Corrections Question

[WudUpA]

Ok... here is the sitrep:

You have a prisoner. We will call him Tremetrius Bradley. He was arrested for poss c/s with intent. The night they brought him in, he shot randomly at the N.T.F. Now, he is in D block of your jail. He pretty much gets along with all the guards except you. For some reason, he just doesnt respect you or like you. At first he starts giving you back talk. Then as time progresses...he starts giving you verbal threats (keep in mind this is a county jail) and you of course write the narritives to cover yourself. Then the verbal threats turn to verbal threats with fake attack movements. This all takes place over the period of one week. Then one afternoon after serving chow. Trametrius yells under the cell block door... "just wait till they open this door punk a$$ police M#THER F@$#ER.... Im gonna kick your a$$ this time fow show"...Then the officer in the booth tells you "Bradley in D block wants an asprin".

Now, policy in this county jail is not to ever use force on the inmates unless they use force on you first (this is not a joke).

Policy also states " if an inmate requests medication, you must serve it to the inmate"


What do you do ????

[JDG1872]

If you have documented the incidents and his actions, and made sure the Sgt. is aware, then go on about the job at hand.

If he is making threats I would think that he would be in lockdown and get his food/pills through the chow-hole...problem solved.

In Jail/Prison you will get threats and the jive they convicts like to throw around...part of the job; just document it when warranted and be ready to dance if he takes the lead, though you have the upper hand in most cases, the chow-hole and backup.

I would pass him his pill and be done with it.

[pointblanke]

i agree with the above. if you have properly reported all of his actions you have no shortage of documentation needed to move him to some sort of segregation. depending on the design of your facility there should be some sort of trap in the cell door to allow you pass food trays, t.p., aspirin, etc through with minimal risk to you, the officer. on a side note, be careful passing things through the trap. it's easy for an inmate to pull your arm in there. stay safe and keep us posted!

[WudUpA]

Thanks for the replies...

What I did was.... get the pill. The door had no feed tray to hand it to him. I signalled the officer in the booth, She popped the door. He was standing right there in the doorway and he went for it. I sprayed him. One tiny squirt in the eyes and he was down.

Unfortunately, I didnt stop there. I was furious. I couldnt think straight. So I may have felt that my safety was in a jeopardy. I may have over sprayed him (emptied the can on him).

Warden told me write a narritive. Then he went to look at the inmate and the inmate had mace in his hair, chest, all over his back. The inmate was washing his hair and orange stuff was comming out like tang.

Warden then called me in his office and said that I was at fault. He told me to never ever get caught spraying an inmate in the back again. He said once the inmate turns around, the aggression is over.

Myself and Inmate Bradley learned a valuable lesson. I learned not to spray him in the back. He learned never to mess with me again.

P.S. he now calls me BOSS

[pointblanke]

as a supervisor in a county jail (approx 400 i/m's) i would have backed you 150%, any inmate making a move like that should be sprayed, and to expect any officer who is being assaulted to stop and think "hey this guy has clearly learned his lesson, later on we'll sit arm in arm and sing 'kum ba ya' " is ludicrous. you were totally in the right on this one.

[WudUpA]

Thanks for the support...

I was written up for it but the was then removed from my record because of repeated past involvements with that inmate...

Its a good thing I write alot of narritives. In this case, they actually reviewed the inmates file and saw that I made duplicate copies of all my narritives, One for the shift sergeant, one for the captain and major, one for me and one for his file.

let this be a lesson to all...

DOCUMENT ALL INMATE ACTIVITIES NO MATTER HOW MINOR

[GALAWMAN]

I agree 100 % with what you did,I am saddened by the lack of support you recieved by your boss. If you emptied the can on him,so be it ! Don't second guess yourself on this one,I wish that I was there to back you up. Semper Fi

[sred102]

Thumbs up buddy, You are not in the wrong with the mace. So he has mace on his back. Its called incidental contact. It happens . Lets say in the force continum that an imate makes an atempt to use hard handed technics of attack. A fist . At our facility and most i know of I am approved to use hard impact weapon. Pr 24 lets say . Inmate attacks I return to protect myself attempting to strike a yellow area say the common perenial nerve of the outer thigh . BUT meatball moves on me.....I end up striking previously mentioned meatball in the knee cap and shatter it . Is that my fault HELL NO . Because the use of force and level of force was first determined by the inmates actions any INCIDENTAL contact caused like the knee is the imates fault.
I have no idea where your facility is but I msut say we do things differnt. There is no fake attack in our prison. If an inmate trys to touch me or one of my staff.....Its game on Mr badguy. End of story. Peice of advice....next time just use the Mag Fogger and get it on everybody....take care and watch your six....
sred

[sred102]

Warden then called me in his office and said that I was at fault. He told me to never ever get caught spraying an inmate in the back again. He said once the inmate turns around, the aggression is over.


So if the imate has his or her back turned they are no longer a threat.......? your warden needs to go back to kiddie city....until the meatball or meatballette is CUFFED .....its game on. If they are still standing and not complying to get down or what ever you tell them , Failure to comply im my book. Force will be used and meatball will hurt themseves....Like i said , maybe we do things different....;-) later all ....

[rjvz]

I agree with all of the replies. It's sad that your supervisor did not agree with the action that was taken. As it was said earlier just because an inmate turns his back doesn't mean that the threat is over. Unfortunatley this situation should have been stopped alot sooner. Where I work even acting like you are going to assault an officer is deemed an aggressive act and the inmate will be locked up. Good job though, and stay safe.

[OHcop2BE]

First of all If he were to be doing that kind of stuff at my jail, he would of gone straight to the hole for atleast 4 days. No phones, no T.V.'s and no visiting for 96hrs. seems to change peoples views...lol. Our clinic has a policy on medication, they must kite the clinic in order to receive ANYTHING, even if it is just a lil' ole aspirin. When they whine or overact about certain things and aren't showing any "typical" signs usually the "cure all" in our facility is...."have them drink some water and lay down". It is kind of cool, the inmates hate our facility sooo much because of the stringent policies that they thank the good lord when it is time to ride out to the pen., but at the same time they know we don't play that crap and even the mouthiest little smart ass thinks twice before he/she acts up. Unfortunately there are always a few of them that try to act like "the man" but it just puts them in a worse situation then what they already are.