date. I do also have another contact whom I have yet to attempt to utilize. He's the one who scheduled/administered my interview. He's an SA at my FO and led the panel interview along with another SA and one IA. I have his phone number and he said I could call if necessary, though my suspicion is that by now he's already out of the loop. He gave his recommendation to HQ to forward me along in the process, and I'm sure he hasn't given it much thought since then. If necessary, however, I bet he could look into my status if I asked him.
OrangeAlum2003
08-10-2005, 19:37
i'm also lucky to have someone @ my FO who'll take my call and answer my questions... unfortunately, my situation is similar to yours in that the HR rep @ my FO is also unable to provide much in the way of a status update... i've resigned myself to calling every 7-10 days until i hear something definite... next phone call is sched for sometime late this week/early next...
You're still waiting for a CO if I'm not mistaken. Is that correct? So far, I haven't seen anyone on this board that got an interview that has been definitively rejected. Some people on the board got an email stating they were no longer in the running, but none of those, to my knowledge, had been called in for an interview.
I'm just trying to analyze patterns and predict outcomes, though it's a difficult endeavor given the lack of apparent logic at times.
darkstar
08-10-2005, 19:49
You're still waiting for a CO if I'm not mistaken. Is that correct? So far, I haven't seen anyone on this board that got an interview that has been definitively rejected. Some people on the board got an email stating they were no longer in the running, but none of those, to my knowledge, had been called in for an interview.
that's right... i haven't either, and i don't want to be the first to report that happening to me...
I'm just trying to analyze patterns and predict outcomes, though it's a difficult endeavor given the lack of apparent logic at times.
i've been trying to do the same thing, w/ little success... the only pattern that's held true based on the info i have is that those who get interviews eventually get CO's... i hope that continues... unfortunately, we still have yet to see anyone through the who process (app to interview to CO to final offer), though i'm sure that's bound to change..
that's right... i haven't either, and i don't want to be the first to report that happening to me...
i've been trying to do the same thing, w/ little success... the only pattern that's held true based on the info i have is that those who get interviews eventually get CO's... i hope that continues... unfortunately, we still have yet to see anyone through the who process (app to interview to CO to final offer), though i'm sure that's bound to change..
I am the exact same. It is hard to get excited about a job that might not ever happen, yet I am still fairly anxious considering it all. The interview guys pretty much told me that I would be a good fit, yet here I am without a CO :o
darkstar
08-10-2005, 20:41
I am the exact same. It is hard to get excited about a job that might not ever happen, yet I am still fairly anxious considering it all. The interview guys pretty much told me that I would be a good fit, yet here I am without a CO :o
i'm sure it's just a matter of time.... it's only been a couple of weeks, right? i, like everyone else here, would like to find out asap; however, i don't consider 4-6 weeks an unreasonable time to wait for an answer...
diablo3305
08-10-2005, 20:52
i'm sure it's just a matter of time.... it's only been a couple of weeks, right? i, like everyone else here, would like to find out asap; however, i don't consider 4-6 weeks an unreasonable time to wait for an answer...
Nope, my CO came 4 months after my interview...patience, it will come. Ive been in the process about a year now. Its lengthy but comes in time.
Ellington
08-10-2005, 21:06
I agree Diablo. I am waiting patiently, and now that I have a new job as being a teacher, I spend more time thinking on my students than the FBI. I realized that when the FBI decides to contact me for any additional information, they will whether it is by phone or e-mail, so I am not worried. I just want to get my year of teaching experience out the way just to say that I did it.
larryd7593
08-10-2005, 21:13
Ok...for those trying to piece it together....
30yr old/male/USAFA Graduate/Poli Scie Degree/7yrs Active Duty AF, 4 as an IA/Active TS clearance/Being considered for GS-11 (quickhire "best qualified" status)
7/15-Interview
7/25-contacted about SF-86 questions
7/29-package submitted to HQ
8/10--told by HR rep I was highly recommended to move on by Interview panel, HQ should contact me by the end of August, also to keep in mind i should expect no LESS than 6 months and as long as 9 months AFTER the HQ call before i would get a solid job offer....this seems contrary to other posts...anyone heard the same?
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Not to be negative but if this is true...the attrition of well qualified candidates is going to be staggering when you ask people to wait nearly 2 years (I applied for the 04 vacancy that was cancelled)!!! Honestly the FBI is starting to get a black eye because of this (I read several articles back in May about this problem in the NY Times/LA Times, etc.)
You're still waiting for a CO if I'm not mistaken. Is that correct? So far, I haven't seen anyone on this board that got an interview that has been definitively rejected. Some people on the board got an email stating they were no longer in the running, but none of those, to my knowledge, had been called in for an interview.
I'm just trying to analyze patterns and predict outcomes, though it's a difficult endeavor given the lack of apparent logic at times.
Re. analyzing patterns and predicting outcomes: in my case, I am only being considered for a slot at HQ. I interviewed at the closest FO for said HQ position and, subsequently, was scheduled for PPP at same FO less than one month after that panel interview. Two days after going to the FO for the PP (actually, urine sample was taken same day as the interview), I received CO from HR person at HQ. The next day, I received a call from staffing individual at the FO advising me that I'd passed PPP and that BI would commence immediately. As of today, the BI has been underway for about 2.5 months.
It seems to me that many (most?) people here are in the loop for an FO slot. Am I off base when I think that the process for the FO positions seems to be far less streamlined? My experience, thus far, appears to be consistent with earlier posts by HQ candidates.
Who knows, eh? Just my $.02.
bad_timing
08-11-2005, 06:56
Quote from larryd: 8/10--told by HR rep I was highly recommended to move on by Interview panel, HQ should contact me by the end of August, also to keep in mind i should expect no LESS than 6 months and as long as 9 months AFTER the HQ call before i would get a solid job offer....this seems contrary to other posts...anyone heard the same?
I know that every SINGLE person is hearing something different regarding how long this process takes. Furthermore, I will write what I was told by the HR at the Detroit FO. They told me that this mass hiring for I/A's is something that the FBI has never done before. With that said, they told me that they were to have us on by 1 October. Now I don't know if that just pertains to those of us who interviewed in the "D" or not but I was told nothing about 6-9 months. Contrary to popular belief, I am well aware that this process normally takes about that long or even longer and I still expect that sort of timeline. However, if you can't believe in the process and what they tell you, than what can you believe?
Those are just my thoughts and nothing more.
eff-bee-eye
08-11-2005, 07:15
It seems to me that many (most?) people here are in the loop for an FO slot. Am I off base when I think that the process for the FO positions seems to be far less streamlined? My experience, thus far, appears to be consistent with earlier posts by HQ candidates.
Who knows, eh? Just my $.02.
I think you are right in that in many instances it might be a bit slower in the field offices, where they typically have fewer Admin/HR people to process the applications, etc.
Director Mueller was talking yesterday about the struggles of the mass hiring in the recent years, the extra stress/workload on all the staffing people to bring new employees on board, and the IT-related problems that are not helping streamline the process very much. This is one of his goals to make the hiring process more efficient, along with better IT support, but you just have to be patient and understand that this process is fairly long, but if you really want the job then it's worth it.
Not to be negative but if this is true...the attrition of well qualified candidates is going to be staggering when you ask people to wait nearly 2 years (I applied for the 04 vacancy that was cancelled)!!! Honestly the FBI is starting to get a black eye because of this (I read several articles back in May about this problem in the NY Times/LA Times, etc.)
I don't know if I would call it a "black-eye", but everyone should expect that the hiring process for IA's AND SA's will be roughly 1-2 years, and sometimes more if there are hiring freezes, budget issues, etc. So if you want a quick hiring process, and to be hired in 2 months, apply to McDonalds. I think they issue a security clearance too, for the "special sauce" on their Big Mac.
bad_timing
08-11-2005, 07:54
I think you are right in that in many instances it might be a bit slower in the field offices, where they typically have fewer Admin/HR people to process the applications, etc.
Director Mueller was talking yesterday about the struggles of the mass hiring in the recent years, the extra stress/workload on all the staffing people to bring new employees on board, and the IT-related problems that are not helping streamline the process very much. This is one of his goals to make the hiring process more efficient, along with better IT support, but you just have to be patient and understand that this process is fairly long, but if you really want the job then it's worth it.
I don't know if I would call it a "black-eye", but everyone should expect that the hiring process for IA's AND SA's will be roughly 1-2 years, and sometimes more if there are hiring freezes, budget issues, etc. So if you want a quick hiring process, and to be hired in 2 months, apply to McDonalds. I think they issue a security clearance too, for the "special sauce" on their Big Mac.
Eff-
You are a young fellow. So how long did it take for you to get into the bureau? Would you mind posting a general timeline? I know things are different now but inquiring minds want to know. :) I apologize if this question was already asked.
achefswife
08-11-2005, 08:16
I agree Diablo. I am waiting patiently, and now that I have a new job as being a teacher, I spend more time thinking on my students than the FBI. I realized that when the FBI decides to contact me for any additional information, they will whether it is by phone or e-mail, so I am not worried. I just want to get my year of teaching experience out the way just to say that I did it.
I was a teacher for 5 years... trust me there are other ways to get experience. It takes a special person to do that just for the heck of it.
electra1978
08-11-2005, 08:21
I'm just trying to analyze patterns and predict outcomes, though it's a difficult endeavor given the lack of apparent logic at times.
