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well for the friends that had a problem with my "coke" test. I just have to say that trying it and finding it to be something I did not want to do is a good thing. and the point that I was trying to make was that who of you @ 16 thought of an event as seemingly innocent as TRYING a drug would effect the rest of your career and life.
and for the up holding the law issue. is their anyone of you that has broken a law and had there lifes choices limited by it. for me @ 16yrs of age I was only thinking of 2 things for the future
1. playing hockey
2. what do my friends think of me.
sorry to have offended you all but I think my experiences are a good thing and not a bad thing. I accept who I am and try to improve on that. just like I do not judge my friends I just except that they are who they are. but if they screw up I am the first to tell them so and to try to assist them thru the problem and let them learn there own lesson. I believe this is what an officer need to be. do not judge them til they do something to be judged for then let someone esle do the judging,,,
right BADGE_29.
badge_29
07-21-2000, 00:25
as a professional police officer you judge people every day. you have 4 choices let go, file report, cite (if applicable,) and arrest. through all that there is a bracket you must operate in or you'll burn out. its your own standard. what i might stop, you cite, what i arrest, you let go. etc... its not that you offended me its that your tolerance of that drug offended me. in my job that attitude has ruined lives. i have seen it. i just believe strongly in enforcing hard drug laws. you know you did'nt mention anything of the second post in the first one. why was that. i'll tell you this if you would have posted the second one first then i know "we" would have been more on your side, but you came to a lawenforcement site and admitted to agreeing with the commission of a felony offense. sorry, but if you,me, or anyone commit a felony then you, me, or anyone should be punished period. its not that i won't go out of my way to help anyone, its just i won't allow a felony to be committed even in words around me. it goes against my training and expirence. i do want you or anybody to become good people. to help others (thats why i post as a moderator). good luck and i hope you get what you want, and mybe one day when your older you'll realize that even turning a "blind eye" to the commission of crime (drugs) how that act just makes it that much harder to control it.
gig1,
Until you become part of it, you can never comprehend what goes on in the street. As a police officer we see it every day, day in and day out. Lives ruined by drugs. Not only the user's life, but the innocent child asleep in their bed and hit by a stray bullet from a drug war on the nearby street corner. The children going hungry and living in a pigpen because their parents are spaced out on drugs. Children in grade school getting hooked on hard drugs and then turning to crime to supply their habit. To see an adult waste their life on drugs is bad enough, but it's the part with the children, innocent children, that get to us. Almost all the calls I go on are related to drugs. Whether it's child abuse, domestics, robberies, burglaries, suicide, homicide, carjacking or traffic accidents. Mister, you just can't comprehend what goes on out there. Yes, you may see part of it, when it hits in your little world, but believe me, you don't see it all. But, WE DO. We're in the middle of it everyday and have to help pick up the pieces. And, it's not just in the big cities like it used to be. Go anywhere USA, small towns, backwoods, you name it and you will see illegal drug use and its affects. So, when you come on this board among all of us that are out there everyday, who see first hand how drugs are tearing this country apart and for you to say drugs are not a bad thing. Well, now you know how we feel about it and why we reacted the way we did!
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KingCo-Former
07-21-2000, 19:05
Has anyone of us broken a law and had their lifes' choices affected from it? Yes!!
Take a gander at "Is there getting past a mistake?" and see how I affected my alternatives and options.
You see, when you are young your options are limitless and so much potential is there.
By doing drugs, legal and illegal ones, you can make those options a whole bunch narrower. You can get just as screwed up by the legal ones as the illegal ones.And you really don't have to try all that hard to get hooked.
Now, because of my actions, my career as an Officer is more than likely over, my marriage is nearly history, and all because I made the wrong choice(s).
Not one day goes by that I do not think and have deep regrets for what I have done. It has been five years and I miss being an Officer so much. I had finally found what I was naturally good at, and I threw it away.
So Gig, I won't judge ya, but I will offer my experience to you so you can see what a possible outcome can be. I would hate to see one person have to go through what I did, but I put myself there. You could just as easily end up in the same spot, and believe me, I could have lived without the experience.
