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11-05-2002, 12:46 #1
How many federal law enforcement agencies are there?
Just how many Federal LE agencies are out there? I was asked that question by a person on another site, and I've been trying to figure it out. So far, I have about 71 distinct agencies.
I've been using lists like the IGNet, OPM, etc to try and find sites. I know I'm missing stuff. Is there a definitive list somewhere? Are there other sites that might list some obscure niche agencies?
There are some things I can't figure out. Are the DOD police on each installation a distinct law enforcement agency or is there and umbrella agency? Who does the Supreme Court Police Department report to, the Marshals or the court?
11-05-2002, 12:53 #2
DoD police work for whatever branch hires them. So in essence you have DoD police hired by the army, navy and air force. You also have DoD police protecting Defense Logistics agency bases and the Defense Protective service. The largest federal POLICE agency is the US Veterans Affairs police with some 2000 federal officers nationwide and have 4 police officers assigned to protecting and assisting Veterans in the Phillipines.
The US Supreme Court police are assigned to the Judicial branch of the government and do not work for the Marshal's service.
There are way too many agencies out there too list."Last week I stated that this woman was the ugliest woman I had ever seen. I have since been visited by her sister and now wish to withdraw that statement. "
11-05-2002, 14:51 #3
The reason I ask about the Supreme Court Police, is that it seems odd to have the judicial branch have a police force (an excutive function). Especially seeing as the USMS is charged with doing the exact same thing.
Is there a certain place in each of the military branches that oversees the DoD police, or are they indpendent organizations with a Cheif of Police reporting to the Provost Marital or what?
11-05-2002, 15:08 #4
When you get to the Supreme Court you are at the top of the third leg of government, Executive, Legislative and Judicial. At that level, autonomy of operation and separation of powers are a core issue.ret.
11-05-2002, 15:40 #5
It's actually good that you brought this up, Two Bit, because there's so much out there and I don't think that most people realize it.
Here's a good way to find out what the agencies are and what they do (and maybe find some jobs!) - this is how I started my job search in 1993, before we had USAJobs and on-line announcements:
I took a copy of the local phone book and went to the blue pages - the Fed government pages. I then began calling various agencies, calling the "general" numbers and working my way down, inquiring about jobs in their "law enforcement or investigative component" or simply asking for information about what they did. Often I got some people on the line who seemed too busy or put off to help me, but just as often, I got people who were very helpful. Often I got to talk to the actual street agents and officers in that agency, who were able to tell me what the work was like and point me in whatever direction I wanted to go. One guy even gave me the numbers of two 1811 colleagues at two different agencies. Not every agency has an "applicant coordinator", and often, speaking to a "regular" agent is just as good - if not better.
Other people still use this approach, because when I became an 1811, I would sometimes field calls from would-be applicants and some even came into the office (this obviously works better in a big metro area, but with the added tool of the internet, it could still be very effective).
Before long, I was sending away for info from MANY agencies, their various hiring programs (outstanding scholar, etc), and keeping a file on each one for future reference (a good idea, since it took me about 2 years to eventually get hired).
Of course, this tactic takes some time and, for that reason, a lot of people won't do it, but I think that anything a person can do that the next applicant is NOT doing can help. Also, all it can do is give you MORE information about the agencies to which folks are applying and the hiring process in general, and in my opinion, an informed applicant will usually end up being a successful one in the long run.
11-05-2002, 19:00 #6
Great advice, krellum. Truth is, Two Bit, that apart from Mr. Ackerman's splendid volume, none of us who have spent years in the business knows. As the late Dr. Carl Sagan used to say, "There are billions and billions of stars out there." Get beyond guns and blue lights and there are investigators for everything from CDC to SEC. Add in police forces, inspectors and a full constellation of others and surely there is something you can find to do with your life that helps others and engages you. At one point, some US Attorney's offices had their own 1811's, maybe still do. Would need somebody from Agriculture to help me, but a couple of years ago there was discussion of giving LE powers to the Tick Riders (ATF SAC makes stuff up, but not this. Tick Riders patrol the border states in the SW making sure diseased Mexican cattle don't cross and mingle with US herds. Problem was they were kicking up as many narcotics smugglers and coyotes running illegals as steers. If my Chief of Police had gotten funding for mounted cops, I would be long retired, so I pay attention to stuff like that).ret.