Spoken like a true IA... :D
atxtallguy
08-11-2005, 08:26
I received a call yesterday from the HR FO rep. She said she received a fax from HQ needing a couple of questions about my background clarified. I gave her the answers she needed. That is not really significant to anyone, but she did provide me some more info. I asked her if it was still the goal of the FBI to have most IA's on board next month and she confirmed that. She said usually when a new employee starts; they start with the new pay period, which is about every two weeks. She said next month will be the exception and new hires will start every Monday of next month. So it looks like the flood gates will open with IA's filling in slots. I also asked her if she knew where I was assigned (this is a huge factor for me) and HQ said pretty much what Buman has said before. They said when you are approved for take off, they will see who needs slots and go from there. If your requested locations match up, even better.
:) :) :) Got the call at 8:30 this morning :) :) :)
The lady didn't know too much, she just asked me if I was still interested and said that I had been accepted and she would forward my info on to the BI investigators. GS9 though, but oh well that is good enough. Other than that, she didn't really know much of anything. I guess it was a CO. :cool: So just hang in there, I am sure yours are coming.
Here is my timeline
July 22 Interview
August 11 CO.
electra1978
08-11-2005, 08:29
Re. analyzing patterns and predicting outcomes: in my case, I am only being considered for a slot at HQ. I interviewed at the closest FO for said HQ position and, subsequently, was scheduled for PPP at same FO less than one month after that panel interview. Two days after going to the FO for the PP (actually, urine sample was taken same day as the interview), I received CO from HR person at HQ. The next day, I received a call from staffing individual at the FO advising me that I'd passed PPP and that BI would commence immediately. As of today, the BI has been underway for about 2.5 months.
It seems to me that many (most?) people here are in the loop for an FO slot. Am I off base when I think that the process for the FO positions seems to be far less streamlined? My experience, thus far, appears to be consistent with earlier posts by HQ candidates.
Who knows, eh? Just my $.02.
When I interviewed, I was told I am being considered for a position at either an FO or HQ, but the panel hinted they wanted me to stay with them as opposed to going to HQ where there are apparently quite a few vacancies left...
atxtallguy
08-11-2005, 08:31
Opps, I forgot to add this. I also asked her if anyone from the FO that has inprocessed there received a formal offer. She said not at this time. I interviewed May 26th, so this tells me I'm at least near the front of the pack from my FO to get an offer soon. :eek:
electra1978
08-11-2005, 08:31
:) :) :) Got the call at 8:30 this morning :) :) :)
The lady didn't know too much, she just asked me if I was still interested and said that I had been accepted and she would forward my info on to the BI investigators. GS9 though, but oh well that is good enough. Other than that, she didn't really know much of anything. I guess it was a CO. :cool: So just hang in there, I am sure yours are coming.
Here is my timeline
July 22 Interview
August 11 CO.
YYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!! I'm SO Happy for you!!! Hey, didn't I say Ohio would be getting the call on Thursday???
YYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!! I'm SO Happy for you!!! Hey, didn't I say Ohio would be getting the call on Thursday???
The Judge walked in for about 12 seconds after I hung up. He had a research project for me, but my head was somewhere else the whole time he was talking.
bad_timing
08-11-2005, 08:34
I received a call yesterday from the HR FO rep. She said she received a fax from HQ needing a couple of questions about my background clarified. I gave her the answers she needed. That is not really significant to anyone, but she did provide me some more info. I asked her if it was still the goal of the FBI to have most IA's on board next month and she confirmed that. She said usually when a new employee starts; they start with the new pay period, which is about every two weeks. She said next month will be the exception and new hires will start every Monday of next month. So it looks like the flood gates will open with IA's filling in slots. I also asked her if she knew where I was assigned (this is a huge factor for me) and HQ said pretty much what Buman has said before. They said when you are approved for take off, they will see who needs slots and go from there. If your requested locations match up, even better.
Nice update. I'm glad to see that there is another FO that is concurrent with what my FO is saying about bringing people on. What FO are you processing out of? What FO did you request for duty?
bad_timing
08-11-2005, 08:37
Opps, I forgot to add this. I also asked her if anyone from the FO that has inprocessed there received a formal offer. She said not at this time. I interviewed May 26th, so this tells me I'm at least near the front of the pack from my FO to get an offer soon. :eek:
I am right behind you in the process. I interviewed on 7 June 2005.
waitingindc
08-11-2005, 08:40
Re. analyzing patterns and predicting outcomes: in my case, I am only being considered for a slot at HQ. I interviewed at the closest FO for said HQ position and, subsequently, was scheduled for PPP at same FO less than one month after that panel interview. Two days after going to the FO for the PP (actually, urine sample was taken same day as the interview), I received CO from HR person at HQ. The next day, I received a call from staffing individual at the FO advising me that I'd passed PPP and that BI would commence immediately. As of today, the BI has been underway for about 2.5 months.
It seems to me that many (most?) people here are in the loop for an FO slot. Am I off base when I think that the process for the FO positions seems to be far less streamlined? My experience, thus far, appears to be consistent with earlier posts by HQ candidates.
Who knows, eh? Just my $.02.
I am going to HQ as well. And my experience pretty much falls in line with yours, exept that I have been in BI for 4 1/2 mo.s now...
bad_timing
08-11-2005, 08:54
:) :) :) Got the call at 8:30 this morning :) :) :)
The lady didn't know too much, she just asked me if I was still interested and said that I had been accepted and she would forward my info on to the BI investigators. GS9 though, but oh well that is good enough. Other than that, she didn't really know much of anything. I guess it was a CO. :cool: So just hang in there, I am sure yours are coming.
Here is my timeline
July 22 Interview
August 11 CO.
Ohio-
Congrats and welcome to "the process."
eff-bee-eye
08-11-2005, 08:57
Eff-
You are a young fellow. So how long did it take for you to get into the bureau? Would you mind posting a general timeline? I know things are different now but inquiring minds want to know. :) I apologize if this question was already asked.
25 yo, started with Bureau at 22. Check out the success stories for a related story. :D
Congrats on the call OhioLaw!!
atxtallguy
08-11-2005, 09:06
Nice update. I'm glad to see that there is another FO that is concurrent with what my FO is saying about bringing people on. What FO are you processing out of? What FO did you request for duty?
I've been processing out of San Antonio. What was odd during my interview when they asked me the locations I'd like to work, they wanted me to target a geographical area in lieu of just a city. I did ask them to write down the cities I was interested in so those would stand out. I picked Dallas, San Antonio and Tampa.
diablo3305
08-11-2005, 09:11
I am going to HQ as well. And my experience pretty much falls in line with yours, exept that I have been in BI for 4 1/2 mo.s now...
Same here. Going on about 4.5 months. Everyday I look at my phone at work and think "todays the day they are gonna call"... then I can get out of this crummy job im in. Ohh the sweetness. My day will come...soon I hope. I stand to lose up to $6,000 in grad tuition if it doesn't come by the end of the month. Its worth it though.
I put in a call to my HR contact this morning and left a message. Just wanted to see if my status has changed at all and if they needed any info. My work voice mail is screwy sometimes and doesn't always work right, so I wanted to make sure they didn't contact me at work at some point and I missed it. Hopefully Ill hear back.
bad_timing
08-11-2005, 09:12
Opps, I forgot to add this. I also asked her if anyone from the FO that has inprocessed there received a formal offer. She said not at this time. I interviewed May 26th, so this tells me I'm at least near the front of the pack from my FO to get an offer soon. :eek:
This is definitely a question that I will ask the Detroit HR next time I call.
I've been processing out of San Antonio. What was odd during my interview when they asked me the locations I'd like to work, they wanted me to target a geographical area in lieu of just a city. I did ask them to write down the cities I was interested in so those would stand out. I picked Dallas, San Antonio and Tampa.
Mine was the same way. They asked where I wanted to go and I said Knoxville, TN. Then the guys asked about a geographic location and I said, "The Southeast, anywhere from Cincinnati, Ohio on down to Jacksonville, Florida and preferably not Atlanta." Then I said that I would do better in a smaller city as opposed to NY,LA, Chicago and D.C. They said they would not like to live in any of those places either, so that was cool.
My whole deal is that my fiancee will be graduating med school in May, but has to pick where she wants to go to residency by February or so. It would be nice to be in place by then.
JulieAnn1270
08-11-2005, 09:49
Hello ~ It's funny (not necessarily humorous) to visit this thread after several weeks and see so many familiar names... Congratulations to those who are still moving forward in the process, and good luck to the newbies who are just starting! As I haven't posted in a while, my timeline has been as follows:
Aug 2004 - Applied for IA position
Jan 2005 - Interviewed (Quantico, VA)
Mar 2005 - CO
Apr 2005 - Re-applied under new announcement due to cancellation of Aug
2004 posting (upon request of interviewers)
Apr 2005 - Poly, etc.
Jul 2005 - BI supposedly complete (fast tracked)
As of Aug 2005 (today) I was told that my package was submitted for final hiring approval July 29th. I'm not exactly sure what that means in terms of remaining time, but at least it's sounds good! If anybody knows what sort of timeline I should expect, please inform me! Thanks...