I THINK WE GOT OFF ON THE WRONG FOOT. What I was speaking of was that I made a mistake at a young age (16) I am now 31 and am unsure of my abilty to do something positive by becoming a police officer.
My issue was with the LE stance on drugs. I tried it one time and now I am under the belief that I can not get on a department for a MISTAKE(!!!!!!!!) i MADE. I do believe that drinking and drugs are a major issue and detriment (hope i spelled that right) to our society. Let me be clear
<FONT COLOR="Red">I AM NOT CONDONING DRUGS OR DOING ANYTHING ILLEGAL.</FONT c>
I am saying that my trying something should not be something that should affect the rest of my life. and by the way I have worked with special needs kids and kids whos parents have been drinking and drug dependant. I also presently work in the security industry as a safeman and deal with LE every week.
badge_29
07-22-2000, 00:56
gig1, i accept that for a withdraw on YOUR judgement of what i said. i love this post because it gives me a chance to met people. those in need and those balancing between doing whats right and being influenced to do what others deem as "cool" peer pressure is wrong and those that bow to it usually realize later that they should have stood on their own two feet. i believe in this saying "if you don't do wrong how do you know whats really right." but add this "somethings are best left in the head." good luck
badge_29
07-22-2000, 00:57
very well stated DelC. nothing else need be said
I dont care about the response I know Im going to get from this, so all of you give it your best shot....I dont think you should be condemed the rest of your life for mistakes you have made in the past, especially when young. I realize there are you, non-sinner god-like souls, walking the earth, but that doesn't mean otherwise good people should be left out of LE Jobs because you all have seen the devestations and sorrows drugs have caused first hand. Let us not forget about devestations and sorrows caused by alcohol, ciggerettes, and guns. Theres a reason we don't hire 16 and 17 year old kids as Police Officers, because their children, however an amazing thing happens, we grow up and become adults. Hire adults not kids....Hire me now, not as I once was 10 years ago!!!!!!!!! Ps, I have never done drugs...
State PO
12-07-2000, 15:10
Learning from your mistakes as a youth is one of the hardest class we all must take. Unfortunately drugs and substance abuse is a big issue in todays society. My feeling has always been that we work in law enforcement not Priesthood. In other words, we have all done things that we regret while growing up. I have never taken drugs but have done things I feel that I should not have. While in college, has anyone drank to much, pulled a fraternity prank, skipped a class, told a lie to get out of a test. We should all be held accountable for our pasts, but to what degree. LE is one of the most competitive area to become employed in today, as it should be. Drug use should be taken into account, but so should your current life style, the amount of time that went by and the lessons you have learned. For the most part I believe that most dept. do take these factors into account.
Mik,
Nobody condemns someone for what they did 10 years ago. It boils down to trying to justify it now. It makes the difference between taking responsibility for your actions and distancing yourself from them by saying they are in the past. Too many people think they should be admonished because they were "just kids". I have broken laws myself, but when asked during a police interview, I always have to be prepared to explain what I learned that made me different today and how I changed my life for the better. I do not talk about how I was young and it should be forgotten. People relive their mistakes when they forget about them the first time.
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THINGS YOU DO AS A TEENAGER HELP TO SHAPE THE ADULT YOU BECOME. WHAT I DON'T AGREE WITH IS ALL THE POSTINGS WHERE PEOPLE ARE SAYING DON'T JUDGE- BUT IN THE SAME POST THEY SAY THAT A PERSON WHO NEVER TRIED DRUGS ARE "NON-SINNERS, WITH GOD-LIKE SOULS". JUST BECAUSE I HAD RESTRAINT DOES'T MAKE ME A SAINT WHO NEVER MADE MISTAKES- IT JUST MEANS THAT I MADE GOOD DECISIONS AND IF GETTING INTO LAW ENFORCEMENT IS A REWARD FOR THIS GOOD JUDGEMENT- THEN YES, I DESERVE IT MORE THAN THOSE WHO COULDN'T CONTROL THEMSELVES AND CAVED INTO PEER PRESSURE. IT MAY NOT SEEM FAIR- BUT SO WHAT GET OVER IT!
