Thread: DEA Diversion to 1811

I know this subject as been talk to death on here, but I thought some might find this info. useful? Per the "DI" office today, no word has come down on the proposal for Diversion to go 1811.

They are still taking applications for the 1801 position, but the conversion is still pending? A recent post response suggested that the DOJ killed the conversion, but according to the "DI" office, they have no word as of yet?

Originally Posted by Temple

I know this subject as been talk to death on here, but I thought some might find this info. useful? Per the "DI" office today, no word has come down on the proposal for Diversion to go 1811.

They are still taking applications for the 1801 position, but the conversion is still pending? A recent post response suggested that the DOJ killed the conversion, but according to the "DI" office, they have no word as of yet?

I had also heard that DOJ officially nixed this from happening.

If true...I wonder what the reason was???

There were a lot of reasons, but they really don't matter anymore. The main thing to keep in mind is that nothing stops any qualified Diversion Investigator who wants to come over as an 1811 from doing so.

I think the thing that keeps this rumor going with DI's is the idea that there would be some kind of grandfather clause where DI's could be converted to 1811's without going though the DEA 1811 training at Quantico. That is never going to happen.

To Group 9's point, there are quite a few DI's that have 6c time credited from appeals and they would like the conversion in order to put together an earlier retirement package.

I believe that this whole proposal is DOA and was only kept alive because DEA and DOJ refused to deal with it head on years ago. Ain't happening. DM

Thanks for the info!!

Originally Posted by dmclark

I believe that this whole proposal is DOA and was only kept alive because DEA and DOJ refused to deal with it head on years ago. Ain't happening. DM

I also beleive that the DI's will also have to eventually submit to polys (the new hires) as the Intell Analists already do and they just started force transfering DI's in the last couple years. The DI might acheive some 6c coverage someday but they will have have to meet that criteria as any other 6c covered postion that is going to mean a age limit, and all the other criteria that comes along with it.....There are a good number of DI's that are retired law enforcement...it is their dream job to investigate but not be saddled with all the other things that come from being active LE. It is a catch22 and we will all see what the future brings

Why don't (or didn't) they submit to Poly's if "IA's" do?

For those in the DEA loop, do the DI's mind that whenever an investigation warrants an arrest or prosecution or seizure, there not usually involved in that aspect and have to turn the arrest, etc over to a S/A.

Good question "DAVE", but I thought they could do seizure?

I was reading an article dated from 9/03 on the "York Daily Record" website. Here was some of the info I got out of it:

"In Aug. 2001, the DEA's Operations Div. issued a memo reminding diversion investigators they cannot conduct surveillance, perform undercover work, pay informants, or serve warrants." An inspector general for the Justice Dept. found the reliance on DEA S/A's & other law enforcement officials had detrimentally affected the quality of DEA Diversion cases."

"Inspectors also found the DEA provides minimal intelligence support to diversion investigators & instead, focuses on developing and analyzing intelligence drug trafficking."

I have a few questions: Were DEA offices letting "DI's" perform some of the above mentioned work? What was the result of the "IG's" report?

The only news I have heard out of my office is that there will be a D/I LEO position but it will remain in the 1801 job series. This may hold true because a majority of FLEO positions are in the 1801 series.

What will that mean for DI's...arrest power, surveillance, etc.?