Julie :)
diablo3305
08-11-2005, 09:57
Hello ~ It's funny (not necessarily humorous) to visit this thread after several weeks and see so many familiar names... Congratulations to those who are still moving forward in the process, and good luck to the newbies who are just starting! As I haven't posted in a while, my timeline has been as follows:
Aug 2004 - Applied for IA position
Jan 2005 - Interviewed (Quantico, VA)
Mar 2005 - CO
Apr 2005 - Re-applied under new announcement due to cancellation of Aug
2004 posting (upon request of interviewers)
Apr 2005 - Poly, etc.
Jul 2005 - BI supposedly complete (fast tracked)
As of Aug 2005 (today) I was told that my package was submitted for final hiring approval July 29th. I'm not exactly sure what that means in terms of remaining time, but at least it's sounds good! If anybody knows what sort of timeline I should expect, please inform me! Thanks...
Julie :)
My timeline is roughly the same as yours, except I haven't heard that my BI was done yet. I had my poly and PSI in the beginning of May. Thats great though, hopefully things move along for you soon. In terms of what to expect, it seems that your just awaiting approval and for someone in the Intelligence Directorate to pick you up and give you a start date.
electra1978
08-11-2005, 10:01
Hello ~ It's funny (not necessarily humorous) to visit this thread after several weeks and see so many familiar names... Congratulations to those who are still moving forward in the process, and good luck to the newbies who are just starting! As I haven't posted in a while, my timeline has been as follows:
Aug 2004 - Applied for IA position
Jan 2005 - Interviewed (Quantico, VA)
Mar 2005 - CO
Apr 2005 - Re-applied under new announcement due to cancellation of Aug
2004 posting (upon request of interviewers)
Apr 2005 - Poly, etc.
Jul 2005 - BI supposedly complete (fast tracked)
As of Aug 2005 (today) I was told that my package was submitted for final hiring approval July 29th. I'm not exactly sure what that means in terms of remaining time, but at least it's sounds good! If anybody knows what sort of timeline I should expect, please inform me! Thanks...
Julie :)
That's great news! Congrats! It must feel great to be at the end of the process. Let us know when you get your FO!
electra1978
08-11-2005, 10:46
Hey guys! I just got a call from my contact at my FO. She said that the panel recommended me to move on in the process and that I will be getting a call from the FBI Applicant Center (?) at HQ soon... Yay :D
:) :) :) Got the call at 8:30 this morning :) :) :)
The lady didn't know too much, she just asked me if I was still interested and said that I had been accepted and she would forward my info on to the BI investigators. GS9 though, but oh well that is good enough. Other than that, she didn't really know much of anything. I guess it was a CO. :cool: So just hang in there, I am sure yours are coming.
Here is my timeline
July 22 Interview
August 11 CO.
OhioLaw:
Congrats to you! I am still stuck in the "referred to selecting official" No calls yet, but I am hanging in there.
OrangeAlum2003
08-11-2005, 11:09
Hey guys! I just got a call from my contact at my FO. She said that the panel recommended me to move on in the process and that I will be getting a call from the FBI Applicant Center (?) at HQ soon... Yay :D
Translation = you'll be getting a CO very soon. What did I say? I knew that both you and OhioLaw would be getting called. Now Darkstar's just waiting right? Congratulations!!
electra1978
08-11-2005, 11:24
Translation = you'll be getting a CO very soon. What did I say? I knew that both you and OhioLaw would be getting called. Now Darkstar's just waiting right? Congratulations!!
Thanks!! I'm on cloud nine now even though I know there is still a long road ahead. :hustle:
I KNOW Darkstar will get a call very, very soon. It looks like the Aug. 17th date is right on schedule...
systemsguy05
08-11-2005, 11:43
Thanks!! I'm on cloud nine now even though I know there is still a long road ahead. :hustle:
I KNOW Darkstar will get a call very, very soon. It looks like the Aug. 17th date is right on schedule...
Congrats!!
I know we interviewed at the same FO, hopefully there's a phone call in my immediate future as well!!
Hey guys! I just got a call from my contact at my FO. She said that the panel recommended me to move on in the process and that I will be getting a call from the FBI Applicant Center (?) at HQ soon... Yay :D
:cool:That is great news! I had a feeling we would be getting the calls, but I was seriously a little worrried. Now we get to wait some more, but it will be a happier wait! :cool:
Congrats OhioLaw. I forgot, have you had the 3Ps yet?
I'm still waiting for the CO. I interviewed on Jun 7 and turned in my paperwork for BI.
Did get a call today asking for all my addresses between 1979 and Oct 1997. Umm....that was on the SF86. Twenty years of addresses lost? They also wanted to know had I been in school between 1979 and Sep 2001 and between Jan 2003 and Jun 2003. Ummm...yeah, what happened to the two degrees I detailed on the forms? And where was I employed between 1979 and Nov 1999? Ummm...I distinctly remember filling out all that stuff. I scanned my SF86 before turning it in and that info is on the forms. So what gives here? Have they lost paperwork?
OrangeAlum2003
08-11-2005, 13:58
:cool:That is great news! I had a feeling we would be getting the calls, but I was seriously a little worrried. Now we get to wait some more, but it will be a happier wait! :cool:
What's up with the machine guns? Feeling a bit aggressive are we? :p
diablo3305
08-11-2005, 14:21
What's up with the machine guns? Feeling a bit aggressive are we? :p
maybe he thinks hes applying to a different job...one where guns are involved. :p
maybe he thinks hes applying to a different job...one where guns are involved. :p
Nah, I applied to that one too. Now that I got my CO though, I think I will call and cancel the phase 1 test.
OrangeAlum2003
08-11-2005, 14:33
Congrats OhioLaw. I forgot, have you had the 3Ps yet?
I'm still waiting for the CO. I interviewed on Jun 7 and turned in my paperwork for BI.
Did get a call today asking for all my addresses between 1979 and Oct 1997. Umm....that was on the SF86. Twenty years of addresses lost? They also wanted to know had I been in school between 1979 and Sep 2001 and between Jan 2003 and Jun 2003. Ummm...yeah, what happened to the two degrees I detailed on the forms? And where was I employed between 1979 and Nov 1999? Ummm...I distinctly remember filling out all that stuff. I scanned my SF86 before turning it in and that info is on the forms. So what gives here? Have they lost paperwork?
Forms, didn't you interview last year and receive a CO? How long have you been trying to get in as an IA?
diablo3305
08-11-2005, 14:34
Nah, I applied to that one too. Now that I got my CO though, I think I will call and cancel the phase 1 test.
id stick with it, the process for an SA is loooooooooooooooooooooooooooong. You never know, gives you another option.
atxtallguy
08-11-2005, 14:45
Nah, I applied to that one too. Now that I got my CO though, I think I will call and cancel the phase 1 test.
If you could take the phase I test, you should try it. But I guess it really all comes down to what you want do. I took the test earlier this year, but didn't make the cut. It was a strange and unique test. I plan to take it again next year. :rambo: :ufo:
I received a call yesterday from the HR FO rep. She said she received a fax from HQ needing a couple of questions about my background clarified. I gave her the answers she needed. That is not really significant to anyone, but she did provide me some more info. I asked her if it was still the goal of the FBI to have most IA's on board next month and she confirmed that. She said usually when a new employee starts; they start with the new pay period, which is about every two weeks. She said next month will be the exception and new hires will start every Monday of next month. So it looks like the flood gates will open with IA's filling in slots. I also asked her if she knew where I was assigned (this is a huge factor for me) and HQ said pretty much what Buman has said before. They said when you are approved for take off, they will see who needs slots and go from there. If your requested locations match up, even better.
Thanks! The business about IAs getting on board by next month has been mentioned by at least one other person, someone who also got it straight from the source. Ought we then to expect that those of us who are already in the pipeline (4 mos.) and waiting for the call can anticipate something very soon? I suspect there is no way to relate this to anyone on the HQ side, but for what it's worth my EOD can be ASAP--moving fairly quickly is not a problem at all.
Also, does it matter as far as adjudication whether one is an applicant for either an HQ or FO position? (I'm the former.) In other words, is it the case that HQ applicants are cleared before FO, or vice versa? Or is it simply whoever gets to one's case first? Is there any order to HQ or FO final offers?
Thanks again!
darkstar
08-11-2005, 15:27
Hey guys! I just got a call from my contact at my FO. She said that the panel recommended me to move on in the process and that I will be getting a call from the FBI Applicant Center (?) at HQ soon... Yay :D
congrats!!! see, nothing to worry about... :)
If you could take the phase I test, you should try it. But I guess it really all comes down to what you want do. I took the test earlier this year, but didn't make the cut. It was a strange and unique test. I plan to take it again next year. :rambo: :ufo:
I would probably take it, but I am new to my current job and still on probation. I can't afford to miss any more days there bc I took half a day to interview for the IA job, then I will prob. need a full day for the 3ps.
atxtallguy
08-11-2005, 15:54
Thanks! The business about IAs getting on board by next month has been mentioned by at least one other person, someone who also got it straight from the source. Ought we then to expect that those of us who are already in the pipeline (4 mos.) and waiting for the call can anticipate something very soon? I suspect there is no way to relate this to anyone on the HQ side, but for what it's worth my EOD can be ASAP--moving fairly quickly is not a problem at all.