What in hell has happened to our world? When I was growing up (not very long ago) A problem kid skipped school and stole smokes from 7Eleven. Now we have kids doing Coke, or "TRYING" it. Good God man, where is your sense of regret? Cocain is a highly addictive and destructive substance. What was your state of mind when you though you would ingest a deadly poison into you body? You said you had hockey on the brain? If you are anything of an athlete then you are well aware of what that crap does to your body. And how can you have sports and drugs on your mind at the same time?
A 13 year old boy was sentenced for murder because of something he did when he was 12. And you argue that at 16 your felony is not so bad?
As a society we have allowed ourselves and our children to become desensitised regarding issues of moral, legal, and ethical nature. I'm no saint, I have done wrong, and I pay for it every day. I only wish that as a world, we would smarten up and stop spewing this not condemnational crap within earshot of our kids. "Well, Dad did it when he was 16 ...I'm 15 what the hell!" And your grankids are doing it when their 14!!. Where does it end. I am dead set against anyone doing anything I did to limit my life. Call me a hipocrit, I think I am using my experience to try to raise a new generation that won't feel so comfortable cramming poison up their nose!!
Thus, I relinquish my control of yonder soapbox!
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lightemup
07-25-2001, 12:57
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Delc,
High Five, well said.
The streets change your idea of how drugs work and what you think about them don't they?
I get so sick and tired of people trading their car for a few hours so a dealer can go sell MORE drugs and the owner of the car gets his hit of crack for the day. What a bunch of crap.
Does anyone NOT in law enforcement know how much this single act happens? Every friggin day. And guess what, these losers call us when they freak out and realize their car hasn't been returned. So after we dig through their LYING about what is really going on with their car, 1 hour has passed and legitmate calls are not getting attention because some Doper was busy wasting time with a bonk call.
Ha, and these people want to say hey, it was just a little expirementation, that's all. Let me be a cop to clean up my life.
Let me ask you this, to whomever started this post, ( for some reason I can't see the name, something is wrong with my browser), what is your stance on hard drugs like X, Acid, Meth, Cocaine etc? Is it okay to do these and then ask to be a cop?
I agree with "StatePO"! As for "JayBird" and the others who are sitting in judgement, let me say this. How DARE you condemn others, especially for something they did once or twice 15 years ago?! Yes drugs are stupid. Yes drugs are the reason people (and cops) are getting killed on the street, but does that mean that one stupid choice made a lifetime ago means you can't be an excellent Law Enforcement officer? ABSOLUTELY NOT!
The argument about drug use being illegal is one you CAN NOT use unless you can honestly say you have never broken the law. CAN YOU CLAIM YOU HAVE NEVER DONE THE FOLLOWING?
Drank 1 or 2 beers and drove your car w/in an hour
Rolled through a stop sign
Ran a yellow light
Ran a red light
Through a cigerette butt out the window
Drove 50mph in a 45mph zone
Proceeded through a cross walk when the peds not all the way accross
Made an unlawfull U-turn
Burned a campfire in a no burn area
All of the above, illegal, actions can result in someone's death. They are poor judgments. According to one reply, poor judgments should keep one out of Law Enforcment. GIVE ME A BREAK! If trying drugs in your youth should ban you from Law Enforcement, then any of the above should too!
I would rather have a partner who knows, first hand how terrible the affects of drugs can be and has made the decision NOT to ever do them again, rather than have a partner who is so self righteous, that they think they can sit in judgement of anyone who has tried a joint in their lifetime. As community Policing becomes the biggest goal of departments, so becomes the need to have officers that are compassionate and non-judgmental.
