Thread: Mayor bloomberg announces results of undercover investigation into firearms sales at

Jonathan. Just giving you the details on this one, the private investigators told the seller that they could not pass a background check and were still sold the guns.

And yes, the bottom line here with all of these politicians is that they want face time. And Bloomberg wants national level face time. He spent several millions out of pocket during the last election, only to win by a bit more than 5%, from a candidate that spent waaaaay less than he did. FYI - Please don't fall for Guilianis b.s. either -

Originally Posted by papimike

Yeah man, clarify it - again, NOT NYPD.

With that said, I'm the messenger.

We all have our different views about this, and those of us who are pro gun are gonna be blindly and ferociously against these tactics. Those of us who are anti gun are gonna be blindly and ferociously for these tactics.

Agreed, not NYPD. I also agree that you're the messenger, and I didn't have a problem with you and the info you reported in the post I was quoting from, just the message itself, provided by this group of mayors. When you quote someone and then respond to the words in the quote, it's sometimes implied that the response is directed toward the poster themselves. That wasn't the case in my last post.

Okay, that said, my previous comments have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with a pro- or anti-gun stance. In fact, I only mentioned the gun part because that's the context of this whole thing (and Mike my friend, I never even mentioned whether I was pro- or anti-gun, you just assumed). If you're reading that into it, you're grossly misconstruing my point. Put the specific issue aside, in this case guns, and I am still floored by the arrogance of this mayor to hire a team of investigators to travel to another city in another state to conduct investigative activity in the name of his city (and it's in the name of his city, whether he used his own money or public funds). The fact that the object of his scorn in this case is guns is 100% irrelevant to my point. Put another way, my disgust with this story has NOTHING to do with what Bloomberg is targeting, it's COMPLETELY about how he's targeting it. He has no business operating in this arena (specifically, as a city mayor, hiring a team to essentially conduct investigations in a remote city). Period.

Come on, you can't possibly think a Mayor who favors term limits for everyone except himself is arrogant...

Anyone want to explain how this ISN'T an illegal firearms trafficking operation? Bloomburg doesn't have the legal authority to do this in Newark, let alone several time zones away. Is there any reason why he and his "investigators" shouldn't be charged with criminal violations? This has nothing to do with the fact that the items in question are guns. Change guns to meth and you have the same thing. How do you think he would respond if Sheriff Arpaio sent folks he contracted to do enforcement work on illegal immigrants in NYC? I suspect Bloomburg would be looking for charges filed, and he'd be right.

Irish: Hats off on the Sheriff Joe analogy. So true.

Irish, I suspect it comes down to having people legally entitled to buy guns do just that. Assuming they didn't use fake IDs, false names, or violate various Federal and state laws, the "investigators" likely would not have committed a crime. This isn't a criminal investigation or even a real fact finding investigation, it's just showmanship. Like holding a press conference one day to talk about your city continuing to have its lowest level of violent crime in decades, then later talking about how you need to fix the nation's gun control because of how other states are contributing to the dangers in your city.

Who does Bloomberg think he is? Michael Moore? Chris Hansen??

I'll bet he thinks there is drug violence in Mexico because assault rifles are being sold in the U.S. and exported to Mexico. Forget the violence bred into the drug cartels down there...its all the U.S.'s fault and the fault of the guns.

It sounds like the time, money, and resources could be put to better use.

-OT

The bottom line is grand standing. The disgust in many of us who thought the 2 term limit was it for Bloomie, only to find him on the ballot again for a 3rd term - WTF?! Arrogance? Hell yeah. Hence forth, again, I voted for the other guy last election. Keep in mind, money talks. One of my buds who use to be on Bloomies security detail told me of many stories, such as when they flew to China on Bloomies personal jet. They land in China, security detail armed, and they walk off the plane onto the tarmac and into a waiting limo. They sit there for 5 minutes, Chinese Customs/Immigration comes and stamps their passports right in the limo, then they go about their business. Money talks. -- Again just the messenger. ---- And LA, noooooo. I wasn't pegging you. As you said, sometimes these messages get a bit misconstrued.

And on a side note. I'm sure a few folks on this board know about Kroll. It is a quality organization. The 'undercovers' who did this deal, and others in other states, are all retired federal agents.

Originally Posted by nsedet

Irish, I suspect it comes down to having people legally entitled to buy guns do just that. Assuming they didn't use fake IDs, false names, or violate various Federal and state laws, the "investigators" likely would not have committed a crime. This isn't a criminal investigation or even a real fact finding investigation, it's just showmanship. Like holding a press conference one day to talk about your city continuing to have its lowest level of violent crime in decades, then later talking about how you need to fix the nation's gun control because of how other states are contributing to the dangers in your city.

Assuming they used full true names, addresses, etc, it would be tough to find a chargeable offense. The use of the term "undercover" in the article leads me to believe that perhaps they didn't use full true information. In my opinion, it should be investigated and if there's one tiny thing out of line there should be prosecutions, including the criminal ringleader mayor.

Brewer Slams New York City Mayor for Phoenix Gun Show Sting

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011...#ixzz1CuctFJ9O

Michael Bloomberg's undercover investigation at a gun show in Arizona must be a result of the extra time the mayor has on his hands from running the well-oiled machine that is New York City, says Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer.

The governor, appearing Tuesday night on Fox News' "On the Record With Greta Van Susteren," said it's "interesting" that Bloomberg chose to launch a sting operation in the Grand Canyon state.

"He's out here in Arizona solving our problems. I guess he believes that he has solved all the problems in New York," Brewer said.

Just weeks after the mass shooting in Tucson reopened the debate about gun control, Bloomberg used New York City funds to send undercover agents to a Phoenix gun show. The investigators captured video allegedly showing vendors failing to require background checks of gun buyers.

Federal law requires background checks on individuals before firearms may be purchased from a federally licensed dealer, manufacturer or importer. However, a "loophole" in the law allows sales at gun shows by "occasional sellers," which gun control advocates say allows anyone -- felon, drug addict, terrorist or otherwise -- to circumvent the law.

Bloomberg defended his sting by saying many of the guns purchased at gun shows in other states end up on the streets of New York City. A long-time advocate for gun control, he formed "Mayors Against Illegal Guns" in 2006, a coalition of more than 500 U.S. mayors that are dedicated to cracking down on illegal guns.

But Arizona officials say they aren't pleased with what they consider an overstep of jurisdictional boundaries.

Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio wondered why Bloomberg didn't notify his office about any alleged violations.

"First we have elected officials sticking their noses in the immigration issue and now this," Arpaio tweeted on his Real Sheriff Joe Twitter account.

"Why is Mayor Bloomberg concerned about law enforcement in my county? Maybe I should send undercover deputies to New York," he tweeted.

Brewer said she has no intention to send investigators to New York in response.

"I'll let him take care of his state," she said of the mayor.

She defended her state's rules on guns, which are among the most lax in the nation, saying, "Arizona's laws are sound."

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011...#ixzz1CucyOing

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Bold emphasis is mine.

Abuse of public office. Inappropriate use of public funds. Possibilities for criminal conspiracy charges seem pretty clear to me.

Contacting Sheriff Joe before or after the op would have been a nice courtesy, but that would take away from Bloomies national spotlight. Don't let any of them fool you, just like Guiliani, the day before 9/11, Blooomies approval rating is around 35%.

Mike:

Your PM box is full.

Irish, I agree.............if the scenario was reversed, Doomberg would be looking into pursuing crim. charges, or at least having press conferences about it.

Cleared -