Also, does it matter as far as adjudication whether one is an applicant for either an HQ or FO position? (I'm the former.) In other words, is it the case that HQ applicants are cleared before FO, or vice versa? Or is it simply whoever gets to one's case first? Is there any order to HQ or FO final offers?
Thanks again!
This brings up a good point. I'm curious who on this board applied (this year only) for just the HQ position or the FO position or both. For example, I applied to both, but my hiring activity has only been on the FO posting. I'm also wondering of Orangealum2003 (I think) received their CO to go to HQ, because that was the only job posting he applied for???
Forms, didn't you interview last year and receive a CO? How long have you been trying to get in as an IA?
Yep, I interviewed Nov 10th. In December they cancelled all the announcements. In Mar re-applied, Jun interviewed, now like lots of you waiting. I hope the Aug 17th date means something.
First applied Feb 2004. :p
...I am new to my current job and still on probation. I can't afford to miss any more days there bc I took half a day to interview for the IA job, then I will prob. need a full day for the 3ps.
Geez, just thought of a scenario: a person takes time off for the IA interview process and gets fired for it. Then the Bu dropped him/her because s/he was fired for not showing up reliably at work. Am I getting paranoid or what? :o
OrangeAlum2003
08-11-2005, 18:51
This brings up a good point. I'm curious who on this board applied (this year only) for just the HQ position or the FO position or both. For example, I applied to both, but my hiring activity has only been on the FO posting. I'm also wondering of Orangealum2003 (I think) received their CO to go to HQ, because that was the only job posting he applied for???
I actually applied to the FO vacancy (0022 I think). When I got the call from HQ with the CO, she mentioned that the position was in DC. That said I guess it's possible that I could still end up in an FO given the uncertainty, but I was told specifically that my offer was for DC (HQ not the Wash FO). So you can still end up at HQ even if you apply to an FO announcement.
I also got a call today from a local contact asking to set up an appointment to review the SF-86. I'm assuming this is what is referred to as the PSI, but he never called it that by name. He said he needs about an hour and a half of my time to review the forms and do my fingerprints. He also wants to see my driver's license and all passports (even my Cuban one) :D I was instructed by my contact at my FO to call the nurse whose number she gave me when I was contacted regarding the PSI, presumably to schedule the drug test. I guess I should call her, even though I'm not completely sure if I just scheduled the PSI or some other intermediary step.
Jedburgh II
08-11-2005, 19:28
Seems like everyone who's been interviewed is at least starting to move along in the process! Positive signs all around. I'll be very interested in seeing the timelines of the first few on this board who finally make it to the end and actually begin working....
darkstar
08-11-2005, 19:38
Translation = you'll be getting a CO very soon. What did I say? I knew that both you and OhioLaw would be getting called. Now Darkstar's just waiting right? Congratulations!!
yes, still waiting... starting to feel like the last kid picked for kickball... :) it was two weeks ago today that i interviewed so i'm not really all that concerned... that being said, if i don't hear anything by early next week i might give my FO a call and see if they've heard anything from HQ, if for no other reason than to find out if the other applicants who interviewed at the same time i did have been given CO's yet... if they did and i didn't at least that will give me some solid info to work w/...
larryd7593
08-11-2005, 19:58
I don't know if I would call it a "black-eye", but everyone should expect that the hiring process for IA's AND SA's will be roughly 1-2 years, and sometimes more if there are hiring freezes, budget issues, etc. So if you want a quick hiring process, and to be hired in 2 months, apply to McDonalds. I think they issue a security clearance too, for the "special sauce" on their Big Mac.
I apologize for venting about waiting so long, but I was simply pointing out the perception is that they are not doing a good job at the process. I know the realities of long hiring processes, especially considering the FBI has not been as agressive in hiring IA's in the past. I realize the difficulties of security clearances too, however the DOD world and other federal agencies seem to hire personnel in a timely manner and they require the same level of clearance, which some of us already posess. DOD uses "interim" clearances based on preliminary info from their SF-86 information until they are adjudicated, if they did not the entire DOD and Homeland Security would come to a grinding halt waiting for thousands or TS clearances. thanks for the vote of confidence about being hired at McDonalds.... :)
Jedburgh II
08-11-2005, 20:11
DOD uses "interim" clearances based on preliminary info from their SF-86 information until they are adjudicated, if they did not the entire DOD and Homeland Security would come to a grinding halt waiting for thousands of TS clearances.
It ain't always that simple. I've seen plenty of young intelligence trainees in the military come to a "grinding halt" in their initial entry process because of awaiting final determination on their TS/SCI. At DLI, the trainees attend the various language courses for up to two years - which doesn't require a clearance - and some still don't have their investigations completed upon graduation. Its a minority, but it happens. And out of that group, some get "interim" clearances and move on to the sensitive training and assignment, and some do not. Those that do not have sometimes been stuck for another couple of months twiddling their thumbs until they've gotten an interim approved or their clearance adjudicated.
The vast majority of those who get their clearances denied have it happen long before that stage.
I apologize for venting about waiting so long, but I was simply pointing out the perception is that they are not doing a good job at the process. I know the realities of long hiring processes, especially considering the FBI has not been as agressive in hiring IA's in the past. I realize the difficulties of security clearances too, however the DOD world and other federal agencies seem to hire personnel in a timely manner and they require the same level of clearance, which some of us already posess. DOD uses "interim" clearances based on preliminary info from their SF-86 information until they are adjudicated, if they did not the entire DOD and Homeland Security would come to a grinding halt waiting for thousands or TS clearances. thanks for the vote of confidence about being hired at McDonalds.... :)
Jedburgh's caveats notwithstanding, the simple fact remains that the machinery in place to process FBI BIs in a timely manner is woefully inadequate. The GAO report -- cited by Jedburgh (correct me if I'm wrong) and many others who consistently defend the process -- noted this as a significant obstacle to bringing on board the desired number of qualified analysts. While my wait, thus far, is arguably reasonable at 10 weeks, that of others, who have been holding their breath for 4+ months, borders on ridiculous. Yes, I'm prepared to wait as long as it takes; nonetheless, the system needs some serious work.
Jedburgh II
08-11-2005, 22:55
While my wait, thus far, is arguably reasonable at 10 weeks, that of others, who have been holding their breath for 4+ months, borders on ridiculous. Yes, I'm prepared to wait as long as it takes; nonetheless, the system needs some serious work.
With the IA hires being a priority and an "expedited" BI process, I'd look at anywhere from 90 days to one year for the BI, dependent upon the age and background of the individual.
The insulting sarcasm directed at frustrated people who don't understand the process, and telling'em to be prepared to wait 2 years or go work at McDonalds was uncalled for.
You guys I feel left out. I didn't know that this thread was started. I was stuck in the one that BuMan started. I was wondering why there was not much posted on that thread.
At any rate, for the IA single ads...... I am a 24 single female.
By the way......
Electra and OhioLaw,
Congratulations.
I think that we have become so close in this forum that we are just happy when one or the other makes it. Even if some of us don't or die trying.
ricki223
08-12-2005, 00:51
You guys I feel left out. I didn't know that this thread was started. I was stuck in the one that BuMan started. I was wondering why there was not much posted on that thread.
At any rate, for the IA single ads...... I am a 24 single female.
27 year old soon to be engaged male here. hotty totty.
Colonials322
08-12-2005, 01:48
With the IA hires being a priority and an "expedited" BI process, I'd look at anywhere from 90 days to one year for the BI, dependent upon the age and background of the individual.
So is it safe to say that a 22 year old right out of college with no arrest record or any "blemishes" would have a quicker background investigation process?
I know it is all hypothetical, but I cannot see why my process would take close to a year, considering I do not have much of a background to investigate. Then again, it is the Fed, and anything is possible I guess.
diablo3305
08-12-2005, 06:07
So is it safe to say that a 22 year old right out of college with no arrest record or any "blemishes" would have a quicker background investigation process?
I know it is all hypothetical, but I cannot see why my process would take close to a year, considering I do not have much of a background to investigate. Then again, it is the Fed, and anything is possible I guess.
its probably going to take longer than you think. I thought mine would be real fast, but im at about 4.5 months. There are many factors that delay things, not just your background. I think the FBI staff is just overwhelmed with candidates right now which is slowing the whole process down.
anwalt - I think you need to understand that this is all new to the FBI. They are trying to get people in as fast as possible from a huge candidate pool. The process is changing to make things better, but that all takes time. From my experience applying to other FLE agencies, this is not a long amount of time to wait.
You haven't had to wait very long yet, so don't worry. Ive been in this process for about a year, and a year with another FLE agency as well. It takes some time. In the end, if you want it, you will be there. For those that don't, they will move on and maybe we will get there spot.
bad_timing
08-12-2005, 07:15
So is it safe to say that a 22 year old right out of college with no arrest record or any "blemishes" would have a quicker background investigation process?
I know it is all hypothetical, but I cannot see why my process would take close to a year, considering I do not have much of a background to investigate. Then again, it is the Fed, and anything is possible I guess.
Colonials-
My background sounds similar to yours. Very uninteresting. I am also hopeful, that because I live a very dull and borring life it doesn't take that long. As far as I know my BI is complete but I guess you never know until you get the final offer. I just need to take that darn drug test ;) I have done everything but that.