11-05-2002, 20:31 #7
Tough question to answer...if you track down the USDOJ report on Federal officer killed in the line of duty, it will be a good starting point. BUT, and this is a large "but," USDOJ bases its listing on criteria such as "statutory" authority, which actually excludes a number of law enforcement agencies, such as "DOD Police," who have delegated authority. Bear in mind also that there are a number of non-law enforcement department and organizations within the GOV that have a small cadre of LEO's working for them, as well as folks who are classified in LE job series but who are not truly LEOs.
CustomsCop is right in his explanation of who DOD Police work for, but that does not really address the question you asked, which was, "Are the DOD police on each installation a distinct law enforcement agency or is there and [sic] umbrella agency?" As CustomsCop said, an officer works for a specific branch (Navy, Air Force, etc.) or agency within DOD (e.g., Defense Logistic Agency), not for the "Department of Defense." However, there is no singular "Navy Police" or "Air Force Police"...operational policies do come down from HQ level, but each base (or regional) department is viewed as its own organization.
11-05-2002, 21:06 #8Lieutenant
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The fact that you took the time to add "sic" to denote a misspelled word is most impressive.
11-05-2002, 21:07 #9
for instance we work for the regional security directorate of midlant region, under the command of a navy captain. this command is responsible for security in the entire Mid-Atlantic region. Although this regional command is the center of the law enforcement program, you will find NO uniformity between the bases under this command. Each base police department operates in its own unique way. Different pay grades, rank structure, policies, law enforcement/security objectives, whether officers issue Fed Mag Summons or State Summons, whether officers arrest people or just take them back to their commands to be yelled at, What patches, equipment are worn/used, what patrol vehicles are used, etc. etc. Are all determined by each bases commanding officer.
Thats why I laugh when people talk about "DOD Police" because they spoke with 1 officer at 1 location. Let me repeat for everyone on this board to fully understand, EVERY BASE RUNS ITS LAW ENFORCEMENT PROGRAM IN IT'S OWN WAY.
1 base might use "DOD Police" for gate guard duties only and these officers will never arrest anyone or issue anything other than an armed forces ticket (1408). Another base might have aggressive police patrol where officers are responding to numerous police calls, arresting civilians/military members for transport to city jail, performing aggressive traffic enforcement and issuing state summons. DOD is as unique as the different attitudes of the CO's of the various navy bases.
11-05-2002, 22:26 #10
11-06-2002, 01:08 #11nyfo Guest
One Saturday morning I sat at my computer with nothing to do so I decided to read and view EVERY thread and reply in the Federal Section of this site. I compiled a list of every Dept., Agency, Branch etc. Law Enforcement Agency and classified them as Investigative and Uniformed (in some cases you will find both such as USPP and USCP). I also listed a small synopsis of each agency.
By 8pm that night I had a BEAUTIFUL sheet of federal agencies compled, just in time for the power to go out and erase all of my pbunsaved work
I will try again one day in the future but untill then I just assume the FBI does everything (kidding of course)!
Good Day, Sirs!
11-06-2002, 04:10 #12TEXASBPA Guest
I believe they did give the tick riders some sort of very narrow LE authority. What it is I'm not sure, I'll have to ask one of them next time I see them. I believe they are allowed to carry firearms, but I'm not positive on that either. For what it's worth, one of them down here actually has a red bubble on his truck, but he's still got the horse trailer attached to the back. They do answer call-outs from us and do get involved in cases of cattle rustling (for all those of you who thought that went by the wayside, it's alive and well on the border). Like i said, next time I bump inot one I'll try to remeber to get the specifics for you.