Jules: Your arguments are typical of one who wants to justify their violations of the law by saying "Well, EVERYONE does it". If you want to apply for 1000's of jobs that do not require applicants to have limited prior drug useage, they are available to you. However, LAW ENFORCEMENT positions require certain prior history to qualify. It is not too much to ask and there are thousands that qualify. NO drug useage is not required. Most departments allow multiple marijuana experimentation, some even coke use. Most will DQ for any hallucinogens. Now, if you can't qualify, please feel free to seek another career field and don't bash those that can make the cut. JMHO.
dmclark
My statement was NEVER meant to justify any violations. In my opinion, violations of the law are not justifyiable, BUT minor violations can be absolvable in a court of law. You seem to support the belief that any drug use (whether it be one try as a minor) is never absolvable therefore one should never be able to become a police officer.
Hats off to those who have never tried drugs. That is comendable. I agree that those applicants should be at a higher ranking than those who have tried drugs (their pasts being equal in all other aspects). But I do not believe that a life sentance should be given to those applicants that have tried drugs and will never do them again.
Let me give you a scenario of a family member that is applying for a LE position. He is 34, he has never received a speeding/traffic ticket, never been at fault in a car accident, he has the highest credit score you can have, he does not drink, he does not smoke, he has no criminal history, he has never had a temper, he has a BS in journalism, he does not gamble,he has never stolen anything, his references are outstanding, he tried coke twice and pot 3 times in 16 years ago. He is ranked 16 out of 300 applicants. Are you saying he should never be able to become an officer?
I gather from your pitch that you think he should. We are a nation of laws. That's what your "friend" is seeking to uphold...laws and standards as set by the state, local and federal governments. The standard set by most of the law enforcement agencies is that coke is a DQ. Period. Not spitting out the window or running a red light. Felony use of a Controlled Substance. Like it or not, it's the rules.
He may be an excellent role model as a teacher or some other profession, but the current standards make him ineligible. It is not a case of "fair" application of the law, as you'll note Lady Justice wears a blindfold.
Your "life sentence" as you put it, is ineligibility for most agencies as a law enforcement officer. You broke the law and now must pay. It's not rocket science.
Yes, hats off to those that have never tried drugs. They are eligible to fulfill their dream. I wish you luck in other future endeavors.
Okay Jules,
What are you arguing? I can see your little "i love dopers" ploy coming into play here. Are you going to argue that drug users that are applying for law enforcement positions should be considered? Or are you going to bring in traffic violations and drugs and other stuff into the equation? trying to make it look like drugs aren't so bad while comparing apples to oranges. You are trying to compare traffic violation and drinking *WHICH IS LEGAL* to Drug use? The thing is, these aren't close, no where near being able to be compared.
First of all, its not against the law to have consumed alcohol before driving. Did you know that? probably not. It IS ILLEGAL to operatea motor vehicle when you are too impaired to do so.
The rest of those little arguments don't even work.
How are you going to enforce drug laws when you are sitting her advocating for these people?
I think maybe, supposing you get into law enforcement, that when you see what hard drugs do to people, your opinion will change.
As for judging others that use drugs, well, I reserve the right. I've never used them and I never will. ANd I'll continue to be against drug use and more than happy to arrest drug users and dealers.
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Jules:
And YOU have continued to ignore the basic premise that there are RULES that indicate that some experimentation is acceptable in the application process and some aren't. More than 10X of marijuana "experimentation" isn't experimentation, it's use, plain and simple. Coke use may be an automatic DQ and in some jurisdictions, 1X useage may be allowed.
You want the rules to bend to apply to you. Please understand that that is not the way we work. YOU have to abide by the rule and then you qualify for the job. In law enforcement, we have scores of rules and thousands of laws. Some we have discretion over, others are firm and fast.
You certainly can have your opinion on what you believe the rules should be. However, understand that the rules won't change because of your personal preferences.
In my opinion, if you "experimented" with coke 15 years ago, you made a decision. The fact that it wasn't a good decision 15 years later is something you have to live with and really not relevant to the law enforcement recruitment process. We all live with our decisions, good and bad. And ALL of us wish at some point in our lives we had the maturity and wisdom of age when we screwed up.
I suggest you move on. Best of luck.
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