With the IA hires being a priority and an "expedited" BI process, I'd look at anywhere from 90 days to one year for the BI, dependent upon the age and background of the individual.
The insulting sarcasm directed at frustrated people who don't understand the process, and telling'em to be prepared to wait 2 years or go work at McDonalds was uncalled for.
Is it the case, then, that there will be a final push in granting clearances and getting a lot of IAs on board by next month (i.e., before the end of FY 2005)? Specifically those who are already in the pipeline, i.e., through the interview, 3 Ps, field investigation, etc., and are simply awaiting the final review to conclude? Like others, I am at 4 mos. right now and continuing to wait.
It ain't always that simple. I've seen plenty of young intelligence trainees in the military come to a "grinding halt" in their initial entry process because of awaiting final determination on their TS/SCI. At DLI, the trainees attend the various language courses for up to two years - which doesn't require a clearance - and some still don't have their investigations completed upon graduation. Its a minority, but it happens. And out of that group, some get "interim" clearances and move on to the sensitive training and assignment, and some do not. Those that do not have sometimes been stuck for another couple of months twiddling their thumbs until they've gotten an interim approved or their clearance adjudicated.
The vast majority of those who get their clearances denied have it happen long before that stage.
Here's something I have been wondering ever since I got my CO. If one's clearance is denied, does this tend to happen at the very end of the process (i.e., adjudication) or does it happen if something significant is found during the initial checks and field investigation? On the one hand, I cannot imagine the FBI spending a small fortune on someone only to DQ them at the very end, as if they did not know something was amiss beforehand. On the other hand, I'm still trying to understand the process myself and am continuing to learn.
My AC has told me a number of times, "If you're not worried, we're not worried." After all, the PSI and poly are where one ought to spill one's guts; one can even do a lot with the SF-86. I have found innumerable steps along the way to be proactive, cooperative, demonstrate candor, etc., even if it's something as simple as returning an investigator's phone call or supplying names of neighbors. Everyone knows his or her past. It seems to me that if one is honest and upfront, not deceptive, etc., one is already well on one's way. I was told by the SA who did my PSI that it's often the case that people wash out not so much by something in their past, but rather deception, i.e., failing to disclose something in their past. She said one can get cleared with something relatively major in one's past, so long as one has been upfront, honest, has resolved the issue, etc. She also said one can wash out with something relatively minor in one's past, not by virtue of what it is, but by hiding it. (This is the FBI, after all--they're pretty good at finding things out...)
So, I feel as if my EOD is a fait accompli: I'm in the pipeline and just waiting, and apart from things which are very unlikely to occur (e.g., the FBI changing its mind on hiring IAs), I am confident and every day wonder if today's the day. As I said, though, I'm new at this. Am I missing anything?
Thanks!
electra1978
08-12-2005, 09:19
I actually applied to the FO vacancy (0022 I think). When I got the call from HQ with the CO, she mentioned that the position was in DC. That said I guess it's possible that I could still end up in an FO given the uncertainty, but I was told specifically that my offer was for DC (HQ not the Wash FO). So you can still end up at HQ even if you apply to an FO announcement.
I also got a call today from a local contact asking to set up an appointment to review the SF-86. I'm assuming this is what is referred to as the PSI, but he never called it that by name. He said he needs about an hour and a half of my time to review the forms and do my fingerprints. He also wants to see my driver's license and all passports (even my Cuban one) :D I was instructed by my contact at my FO to call the nurse whose number she gave me when I was contacted regarding the PSI, presumably to schedule the drug test. I guess I should call her, even though I'm not completely sure if I just scheduled the PSI or some other intermediary step.
Hey! Yay for another call! The more the merrier...
Do you seriously have a Cuban passport?? If so, any chance you could hook me up with a box of Montecristo cigars?? :D
electra1978
08-12-2005, 09:23
By the way......
Electra and OhioLaw,
Congratulations.
I think that we have become so close in this forum that we are just happy when one or the other makes it. Even if some of us don't or die trying.
Thanks Kristin! I also feel thrilled when I read that anyone has moved on in the process. I hope that one day we will all get to meet in real life at the Bureau. How fun would that be??
bad_timing
08-12-2005, 09:26
Hey! Yay for another call!
I can't wait until the day that we stop celebrating phone calls and start celebrating final offers. However, phone calls will suffice for now. :)
electra1978
08-12-2005, 09:27
I can't wait until the day that we stop celebrating phone calls and start celebrating final offers. However, phone calls will suffice for now. :)
Yeah, until then we have to take what we can get...
bad_timing
08-12-2005, 09:30
If we all make it to the Q, I would have no problem standing up in class and announcing who I am on the job forum. Of course, I would wait until the instructor(s) have stopped teaching...I would hate to interrupt! :D
OrangeAlum2003
08-12-2005, 11:16
Hey! Yay for another call! The more the merrier...
Do you seriously have a Cuban passport?? If so, any chance you could hook me up with a box of Montecristo cigars?? :D
No, just one, soon to be expired, American passport. My passport picture is absolutley hilarious, however. I always get a second look when they see me and then look at my "yearbook" photo in the passport.
I might be able to help you with the cigars on the other hand (all Dominicans of course) :p maybe a nice Cohiba after I get my final offer.
OrangeAlum2003
08-12-2005, 11:17
If we all make it to the Q, I would have no problem standing up in class and announcing who I am on the job forum. Of course, I would wait until the instructor(s) have stopped teaching...I would hate to interrupt! :D
Well you look just like Peter Falk, so I'm sure we'll recognize you. :D
waitingindc
08-12-2005, 11:53
There is a new posting on fbijobs.com for gs 13/14 intelligence analysts that will serve at instructors for the ACES program at fbi academy...
bad_timing
08-12-2005, 11:58
Well you look just like Peter Falk, so I'm sure we'll recognize you. :D
I chose that avatar because as I am going through this process I'm often left scratching my head... :o
TD,
i just got off the phone with my contact at my FO, asking her pretty much the same things that your most recent post addressed. She said that if something would have come up that was unfavorable during your BI, the FO is notified immediately, and the BI is halted, or something of that nature.
If your packet is passed along to HQ, you (and I) can be cautiously optimistic that the BI went well, and the HQ people need to do their things...etc, etc.
I am just keeping it optimistic, and waiting, and waiting, and waiting...
good luck, all
dublin
electra1978
08-12-2005, 12:48
No, just one, soon to be expired, American passport. My passport picture is absolutley hilarious, however. I always get a second look when they see me and then look at my "yearbook" photo in the passport.
I might be able to help you with the cigars on the other hand (all Dominicans of course) :p maybe a nice Cohiba after I get my final offer.
You're on! You bring the Cohibas and I'll bring my bottle of Johnny Walker Blue label scotch... I'm sure we will be toasting you very soon...
OrangeAlum2003
08-12-2005, 13:02
I chose that avatar because as I am going through this process I'm often left scratching my head... :o
Aren't we all? ;)
bad_timing
08-12-2005, 13:15
Aren't we all? ;)
Very true. I just didn't want to speak for everyone. :)
In reference to an earlier discussion about the hiring process and how applicants feel that it is inadequate or inefficient...........
I feel that the HR staff is probably working their rear-ends off but where I think most of the frustration comes from is the lack of communication.
When there is a breakdown in communication between HQ in DC and an applicant in let's say CA then the applicant is left to assume what he/she will about what is going on in the staffing unit of the FBI.
If I was to place a bet on the situation, I would say that the FBI's Public Affairs Office is greatly understaffed.
bad_timing
08-12-2005, 13:43
In reference to an earlier discussion about the hiring process and how applicants feel that it is inadequate or inefficient...........
I feel that the HR staff is probably working their rear-ends off but where I think most of the frustration comes from is the lack of communication.
When there is a breakdown in communication between HQ in DC and an applicant in let's say CA then the applicant is left to assume what he/she will about what is going on in the staffing unit of the FBI.
If I was to place a bet on the situation, I would say that the FBI's Public Affairs Office is greatly understaffed.
Understaffed and overworked. I am quite sure that they want us on board as much as we want to be on board ;)
OrangeAlum2003
08-12-2005, 14:07
Like many of you, I'm sure, I am extremely excited about the prospect of becoming an intelligence analyst for the FBI. That said I am wrestling with a number of issues, some personal and some professional. I believe that I have done the research and learned as much as I can possibly learn about the position, without actually immersing myself in the work. I still can't help but wonder at times, however, that I may have set myself up for disappointment by elevating the status of the IA position in my mind beyond what it can actually deliver in reality. I believe that I will love the work, and I know that the job is deadly important, but I guess I'm just looking for confirmation that the sacrifices it will entail will be worth it.
In summation, how has everyone on this board developed their idea of what the IA position is? Have any of you had detailed conversations or perhaps even an informational interview with an IA to discuss the nature of the work? I'm thinking about calling up my FO to see if there's any chance I could have lunch with one of the IA's just to learn more about the job. I know this is common practice in private industry but I don't know if this is acceptable behavior in the government sector. As you can probably tell, I'm a very methodical person and want to absorb as much information as possible so that I can make the best possible decision. I would be giving up a lot and asking my family to make some big sacrifices for the position, so I want to be as fair as possible.
bad_timing
08-12-2005, 14:34
Like many of you, I'm sure, I am extremely excited about the prospect of becoming an intelligence analyst for the FBI. That said I am wrestling with a number of issues, some personal and some professional. I believe that I have done the research and learned as much as I can possibly learn about the position, without actually immersing myself in the work. I still can't help but wonder at times, however, that I may have set myself up for disappointment by elevating the status of the IA position in my mind beyond what it can actually deliver in reality. I believe that I will love the work, and I know that the job is deadly important, but I guess I'm just looking for confirmation that the sacrifices it will entail will be worth it.