11-06-2002, 14:11 #13Lieutenant
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In 1943, the problem that had stimulated formation of the association was declared eradicated and a quarantine zone was established in the Lower Rio Grande Valley of Texas. More than 30 years later, ticks moved out of that quarantine area, and the organization at its meeting in 1976 called for the declaration of an emergency and funding for an eradication effort. In 1982, Congress authorized federal tick riders to carry firearms, so "Texas fever" had come full circle, from cowboys carrying firearms to force cattle drives past "shotgun quarantines" by those opposed to the cattle movements; to inspectors carrying firearms to protect themselves while examining cattle for ticks.
According to the above, which I found on a USDA web site, them boyz do got guns.
I did not need to know this group existsed. I may have to add them to the list of agencies for which I want to work. I will put it in the column called "Pay Cut Required" and cross-reference it with "Crappy Locations." When a job makes both columns, I usually get the CINCHOUSE veto.
11-06-2002, 14:15 #14TEXASBPA Guest
Bear in mind, you must provide your own horse. the DOA will pay for food and vet bills, but the caballo is on your dime. They don't make a whole lot of the green stuff, but most seem to like the job. They can be found from Del Rio, South to the Rio Grande Valley.
11-06-2002, 18:06 #15
Out of curiosity, what does the little paperclip icon on this forum mean?
The following is the list of agencies that I've found so far. Am I missing anything:
Federal Law Enforcement Agencies in Executive Departments
Department of Agriculture
USDA Forest Service
USDA Office of the Inspector General
Department of Commerce
Department of Commerce Police at Mountain Administrative Support Center
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) - National Marine Fisheries - Office for Law Enforcement
National Institute of Standards and Technology Police
Office of Security
Department of Defense
Defense Criminal Investigative Service (DCIS)
Naval Criminal Investigative Service
US Air Force Office of Special Investigations
US Air Force Security Forces
US Army Military Police
US Army Criminal Investigation Command (CID)
US Marine Corps Security and Law Enforcement Branch
United States Naval Academy Police Department
National Security Agency Police
Defense Logistics Agency Criminal Investigations Activity (DCIA)
Department of Education
Department of Energy
Department of Health and Human Services
National Institutes of Health Police
Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD)
Department of Interior
Bureau of Indian Affairs Law Enforcement Services
National Park Service
US Fish and Wildlife Service - Office of Law Enforcement
US Park Police
Department of Justice
Office of the Inspector General
Drug Enforcement Administration
Federal Bureau of Investigation
Federal Bureau of Prisons
Immigration and Naturalization Service
US Border Patrol
United States Marshals Service
Department of Labor
Department of State
Department of State - Office of the Inspector General
Bureau of Diplomatic Security
Agency for International Development - Office of the Inspector General
Department of Transportation
Federal Aviation Administration - Civil Aviation Security
US Coast Guard
US Coast Guard Investigative Service
Department of Treasury
Office of the Inspector General
Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms
Bureau of Engraving and Printing (BEP) Police Operations Division
Internal Revenue Service - CID
Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration
US Customs Service
United States Mint Police
United States Secret Service
Department of Veterans Affairs
Office of Investigations (OIG)
Office of Security and Law Enforcement "VA Police"
Independent Establishments and Government Corporations Police Agencies
Amtrak - Office of the Inspector General
Amtrak Police Department
Appalachian Regional Commission - Office of the Inspector General
Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) - Office of the Inspector General
CIA Security Protective Service (K9)
Center for CIA Security
Environmental Protection Agency - Office of Criminal Enforcement- CID
Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) Office of the Inspector General
General Services Administration - Federal Protective Service
General Services Administration- Office of the Inspector General
NASA Office of the Inspector General - Investigations
National Zoological Park Police
Peace Corps-Office of the Inspector General
Tennessee Valley Authority Office of the Inspector General
Tennessee Valley Authority Police
US Postal Service - Office of the Inspector General
US Postal Inspection Service
Miscellaneous Federal Law Enforcement Agencies
Supreme Court Police
General Accounting Office - Office of Special Investigations
US Capitol Police