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Gar
09-08-2001, 10:40
A supervisor in one of the Police Department's elite units who used racial epithets while on duty has been transferred to Harlem, assuming command of night patrols in the city's most prominent black neighborhood.

The transfer has angered fraternal groups of black officers and a city councilman, who described it as a blunder by an institution that has been trying to improve relations with minority residents.

In a confidential investigation earlier this year, the department found that the supervisor, Lt. Edward J. Weireter, had used the word nigger while working at the Aviation Unit in Brooklyn, where he directed training for the department's helicopter pilots. One police officer told investigators that he heard the lieutenant use the word in a demeaning remark about a black family on television. The lieutenant has admitted to investigators that he said it while repeating racist jokes and in conversations at work. Lieutenant Weireter is white.

To discipline the lieutenant, the department in July removed him from the Aviation Unit, ordered him to attend sensitivity training at the Police Academy and reassigned him to the 26th Precinct in Harlem. Police officials said that the department did not consider a neighborhood's demographics when assigning officers to their duties, and that the transfer served the department's needs at the time.

"That's where we had a need, and that's where we put him," said Deputy Commissioner Thomas Antenen, a police spokesman. "He's a member of our service, and members are expected to adhere to the rules and regulations of the department."

Several black officers, however, said last week that the penalty sent a mixed message to other officers and indicated a worrisome indifference to the neighborhood. "They took his cushy assignment away from him and put him in a predominantly African-American neighborhood, and that's seen as a punishment?" said Detective Jacqueline E. Parris, president of the Guardians Association, a black fraternal group. "The Police Department knows he is comfortable using offensive language about African- Americans. How can it expect him to care about Harlem?"

Councilman Bill Perkins, whose district includes the 26th Precinct, said he was troubled, too. "If he is here with bad feelings about being reassigned, with all the power a police supervisor has, it could be very bad for my community," he said.

The transfer followed an internal discrimination complaint filed by Officer David K. Leader, 43, the department's only black helicopter pilot.

Officer Leader, a 19-year department veteran, flies the force's Bell 206 patrol helicopters, but has never been trained to fly the Bell 412, a more sophisticated aircraft used for search-and-rescue missions. In January, he told the department's equal employment office that less-experienced white pilots had been trained ahead of him, and that Lieutenant Weireter had blocked him because of his age and race.

"No matter what I did there, it seemed I was being held to a higher standard," Officer Leader said in an interview.

The Aviation Unit is regarded within the ranks as one of the Police Department's sweetest plums; it is virtually impossible to be assigned to the command without help from politically connected senior officers. It is also one of the last redoubts of the white male ranks. In its 72 years of existence, only five black officers have been assigned to it. Officer Leader has been its sole black pilot for several years.

In Officer Leader's case, department investigators were unable to determine whether he had been prevented from advancing because of his race or age, and his discrimination claim was not substantiated, according to the department. Nonetheless, one police official said investigators did conclude that assignments in the Aviation Unit were arbitrary and that "Lieutenant Weireter's motivation for preventing Officer Leader from obtaining further training was questionable."

The official also said that when interviewing pilots, an investigator found that Lieutenant Weireter had used the racial epithet several times. The investigator did not find that the lieutenant had used the word in reference to Officer Leader.

Officer Leader said that the department's findings were unsatisfactory and that he intended to file a federal discrimination lawsuit. "The results are incongruous," said his lawyer, Dan Gazan. "On the one hand, a supervisor exhibited racist behavior. On the other, the same supervisor did not discriminate."

Lieutenant Weireter, on the advice of his union, the Lieutenants Benevolent Association, would not comment.

His case, like the word he used, has divided many officers, in expected and surprising ways. One senior black officer, for instance, defended the transfer, saying that if the department made uttering the epithet grounds to keep officers from certain neighborhoods, it risked setting an unmanageable precedent. "If saying that word was all it takes to get out of working in Harlem, guys would be shouting it out at roll call," he said.

Pilots in the Aviation Unit said the command was beset with tension, as its members wondered which of their peers had cooperated with investigators and whether Officer Leader, who was removed from the unit during the investigation but was scheduled to fly again next week, would be ostracized. "It's a big subject of conversation," one pilot said. "It's pretty uncomfortable here."