In summation, how has everyone on this board developed their idea of what the IA position is? Have any of you had detailed conversations or perhaps even an informational interview with an IA to discuss the nature of the work? I'm thinking about calling up my FO to see if there's any chance I could have lunch with one of the IA's just to learn more about the job. I know this is common practice in private industry but I don't know if this is acceptable behavior in the government sector. As you can probably tell, I'm a very methodical person and want to absorb as much information as possible so that I can make the best possible decision. I would be giving up a lot and asking my family to make some big sacrifices for the position, so I want to be as fair as possible.
This is definitely a dream job for me. I am currently studying intelligence at American Military University and I can't get enough of it. You don't realize how important intelligence is until you conduct your own investigations and research. Heck, I was a history major so researching and gathering/collecting information is what I do by nature. :) You know, step three in the FBI's Intelligence Cycle. I am prepared to do whatever and go wherever the Bureau needs so I can do my part in keeping this country safe.
Orange, I agree, I was considering the possibility of asking one of the I/A's at my FO if I could talk to them about being an analyst for the FBI (or at least as much as they could tell me about it). I just wanted to wait until I was closer to the FO. You know, I don't want to jinx myself more than I probably already have.
electra1978
08-12-2005, 15:22
This is definitely a dream job for me. I am currently studying intelligence at American Military University and I can't get enough of it. You don't realize how important intelligence is until you conduct your own investigations and research. Heck, I was a history major so researching and gathering/collecting information is what I do by nature. :) You know, step three in the FBI's Intelligence Cycle. I am prepared to do whatever and go wherever the Bureau needs so I can do my part in keeping this country safe.
Orange, I agree, I was considering the possibility of asking one of the I/A's at my FO if I could talk to them about being an analyst for the FBI (or at least as much as they could tell me about it). I just wanted to wait until I was closer to the FO. You know, I don't want to jinx myself more than I probably already have.
I also thought of asking for a meeting with an IA to discuss the position more thoroughly, but like bad_timing said, I think it makes more sense to wait until the situation is more concrete and the FO is more forthcoming.
As a journalist, I spent many years conducting indepth research and analysis on a variety of hard & soft news topics including international security and terrorism. I found I had a knack for delving into the mindset of terrorist groups and deconstructing their methodologies and perceived realities. More importantly, I was able to collect and analyze information without emotion, and discover what makes them so appealing to an average person.
When I came across the posting for the IA position, I literally felt I had found my dream job and the best fit for my interest and skills. Having gone through the process so far, I feel that even more without a shadow of a doubt.
Like everyone else, my sense of patriotism heightened after 9/11. I remember watching the towers fall/Pentagon burn and thinking "How did they not know?" Having lived abroad for so long, and being in contact with members of the intelligence community abroad, all the signs were there, and it killed me that few people in the upper ranks of the IC paid any attention to the warnings. I decided then and there I was going to do something, anything I could to avoid to being caught so off guard in the future. I'm glad to see necessary changes are being made, and clearly from the caliber of people on this thread, at least the FBI is on the right track, but I still feel there is a disconnect between the Intelligence Community and our policymakers.
OK, sorry this turned into a tirade... :)
after i received a start date, i thought i had left the nail-biting forest for good. but i'm back now. from reading the posts in the FBI IA thread and its many sequals, at least i know i'm in good company. ;)
i got a call a couple of days ago - an agent seeking some contact info to clear up something on my BI. i called staffing (aHA - finally got a point of contact when i received a "final" offer) and expressed my confusion. (why are you still doing my BI?)
the lady was really nice and explained that they just had a couple more things to check out and then they'd be sending me my letter. but they can't send the letter until they check on those things. she said it's rare for someone not to go forward from this point but AHHHHHHHH i thought the uncertainty was over. ;)
none the less, i hung up feeling fairly confident since she also said that i would have had to have done something "really bad" to not get the letter. BUT THEN, tonight, another agent called to ask for proof of naturalization for a previous roommate. i explained that no such proof exists 'cause the roommate isn't a U.S. citizen or permanent resident. we cleared it all up and i was all happy 'cause i thought "cool - one down."
but now, of course, since i've developed the prevalent but underdiagnosed IA Applicant Neurosis (IAAN), i'm wondering if i only made it through adjudication because they thought the roommate WAS a citizen or permanent resident.
since the "roommate" is my partner, if there's an issue with her being a foreign national, it's one that won't go away. that would suck. i laid it all out there on the FD-140, so it shouldn't be a surprise, but...
who knows. guess i'm back in the waiting game. i'm glad to hear that so many others are moving along in the process. it's nice to see bursts of relief break through the tension of the IA threads every once in a while. :)
Dear eef-bee-eye,
On this forum there has been some discussion concerning the BI. People have made the claim that if you are upfront and honest about your past then the FBI will turn a blind's eye. To what extent does this theory hold true? This concerns me in a sense that if for example......
Someone was charged with assault or multiple criminal charges but maybe not jail time. Then are you telling me that as long as that person is upfront and honest then the FBI will still welcome that person with wide open arms.
The reason this concerns me is because this undermines the credibility of the FBI as well as its mission. It is my hope that the FBI is more picky then that.
I am not unrealistic. I understand that people make mistakes. Lord only knows I have made millions. However, does the FBI not view some criminal charges as a liability even if the person is honest about it?
Dear eef-bee-eye,
On this forum there has been some discussion concerning the BI. People have made the claim that if you are upfront and honest about your past then the FBI will turn a blind's eye. To what extent does this theory hold true? This concerns me in a sense that if for example......
Someone was charged with assault or multiple criminal charges but maybe not jail time. Then are you telling me that as long as that person is upfront and honest then the FBI will still welcome that person with wide open arms.
The reason this concerns me is because this undermines the credibility of the FBI as well as its mission. It is my hope that the FBI is more picky then that.
I am not unrealistic. I understand that people make mistakes. Lord only knows I have made millions. However, does the FBI not view some criminal charges as a liability even if the person is honest about it?
Dear Kristin,
I'll let Eff-bee-eye handle this, but I think I should say something since I believe it is my previous post to which you refer. Certainly there are automatic disqualifiers, e.g., the drug questions on Quickhire, felonies, etc. My point was that being upfont and demonstrating candor goes a long way. If you flat out lie, well, that's a problem. If you try to hide something, it will come out in the BI if not the poly. Even if what you hid wasn't a big deal per se, your hiding it becomes a character issue--"You hid this, would you try to hide something else, too?" I apologize for being unclear.
OrangeAlum2003
08-12-2005, 19:02
Dear eef-bee-eye,
On this forum there has been some discussion concerning the BI. People have made the claim that if you are upfront and honest about your past then the FBI will turn a blind's eye. To what extent does this theory hold true? This concerns me in a sense that if for example......
Someone was charged with assault or multiple criminal charges but maybe not jail time. Then are you telling me that as long as that person is upfront and honest then the FBI will still welcome that person with wide open arms.
The reason this concerns me is because this undermines the credibility of the FBI as well as its mission. It is my hope that the FBI is more picky then that.
I am not unrealistic. I understand that people make mistakes. Lord only knows I have made millions. However, does the FBI not view some criminal charges as a liability even if the person is honest about it?
I wouldn't worry about the FBI not disqualifying people. I know of several people personally that were disqualified for what I would consider "minor" violations. If anything, I think the FBI should "loosen" its requirements just a touch so that it can actually meet its hiring goals. That's just my opinion, and I'm certainly not suggesting to remove perfectly reasonable and necessary standards. I just think there are too many examples of well qualified trustworthy individuals that get disqualified. I think across many government agencies, especially the intelligence community, the philosophy has always been, "better to disqualify a legitimate candidate than to accidentally allow in a national security risk." I don't necessarily disagree with this ideology, but it sucks for those who get weeded out unjustly.
Generally, something that was a felony in nature, even if not prosecuted, is going to cause Security Division to take a long, hard look at a candidate. Absent extenuating circumstances, the candidate is going to have a very tough road to travel to get in the FBI. There are enough great candidates out there that there is no real reason to take a risk on someone who could be a loose cannon.
There is a bigger picture that may be missed here. An IA will, due to the nature of their work, get involved in the day-to-day operations of the FBI. While the focus may be on counterterrorism, a big part of that is identifying and disrupting operations prior to their being able to be accomplished. IAs may be heavily involved in the process and may get called to testify in court regarding some of their conclusions. If an IA has a blemish in their past, it can and probably will come out in court, thus potentially undermining an IA's credibility and sinking a case. That is why lack of candor is such a big deal. If someone involved in court proceedings is shown to have lied, they are investigated and, if appropriate, terminated. In some cases, they are prosecuted for lying under oath. This happened recently to a laboratory technician who misrepresented completing various protocols and the issue came out. The biologist was terminated, prosecuted and sent to jail. Every case the biologist has worked on in the past has been reviewed, at considerable expense. The final consequences of a lack of due diligence on the part of the biologist and the misrepresentations made in laboratory notes may not be known for some time. It has provided dozens of defendants a grounds for appeal of their case.
