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    Fed Maximum Age

    I have noticed that Border Patrol has upped the maximum age to 40 and from what I understand they are under the Fed LE covered retirement system. Has anyone heard of any other Fed LE agencies changing the maximum age from 37 to 40.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CU4LA View Post
    I have noticed that Border Patrol has upped the maximum age to 40 and from what I understand they are under the Fed LE covered retirement system. Has anyone heard of any other Fed LE agencies changing the maximum age from 37 to 40.
    Border Patrol did not up the maximum age they are just granting a waiver for the time being to fill much needed slots. There would have to be a change of law for the age to be raised permanently and I would not expect to be seeing that ever happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CU4LA View Post
    I have noticed that Border Patrol has upped the maximum age to 40 and from what I understand they are under the Fed LE covered retirement system. Has anyone heard of any other Fed LE agencies changing the maximum age from 37 to 40.
    U.S. Secret Service Uniformed Division 0083 & Physical Security Specialist 0080 have also granted a waiver until 40 years old. Not sure about any other agencies.
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    thanks for this info bro

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    As we've stated here several times, the agencies are granted the waiver authority by OPM. This is not a blanket authority, but must be specifically requested by the agency.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NYLSC View Post
    Border Patrol did not up the maximum age they are just granting a waiver for the time being to fill much needed slots. There would have to be a change of law for the age to be raised permanently and I would not expect to be seeing that ever happen.
    Hard to say because as baby boomers begin to retire, expect to see labor shortages in many areas. FLE jobs cannot be done by illegal aliens or off shored to China. They demand candidates with integrity and ability.

    I would not be surprised to see more federal agencies with recruiting problems trying to raise the maximum age. Some local police departments and state investigative agencies will hire 40 somethings if they otherwise qualify.
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    Didn't the maximum age used to be 35?

    I know the National Guard raised their maximum age.

    I would be very surprised if the maximum doesn't hit 40 some day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmader72 View Post
    Didn't the maximum age used to be 35?

    I know the National Guard raised their maximum age.

    I would be very surprised if the maximum doesn't hit 40 some day.
    When 6(c) became effective in the mid-70's the maximum entry age was 35 and the mandatory retirement age was 55.

    Along with a whole lot of things that were done at the end of the 80's and in the early 90's, like at grade AUO, locality pay, and LEAP, the 6(c) ages were changed to 37/57.
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    Worth remembering that raising the maximum hiring age also raises the minimum retirement age. Can't open one door without opening the other and one of the draws to covered positions has always been the ability to retire early at full benefits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ATF SAC View Post
    Worth remembering that raising the maximum hiring age also raises the minimum retirement age. Can't open one door without opening the other and one of the draws to covered positions has always been the ability to retire early at full benefits.
    Sorry to disagree, but when the maximum hiring age was raised to 37 from 35 in about 1989, the minimum retirement age of 50 did not change. In fact under FERS agents can now retire as young as 46 if they have 25 years in FLE (starting at age 21 which a few have). So I don't think that raising the hiring age has to mean raising the retirement age.

    HOWEVER as demographics and federal budgets change in the next 20 years, it is entirely possible that a future Congress would consider raising the minimum retirement age to 55 because the average American life span is increasing and money available for pensions is decreasing.

    It is worth remembering that when social security was enacted in 1935, the median age for men in America was 65. Half died before that and never collected from the system. My grandfather died in 1935 at age 63. Now the median age is up to 72 for American men, but is probably higher for those in FLE because that figure includes street people, those with chronic diseases etc. FLE officers are screened for health and lifestyle issues before entry on duty.

    In the 1940's a man in his 50's was considered old. Just look at the men now running Iron Man competitions at that age and beating much younger competitors. Just as many American men are more obese, a substantial minority are in really good shape and may easily live past 100. Throwing them out at age 57 as being over-the-hill may be outdated thinking by 2027.
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    Not a disagreement as much as a different focus. The minimum retirement age did stay at 50 under CSRS, but the key factor was "with 20 Years service." My reference of raising the minimum retirement age was solely on those who entered beyond 37, whose minimum retirement age would be 57 or plus the number of years beyond 37 they were when they entered the system. However, I was primarily thinking of FERS when I posted. For personnel joining the system at 32 the minimum retirement age would be 52; 25 years of service would be 57- the current mandatory.

    Regardless of how we view it, we both concur that it creates upward pressure on the retirement age. As that upward pressure gets closer to the minimum age and service for non-6C, then I think a lot of us who have been in the system for a long time would be properly concerned that we were abandoning the reasoning behind early, non-penalty retirement which is the "younger, vigorous workforce".

    The structure behind the 6c type retirement is not that LE or firefighting is cooler than anybody else, but that the work requires a different workforce. Abandon that and you should properly abandon the benefit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CustomsGS View Post
    Some local police departments and state investigative agencies will hire 40 somethings if they otherwise qualify.
    We don't have any maximum age. When I was doing my year in jail, I heard supervisor lament that we didn't have enough gray on our shift. The young guys got in a lot of altercations. Those of us who were a little older had an easier time taking control even when we were just as aggressive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NYLSC View Post
    Border Patrol did not up the maximum age they are just granting a waiver for the time being to fill much needed slots. There would have to be a change of law for the age to be raised permanently and I would not expect to be seeing that ever happen.
    There's a bill before the House that would raise the maximum Border Patrol entry age to 45 for retired military (H.R. 311).
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    Agencies Can Set Their Own Max Age for LEOs

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