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MrJim911
02-02-2002, 18:58
I found this very interesting article on the interference issues 800 MHz agencies have been experiencing and they explain the cause and possible solution. Officer and dispatcher alike will find this article informative.
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After two or three years of head scratching over interference, the country's 800 MHz system users finally have a defined enemy--Nextel. The company was identified as the main culprit in widespread interference on public safety radio systems in the 800 MHz band. Seems Nextel's high-power, low-altitude, digital radio sites are overpowering public safety mobile units, making communications unreliable in certain geographic locations. APCO and other experts came up with a "Best Practices" guide on reducing the problem and, to its credit, Nextel worked diligently to solve specific problems when they were identified. But the technology problem remains--the public safety and commercial frequency allocations in the 800 MHz band are interleaved, and too close together to eliminate interference completely. But what's the solution?

In a landmark appearance, Nextel co-founder and board chair Morgan O'Brien appeared at APCO's annual conference and promised a solution. And, boy, did he offer one! He came up with a plan to completely shuffle the current 800 MHz band allocations, eliminating the interleaved allocations and creating contiguous bands of frequencies for both commercial and public safety. He also promised $500 million for public safety to help make the transition to the new frequencies--there would be mass re-programing of radios, and possibly some equipment replacement or upgrades. In return--ahem--Nextel would receive a substantial allocation of frequencies in the new 2.1 GHz band allocated by the FCC for so-called "emergency technologies." On paper, Nextel's plan seems simple and effective, and appears to have enormous advantages for public safety. Politically, there are bound to be pitfalls when other carriers realize what advantages Nextel is carving out for itself. As of mid-January 2002 the FCC was still considering the proposal.
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Hopefully the FCC won't bog this down in red tape for the next few years.

Noodle
02-03-2002, 08:17
I don't know about any of you, but I really hate all of the interferience that I get from the Nextel. IMHO I believe that Nextel should be the one that should have to change frequencies not all of the Public Safety Insitutions out their. It would be cheaper, safer, and more convienient for the public. Either that or have some sort of editing frequency in use where public safety signals always override civilian signals. This is something that really really bothers me when I work, especially when working emergancies and I have to listen to little suzy complaining that bobby did not open her car door last night at their little social gathering. Not to mention that somehow, all the cell phone companies can get new towers everwhere and on top of buildings, and we can not even get one to fill the gaps in the system on the same buildings. Now I am done complaining.

DispNowCopL8r
02-05-2002, 04:36
Oh great! all of our cops just got NEXTEL cell phones!!!! Maybe I should show this article to our command staff!

ladymoonlite
02-05-2002, 05:10
Well I'm thanking the Powers That Be for one thing - while we have 800 trunking, I have NEVER had cell phone interference. At least not that I'm aware of! I've actually had more problems with interference from other departments than anything else.

I don't like the sound of the trade-off Nextel is offering - politics will prevail if we leave that door open. I'm a cell phone user myself, but public safety needs to take precedence over Suzy and her date! With the technology being used in wireless 9-1-1, perhaps the distinction could be made between emergency cellular usage and non-emergency, making Noodle's editing idea feasible...?

kenoshacop
02-05-2002, 12:29
As a non-dispatcher, I'm not real up to date on our radio system other than to say we have not made the switch to 800 mhz yet. I do know there is no way that 800 mhz can be as bad as ours. We our on Lake Michigan halfway between Chicago and Milwaukee. On most summer days or when the humidity is high, we get bleed over from a prison in Michigan. Their transmissions are clearer than our own and they are always on the radio! We also have several dead spots in coverage where on our main frequency we can't be heard by dispatch.

There is also a suburban Milwaukee PD that started bleeding over this past summer on to our frequency. The first time it happened, they had a vehicle pursuit with the suspect causing accidents and ending in a foot pursuit. It was clear as day. Needless to say we got a little excited when we first heard it trying to figure out which of our cars was in the chase! Then when we heard the squad identifiers and the roads they were travelling on we knew it wasn't any of our guys. Made for a few interesting moments though!

Our dispatch center does the work for the city p.d. and for us (the sheriff's dept) and so all the equipment in their is half paid for by each dept. However, the radio towers are owned by the county only. This has been a big hangup in the city and county's discussion over going to 800mhz. Each is willing to pay for half the new equipment in the building, but they city doesn't want to pay towards the work needed on the towers to make the switch. So instead of getting new technology, our union just files safety grievance after safety grievance due to the problems with the radios. Luckily, no one has been injured yet.

Kenoshacop

KYEMT325
02-06-2002, 03:42
My agency has 800mhz trunking system here for the last 18 months, and we have never had any interference from anyone on our radios. Our department went in with the Lexington Metro Fire Department to get the system, and we both swear by it. It has an almost unlimited capacity for channels (now we have the city transit on our system, county school police, tv stations, etc) and we still have plenty of channels for our own use. We also have the ability to individually call a handheld radio from the console so that no one else hears the conversation (except scanners), and the ability to use phone patches to call headquarters from any handheld or mobile radio. I can also call other agencies with consoles from my console.

We also have the ability to patch multiple channels together for emergency purposes (like patch fire and police and bus system together in an evacuation procedure). This system is really handy to have.

As far as NexTel goes, I think they should move...it's time for law enforcement agencies to realize what's going on...tell the government that we're tired of corporations getting the upper hand in everything and that we've put too much public money into our systems to have a private company screw with it and they have to go. Too bad our lawmakers are nothing but corporate whores, and will probably make us move or tell us to shut down altogether, as to inconvenience a multi-billion dollar company. It's all about the $$

DispNowCopL8r
02-06-2002, 04:24
Well here's the $1 million dollar question...it always seems like with the 800 mhz system, you either like it of hate it...Nextel might be causing some problems, but I doubt that the reason it sucks out here is all because of nextel, there has got to be another reason this system work really good in places or really bad in others (maybe small print on the installation instructions, that only 1/2 the departments decided to read makes the difference, lol) but I think it does have a lot of potential, and a lot channels and perks! So just make the freakin thing work good and sound good and i'll never curse bad at it again!!! How hard is that!