This example shows why the FBI conducts its own background investigaitons - if someone has a habit of phoning it in, not putting out full effort, or making misrepresentations, that person probably will not be suitable for the FBI. The stakes are huge.
I wouldn't worry about the FBI not disqualifying people. I know of several people personally that were disqualified for what I would consider "minor" violations. If anything, I think the FBI should "loosen" its requirements just a touch so that it can actually meet its hiring goals. That's just my opinion, and I'm certainly not suggesting to remove perfectly reasonable and necessary standards. I just think there are too many examples of well qualified trustworthy individuals that get disqualified. I think across many government agencies, especially the intelligence community, the philosophy has always been, "better to disqualify a legitimate candidate than to accidentally allow in a national security risk." I don't necessarily disagree with this ideology, but it sucks for those who get weeded out unjustly.
The background process for the Ohio Bar makes you list every parking ticket you ever received. Luckily I only had 1, but still that is annoying. I have a very clean background as far as I know. I do worry a little bit about the polygraph, only because I took an entire course in law school that discussed why it is not used in legal proceedings for the most part. Being aware of the polygraph errors makes me worry that I might get extra nervous or something.
I have a question as far as the background process goes. Do they go and visit everyone on your list or do they call people on the phone? Is it a combination of both? Will everyone on the list be contacted or is it random? I have lived in several apartments over the last 4 years and I couldn't tell you any of my neighbors names because all I did was go to school then work, then come home and study. Law school puts a stop to your social life :(
OrangeAlum2003
08-12-2005, 20:31
Law school puts a stop to your social life :(
What, is law school like hard or something???
:wink:
I have a question as far as the background process goes. Do they go and visit everyone on your list or do they call people on the phone? Is it a combination of both? Will everyone on the list be contacted or is it random? I have lived in several apartments over the last 4 years and I couldn't tell you any of my neighbors names because all I did was go to school then work, then come home and study. Law school puts a stop to your social life :(
The goal is to conduct in-person interviews of all references and points of contact. One reason is that a one-on-one interview ensures the best possible focus on the part of the interviewee and offers the interviewer the maximum ability to identify any attempts at deception (whether that's in favor of the candidate or derogatory information).
If they do a neighborhood visit, they'll come around, talk to the neighbors and see what kind of impressions a candidate has made. Strange traffic to the residence, loud and raunchy parties, etc.
Dear Kristin,
I'll let Eff-bee-eye handle this, but I think I should say something since I believe it is my previous post to which you refer. Certainly there are automatic disqualifiers, e.g., the drug questions on Quickhire, felonies, etc. My point was that being upfont and demonstrating candor goes a long way. If you flat out lie, well, that's a problem. If you try to hide something, it will come out in the BI if not the poly. Even if what you hid wasn't a big deal per se, your hiding it becomes a character issue--"You hid this, would you try to hide something else, too?" I apologize for being unclear.
tdstolz,
I hope you didn't take what I said the wrong way. I realize that you were probably not talking about anything major or infering that you had done anything major in your life. I was just over analyzing what you were saying and then I started to wonder if that concept applied to everything.
I have a tendency to read into everything or look for underlying messages and then over analyze the statement. Sorry!
Kristin
GTgrad02
08-13-2005, 02:58
I would be shocked if the Bureau would take the time to call those who aren't proceeding further. It's like pulling teeth getting calls for those they want to hire. It was courteous of them at least to send the email stating that some candidates are no longer in the running. Others on the board did 3 P's last year and thought they were well on their way only to still be left waiting with no word. I'm lucky to have a contact at my FO that will take my call and provide me with as much information as she as. That said, the information at her disposal is often incomplete because apparently there is some disconnect between the FO and HQ.
ORange, you ARE very lucky to have good POCs at your FO. The Applicant Coord (or AC) @ my FO (ATL) doesn't seem very interested with anyone other than SA applicants, period. They keep giving me contacts in other areas (which is good for the phone tree), but the other contacts tell me what they can, but that so-and-so is theC, ask them. That being said, many others in the office have been VERY helpful. So has the AC, but they seem iritated by "support staff" applicants.
GTgrad02
08-13-2005, 03:00
that's right... i haven't either, and i don't want to be the first to report that happening to me...
i've been trying to do the same thing, w/ little success... the only pattern that's held true based on the info i have is that those who get interviews eventually get CO's... i hope that continues... unfortunately, we still have yet to see anyone through the who process (app to interview to CO to final offer), though i'm sure that's bound to change..
HI ALL.. LONG TIME NO POST... Took a Sabatical/hiatus...
Darkstar... did you forget about Sigepoufu? He started with us all way back.. and started working 4 weeks ago. Many HAVE made it!
GTgrad02
08-13-2005, 03:23
Re. analyzing patterns and predicting outcomes: in my case, I am only being considered for a slot at HQ. I interviewed at the closest FO for said HQ position and, subsequently, was scheduled for PPP at same FO less than one month after that panel interview. Two days after going to the FO for the PP (actually, urine sample was taken same day as the interview), I received CO from HR person at HQ. The next day, I received a call from staffing individual at the FO advising me that I'd passed PPP and that BI would commence immediately. As of today, the BI has been underway for about 2.5 months.
It seems to me that many (most?) people here are in the loop for an FO slot. Am I off base when I think that the process for the FO positions seems to be far less streamlined? My experience, thus far, appears to be consistent with earlier posts by HQ candidates.
Who knows, eh? Just my $.02.
Anwalt,
Due to the plethora of positions in the HQ controled areas, it would make sense that these apps would move faster. I was advised post-interview by my lead paneleer that I was "hot-filed." I applied under FO postings (19/20) but told them I wanted HQ 1st... they were cool with that. I think we all get thrown into the "eligible" pot like big IA Gumbo for any location to scoop us out (sorry, I'm hungry). Also, The Bis are getting outsourced. One of my college references talked w/ a FBI retiree gone contractor. Another military reference met with the Dept. of State. I think the whole might of Uncle Sam is trying to help the Bu meet their mandates.
I can't wait to get into the fold and help find Osama!
All,
Here's my news:
3/22 - apply
5/26 - 1st call
6/0? - interview
6/12 - phone CO from HQ
6/17 - written CO from HQ
7/0? - 3 Ps
8/10 - call from primary BI'r in ATL w/ POC update questions (cool guy). Says he's going to wrap up the ATL side of my BI next week.
For all those that want to criticize the Bu for being slow/backwards... try working for DHS/TSA! 3 years after "standing" the agency up.. we're still working with copiers/printers that folks are donating/bringing in from HOME! Forget about internet access. We darn near have to hand write every report. We've got 500 Dell laptops that are lucky their plugged in, let alone networked. We just got the actual office space and cubicle divisions for 10 of them 3 months ago! Filing system? What filing system... you mean the old boxes we had to get from the liquour store down the road? I laughed at the thought I might get asked if I ever stole anything from work! My job is BYOP - Bring Your Own Pen! Welcome to the wonderful world of working for the federal government... Man I wish I could find one of those $5000 toilet seats... the agency could use it to barter for a funtioning copier! We didn't get our agency Id's until 18 months after we were hired! Enough on this, though.. the list could go on!
GTgrad02
08-13-2005, 03:23
I am right behind you in the process. I interviewed on 7 June 2005.
I'm with you too...
GTgrad02
08-13-2005, 03:27
id stick with it, the process for an SA is loooooooooooooooooooooooooooong. You never know, gives you another option.
I am in the SA process too! I took P1 test around early June. Took the language test within the last 3 weeks or so. When I took the P1 test, it had been 14 months since I applied (off the cuff..?14?16?). My app was the YOUNGEST! Most had waited 24 MONTHS to get called in for the P1 test!!!!!! Take it when you can! Put yourself in the position of turning THEM down! The SA process will take YEARS! You might have a few years exp in FBI intel by the time you get real far in the SA process!
GTgrad02
08-13-2005, 03:30
after i received a start date, i thought i had left the nail-biting forest for good. but i'm back now. from reading the posts in the FBI IA thread and its many sequals, at least i know i'm in good company. ;)
...
but now, of course, since i've developed the prevalent but underdiagnosed IA Applicant Neurosis (IAAN), i'm wondering if i only made it through adjudication because they thought the roommate WAS a citizen or permanent resident.
:)
LOL!!!!!! IAAN!! Congrats on the EOD. Please, speak more about the EOD process. When did they call. What was the date spread? +30 days out, less? Did they indicate any relocation assistance or recommendations? Indication of work location, shift, future salary/bonus/student loan repayment negotiations, etc?
All info appreciated... Thanks!!
GTgrad02
08-13-2005, 03:55
wow 7 posts! making up for lost time.
LOL!!!!!! IAAN!! Congrats on the EOD. Please, speak more about the EOD process. When did they call. What was the date spread? +30 days out, less? Did they indicate any relocation assistance or recommendations? Indication of work location, shift, future salary/bonus/student loan repayment negotiations, etc?