The pilot also said Lieutenant Weireter was an effective boss, and had been unnecessarily maligned. "He's a good guy, but people went down to 1 Police Plaza and just harpooned him," he said.

Lt. Anthony Garvey, president of the Lieutenants Benevolent Association, said Lieutenant Weireter's career could effectively be ruined. "Sometimes what happens is someone makes inappropriate comments and then maybe they learn from their mistakes," he said. "That's what happened here. He made inappropriate comments and he's been penalized. This should be over."

Detective Parris said she intended to raise the issue with Police Commissioner Bernard B. Kerik. "I will be requesting from the commissioner that this guy be put somewhere else," she said.

Another veteran black officer had a suggestion. "They should have transferred him to the academy and put him in charge of sensitivity training," he said. "It might do everybody some good."



One senior black officer, for instance, defended the transfer, saying that if the department made uttering the epithet grounds to keep officers from certain neighborhoods, it risked setting an unmanageable precedent. "If saying that word was all it takes to get out of working in Harlem, guys would be shouting it out at roll call," he said

Damn he had a sweet job :crying:

DelC
09-09-2001, 22:29
Something I’ve never been able to understand; Blacks are allowed to use the “N” word, even when referring to whites, isn’t this some kind of a double standard???

crimjman
09-10-2001, 07:31
Delc,

I don't think it's a double standard. I think the issue involves the intent for using of the word, and if it was meant to be derogatory or demeaning. In the case of the LT, it would probably be a good idea if he updated/improved his vocabulary. Personally, I wouldn't use any derogatory word to describe anyone unless it's for informational use only. I've been in too many fights during my not-so-smart younger days due to the "you're momma is sooo fat, that.... " jokes. Only I should be able to poke fun at my moms weight ;)

margherita_2315
09-10-2001, 07:49
After reading this I am appalled. There are so many of us LE hopefuls busted our butts, and doing whatever it takes to get into LE and then you hear such disgraceful things like this! If I were the chief of police over in that department, I would have run him out of there already. So he says the N bomb and they transfer him to harlem?! That's like adding more lighter fluid to the fire, don't you all agree? He has a great rewarding job, and he takes it for granted, when so many of us hopefuls would do anything to be in his shoes. That's not fair at all. So many departments are so picky in who they want and they set such high standards for hiring, yet when something grave like this happens in a given department they mostly just slap him/her on the hand. That's kind of a double standard in my opinion. I sense a little hypocrisy from this subject. That's sad is all I can say. It disgusts me in fact. Out.

Bravo8
09-10-2001, 14:30
I disagree, Margherita. From what I gathered from the article, the word was used iin telling jokes and in reference to a family on television. Granted, it may have been a gross indiscretion, but I don't think it's the end of the world.

I have used the word nigger before. I have also used various racial slurs, including those refering to my own ethnicity. Now, don't get me wrong.....I don't use them to intentionally insult people, or call them names, etc. But I have told jokes and such using these terms. Does this make me less of a police officer? I think not.

I feel this is his right to free speech. It was not used to inflame someone, nor was it used in an attempt to cause an annoyance or inconvienence. I defend the right of a$$holes to call me names while on the job, why wouldn't I stand up for the rights of another officer?

Do I feel he should have used a little more common sense and watched his language? Absolutely.

But I for one am really sick of this politically correct BS all the time. Maybe I'm in the minority here, but this seems like the same type of situation where a minority applicant doesn't get chosen...they automatically play the race card. It has nothing to do with their qualifications. Now before I get slaughtered here, I realize that not all "minority" applicants blame discrimination, but it does happen quite often.

HK_precop
09-10-2001, 18:59
Originally posted by Bravo8
But I for one am really sick of this politically correct BS all the time. Maybe I'm in the minority here, but this seems like the same type of situation where a minority applicant doesn't get chosen...they automatically play the race card. It has nothing to do with their qualifications. Now before I get slaughtered here, I realize that not all "minority" applicants blame discrimination, but it does happen quite often.