All info appreciated... Thanks!!
well, i applied in feb 05 and started background in early apr 05. i heard a couple of peeps from one person doing the BI, then nothing. nothing, nada, zip. tried several times to pin down an AC - at HQ? baltimore? dc? but apparently i didn't have one. no biggie, except for worsening the IAAN symptoms somewhat ;)
then, about 3 weeks or so ago, there was a message on my answering machine from someone at the fbi. i called back the next day (late july) and received an offer to begin august 22nd. i asked if i could extend it a bit (have plane tickets to leave aug 29th) and she said no problem. new start date is mid september.
i didn't ask about relocation 'cause i live in southern maryland anyway. technically, i MAY be eligible for it because of how far i live from the office, but i decided not to ask. (it's at HQ.)
she offered a gs-9 step 1. i asked about the recruitment bonus, but she said that current federal employees aren't eligible. dammit. so i asked her if since i'd held a higher position in the government (gs-13), was i eligible for a higher step at the 9? and she said she was pretty sure they could do that. just needed me to fax relevant SF-50's, then, she'd clear it and it would be in the final offer letter.
a letter which, of course, i started checking the mail for two days later :)
when it hadn't shown for two weeks AND i got a call from an SA asking a BI question, i decided to call both people - the SA and my staffing POC. the rest of the story is in my previous post.
any other questions, let me know. i'll start checking the mail again on wednesday.... oh - and when i talked to the staffing person, she said they had okayed hiring me as a 9 step 10. that's a difference of more than $12,000 a year. that's a lot of money just for asking a question, so if there are any current or previous feds in the same boat, remember to ask!
I am in the SA process too! I took P1 test around early June. Took the language test within the last 3 weeks or so. When I took the P1 test, it had been 14 months since I applied (off the cuff..?14?16?). My app was the YOUNGEST! Most had waited 24 MONTHS to get called in for the P1 test!!!!!! Take it when you can! Put yourself in the position of turning THEM down! The SA process will take YEARS! You might have a few years exp in FBI intel by the time you get real far in the SA process!
I think they are speeding up the SA process, but I decided that am not going to take the p1 test bc I don't want to have to live away from my fiancee. I think you don't find out where you will be stationed until week 7 of training. That is not a viable option for us at this point, especially when you factor in the work thing I mentioned in an earlier post . The IA timeline is working out well for us though. I should know which FO I will be at in time for her to do her residency in the same city.
I would like to take the exercise portion of the SA test for the hell of it though. I am a workout addict :D
darkstar
08-13-2005, 08:54
HI ALL.. LONG TIME NO POST... Took a Sabatical/hiatus...
Darkstar... did you forget about Sigepoufu? He started with us all way back.. and started working 4 weeks ago. Many HAVE made it!
sorry, i'm afraid i did forget...score one for the good guys...
tdstolz,
I hope you didn't take what I said the wrong way. I realize that you were probably not talking about anything major or infering that you had done anything major in your life. I was just over analyzing what you were saying and then I started to wonder if that concept applied to everything.
I have a tendency to read into everything or look for underlying messages and then over analyze the statement. Sorry!
Kristin
Yes, nothing quite like over-analyzing, now is there!
I remember when I was filling out my SF-86 and I came to item 14 ("Your Relatives and Associates"). My wife has a second cousin from Norway who has been a legal alien for nearly fifteen years. We see him from time to time, so I felt it was necessary to include him as an "Other Relative." I attached an explanation to my SF-86 explaining who this person is, my relationship with him, where he is from, his status, etc. I even brought this up during my PSI, showing the SA what I had done on the form and yet again walking her through everything. After my explanation, she smiled and said, "We're not really worried about Norway." And that was that.
So, yes, I know all about over-analyzing!
Generally, something that was a felony in nature, even if not prosecuted, is going to cause Security Division to take a long, hard look at a candidate. Absent extenuating circumstances, the candidate is going to have a very tough road to travel to get in the FBI. There are enough great candidates out there that there is no real reason to take a risk on someone who could be a loose cannon.
There is a bigger picture that may be missed here. An IA will, due to the nature of their work, get involved in the day-to-day operations of the FBI. While the focus may be on counterterrorism, a big part of that is identifying and disrupting operations prior to their being able to be accomplished. IAs may be heavily involved in the process and may get called to testify in court regarding some of their conclusions. If an IA has a blemish in their past, it can and probably will come out in court, thus potentially undermining an IA's credibility and sinking a case. That is why lack of candor is such a big deal. If someone involved in court proceedings is shown to have lied, they are investigated and, if appropriate, terminated. In some cases, they are prosecuted for lying under oath. This happened recently to a laboratory technician who misrepresented completing various protocols and the issue came out. The biologist was terminated, prosecuted and sent to jail. Every case the biologist has worked on in the past has been reviewed, at considerable expense. The final consequences of a lack of due diligence on the part of the biologist and the misrepresentations made in laboratory notes may not be known for some time. It has provided dozens of defendants a grounds for appeal of their case.
This example shows why the FBI conducts its own background investigaitons - if someone has a habit of phoning it in, not putting out full effort, or making misrepresentations, that person probably will not be suitable for the FBI. The stakes are huge.
Thanks, BuMan! I have also heard (and I think someone else mentioned this) that if something detrimental is discovered during the field investigation in particular, the BI stops and won't continue--either at all or at least until the matter is resolved. I'm unclear, though, what exactly is done in adjudication. I know that it is the final review of everything, but I am unsure if credit and agency checks are done then or at the beginning of the BI. My understanding is also that even though different agencies do BIs differently, adjudicative guidelines all follow Executive Order 12968: http://www.dss.mil/search-dir/training/csg/security/S3stndrd/Adjudica.htm
This continues to be a learning process for me, so I'm always grateful for your input and hope to join you soon!
GTgrad02
08-13-2005, 10:08
I think they are speeding up the SA process, but I decided that am not going to take the p1 test bc I don't want to have to live away from my fiancee. I think you don't find out where you will be stationed until week 7 of training. That is not a viable option for us at this point, especially when you factor in the work thing I mentioned in an earlier post . The IA timeline is working out well for us though. I should know which FO I will be at in time for her to do her residency in the same city.
I would like to take the exercise portion of the SA test for the hell of it though. I am a workout addict :D
I'm lucky I guess. wifes a nurse and willing to relocate anywhere.
GTgrad02
08-13-2005, 10:09
well, i applied in feb 05 and started background in early apr 05. i heard a couple of peeps from one person doing the BI, then nothing. nothing, nada, zip. tried several times to pin down an AC - at HQ? baltimore? dc? but apparently i didn't have one. no biggie, except for worsening the IAAN symptoms somewhat ;)
then, about 3 weeks or so ago, there was a message on my answering machine from someone at the fbi. i called back the next day (late july) and received an offer to begin august 22nd. i asked if i could extend it a bit (have plane tickets to leave aug 29th) and she said no problem. new start date is mid september.
i didn't ask about relocation 'cause i live in southern maryland anyway. technically, i MAY be eligible for it because of how far i live from the office, but i decided not to ask. (it's at HQ.)
she offered a gs-9 step 1. i asked about the recruitment bonus, but she said that current federal employees aren't eligible. dammit. so i asked her if since i'd held a higher position in the government (gs-13), was i eligible for a higher step at the 9? and she said she was pretty sure they could do that. just needed me to fax relevant SF-50's, then, she'd clear it and it would be in the final offer letter.
a letter which, of course, i started checking the mail for two days later :)
when it hadn't shown for two weeks AND i got a call from an SA asking a BI question, i decided to call both people - the SA and my staffing POC. the rest of the story is in my previous post.
any other questions, let me know. i'll start checking the mail again on wednesday.... oh - and when i talked to the staffing person, she said they had okayed hiring me as a 9 step 10. that's a difference of more than $12,000 a year. that's a lot of money just for asking a question, so if there are any current or previous feds in the same boat, remember to ask!
Yeah, I got GS9 S4, just a little bit more than I got now in DHS. NO bonus... darn... no one told me about fed ineligibility.
GTgrad02
08-13-2005, 10:10
sorry, i'm afraid i did forget...score one for the good guys...
youre forgiven.. by the mighty Sig-puff... and me too
I'm lucky I guess. wifes a nurse and willing to relocate anywhere.
My gf is willing but unable. You can't switch around during the residency program. Once she is out, then she will be able to go around to anywhere.
Thanks, BuMan! I have also heard (and I think someone else mentioned this) that if something detrimental is discovered during the field investigation in particular, the BI stops and won't continue--either at all or at least until the matter is resolved. I'm unclear, though, what exactly is done in adjudication. I know that it is the final review of everything, but I am unsure if credit and agency checks are done then or at the beginning of the BI. My understanding is also that even though different agencies do BIs differently, adjudicative guidelines all follow Executive Order 12968: http://www.dss.mil/search-dir/training/csg/security/S3stndrd/Adjudica.htm
This continues to be a learning process for me, so I'm always grateful for your input and hope to join you soon!
For the security clearance portion, sure, those are the guidelines that are used. But it's important to get clear in your mind that there are two separate processes underway here - 1) Is this candidate suitable to receive a minimum of a TS security clearance? and 2) Is this candidate suitable to work for the FBI? The second question is completely separate from the first. There are people who can get security clearances, even at the highest level, from other agencies, who are found to be not suitable for employment by the FBI. It's not just the security clearance.
CPD-Dispatcher
08-13-2005, 15:36
And yet another new thread will be needed. Man can you guys talk :D
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