Before you jump the gun here and say that you're tired of minority applicants whining i'm on the otherhand tired of hearing some white applicants whining about not getting chosen because of supposed "reverse discrimination." Judging by the frequency of posts on this forum alone i've seen far more white applicants whining about non selection than these supposed minorities "playing the race card."

nsedet
09-10-2001, 19:33
Originally posted by Bravo8
I disagree, Margherita. From what I gathered from the article, the word was used iin telling jokes and in reference to a family on television. Granted, it may have been a gross indiscretion, but I don't think it's the end of the world.


The article also indicated that he had used the word "in conversations at work." Sorry, but he is (1) a police officer, and (2) a manager within the department, and the use of derogatory words is inappropriate. The issue has nothing to do with "the right of a$$holes to call me names while on the job," it has to do with a professional law enforcement organization and the conduct of its managers within that environment. I would argue that, even as a white male, I think the use of such terms is inappropariate and can serve to create a hostile work environment. Should he be out of a job over it? Not in my opinion. The actions of the department seem pretty appropriate.

As for someone playing the race card...well, the issue in question didn't deal with an applicant not getting hired, but with a 20 year veteran being passed over. I have seen people scream racism and discrimination because they were not selected for a position, sometimes its a valid complaint and sometimes its not. Even the department indicated that the LT seemed to use "arbitrary" criteria in deciding who to promote, and that less experience officers were promoted over the veteran pilot. Does that mean it was discrimination? No. Does it mean that it was NOT discrimination? No again. Is it understandable that the officer might perceive the actions of his supervisor as having been discriminatory? Absolutely.

And yes, if you use this terminology in a derogatory manner--be it jokes, comments, slurs--I believe it does make you less of a police officer. If you have to alter your language in the presence of certain people so as not to offend them, then ask yourself why that language suddenly becomes OK to use when they are not around.

Bravo8
09-11-2001, 02:21
Originally posted by nsedet


If you have to alter your language in the presence of certain people so as not to offend them, then ask yourself why that language suddenly becomes OK to use when they are not around.

Because we do it all the time. Do you always tell people exactly what's on your mind? Or do you hold your tongue, and possibly vent at a another time, in order to avoid offending them? I would be willing to bet it's the latter.

Is the Lieutenant's use of certain words inappropriate?....maybe so. But I still say that he has the right to express his opinions, regardless of whether you agree with it or not. It just so happens that his opinion and choice of terminology is not the currently popular one.

If an officer calls another person an insulting name, that makes the officer less of a police officer? Even if the name isn't race related? I deal with assholes, scumbags, jerks, and a whole bunch of other undesirables, but by me calling them such I am lessened? You have never used the words? Sounds like a bunch of touchy-feely bull-caca to me...............

Do you curse? If so, do you use profanity in front of people on the street (while working)? If not, then you have just altered your speech to avoid offending someone.

As for the comment about minority hirings, I guess you guys are right. It applies just as much to white males claiming reverse discrimination. I guess I should have worded that point differently. I stand corrected.

My post was more of a venting of fustration than anything else. If someone utters certain words, the world is likely to come to an end. But reverse that, and let certain types of individuals use racial slurs against me, and that's ok. No one cares. Talk about a double standard. Nothing more than flaming liberalism....(or is the word liberal derogatory?)

crimjman
09-11-2001, 08:17
Bravo8,

I don't consider myself liberal, and I'm not sure why you're going that route. Folks should be treated equally, and if this LT is allowed to ramble off derogatory words regarding particular ethinic classes when referring to them, than what does it say about the working atmosophere in that area (especially if other ethnicities are present there).. I for one would not want to work in a environment where my own co-workers refer to me as N$%&% or Wet #&^*. And I wouldn't allow it.. It's tough enough that one has to face hostility from the public, I shouldn't have to worry about it from my fellow partners, etc..
Believe me when I say that if I spouted off derogatory words aimed at a particular race, I should be disciplined. CCase in point, when I was in the military, I booked a black guy for calling another shipmate a Cracker & Red Neck instead of his real title and name. Was it deservable, you make the call. Personally, it was a no-brainer..
I believe everyone has a right to state their beliefs, but allowing someone to degrade others by using deragatory remarks, I can't agree with that. If you do, than our views of professionalism in the workplace are just different. That's all..