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  1. #166
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    Quote Originally Posted by ORfarm View Post
    Does this mean the most current announcement will be put on complete hold, i.e. the hiring officials wont even interview at this point?
    My assumption, and pure speculation, is that they do not have the resources to hire both IOI's and Special Agents. Meaning Special Agents would get the priority. Leaving the IOI to wait till they clear the Agents. This would cause the hiring process for IOI to grind to an almost halt the entire process for IOI's. Agents are more important as they can fill multiple roles within the agency and have been for the past few years sparking the new hiring authority for IOI's in 2014. For those of you not familiar with the ATF stood up on 1 July 1972. Doing the Math the entire force is pretty much due for retirement pretty soon. In fact 50% of the force in the next 7 years will retire. Opportunities lie within the organization so keep with it and you will have a nice career it's just a little time between. For me it's been over 2 years and others have had to wait 3 years but after this you are set for life.

  2. #167
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    MAPolice, your history is a little fractured there, but I like the way you framed your speculation. My avatar picture is not me in my first G car; it is Eliot Ness. Sitting behind him is Wallpaper Wolf and another of the Untouchables is standing alongside. Ness was a supervisor for the then Bureau of Prohibition which is one of the many antecedents of ATF. In 1972, the then Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms Division of the IRS was transferred into the then stand alone Bureau. The roots of IOI's and ATF agents go all the way back to the first government under the Constitution. Alexander Hamilton, the first Treasury secretary, oversaw the implementation of the first Federal tax on distilled spirits. His handwritten document describing equipment he issued and how to use it to determine the alcohol content of spirits for tax purposes was in the ATF HQ library last time I saw it. The history of ATF has many branches and locations and those first tax assessors were in some ways the beginning of the enforcement, revenue and regulatory missions of U.S. Customs (HSI/CBP now), IRS, ATF and the current Alcohol and Tobacco Tax and Trade Bureau in Treasury (formed out of ATF in 2003 when ATF went to DOJ.). TTB is also a great opportunity for folks who find the IOI profession intriguing.

    Folks hired in 1972 and before are well into retirement by now, but you are right that generations that followed are also approaching retirement age. I would actually disagree that agents are more important than IOI's. Different jobs but both vital. Single most common question I got asked is how Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives get put together. The answer is they are all subject to some extent to a scheme of integrated revenue, regulatory and law enforcement control that works to enable legitimate commerce and curtails criminal activity. Need all hands to the oars.

    However, there are more agents in the workforce and the logistics of filling vacancies, coordinating their training (two schools) and moving the numbers does eat up the bandwidth of the personnel office for a period of time, hopefully short. Once they push current applicants for agent down the path a little, it'll settle down and they can move along the IOIs. More logistics than importance. Fair chance that interviews will be scheduled and held for those at that stage. Slow down will be more with new applicants whose packages need to be reviewed.

    For a lot of reasons that will benefit you should you be hired and due to the 2003 split of functions, the IOI position is in a more general job series now. But for almost all of my career, what were then ATF Inspectors were in the job series, 1854. That classification was unique to that position and it's title was Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms Inspector. It recognized the unique and special role of the position in government and I kind of miss it. 1972 was a hallmark year, but it is kind of fun to reflect that the job you are seeking goes all the way back to the first days of a new nation and was high on the list of "What do we need to get done around here."
    Last edited by ATF SAC; 07-23-2014 at 10:46.
    ret.

  3. #168
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    Thanks for the input! What I meant by stood up, it became its own organization not attached to the IRS. I appreciate the detail in your response.

  4. #169
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    I have been following this thread since the announcement last August. I interviewed in the beginning of this year and like everyone else was told 30 days. That was the last of what i heard, I was not called for a background investigation as i was apparently not the leading candidate. Fast forward to end of May when a lot of people were saying that their USA jobs accounts updated again, many reflecting updates from referred to received. I received an update in USA jobs then to but it went referred to referred, which it still says.

    I am wondering if anyone else on here who interviewed but was not called as a leading candidate had the same thing happen and is still lost in never knowing land? I ask because I just saw someone recently post that they turned down a North Carolina position and two of my application areas were in North Carolina. I would just like final resolution one way or the other is all. My smarter side says its all but over but without anything saying that, I have to wonder.

  5. #170
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    Quote Originally Posted by ROC007 View Post
    Declined offer for NC. Good luck to everyone else in the process.
    Do you mind saying what location(s) in NC you declined?

    Thank you.

  6. #171
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    I also have the same situation as you,went from referred to referred and have heard nothing. I also applied to Wilmington, NC.

  7. #172
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    Quote Originally Posted by revivemylife View Post
    Do you mind saying what location(s) in NC you declined?

    Thank you.

  8. #173
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    Quote Originally Posted by revivemylife View Post
    I have been following this thread since the announcement last August. I interviewed in the beginning of this year and like everyone else was told 30 days. That was the last of what i heard, I was not called for a background investigation as i was apparently not the leading candidate. Fast forward to end of May when a lot of people were saying that their USA jobs accounts updated again, many reflecting updates from referred to received. I received an update in USA jobs then to but it went referred to referred, which it still says.

    I am wondering if anyone else on here who interviewed but was not called as a leading candidate had the same thing happen and is still lost in never knowing land? I ask because I just saw someone recently post that they turned down a North Carolina position and two of my application areas were in North Carolina. I would just like final resolution one way or the other is all. My smarter side says its all but over but without anything saying that, I have to wonder.
    I interviewed in March. Never heard anything and my status is still saying referred. I contact HR in May and my locations were Macon and Atlanta, GA. HR told me they had selected all their leading candidates for those areas. I think they pretty much selected who they wanted for the 8/2013 announcement.

    I applied to the second announcement. I have to admit I'm so tired of applying for jobs, interviewing and not being selected. These last five yrs has been rough looking for jobs! I'm glad I have a job, but I need a better paying job to be able to pay my student loans back and survive.

  9. #174
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    Quote Originally Posted by revivemylife View Post
    I have been following this thread since the announcement last August. I interviewed in the beginning of this year and like everyone else was told 30 days. That was the last of what i heard, I was not called for a background investigation as i was apparently not the leading candidate. Fast forward to end of May when a lot of people were saying that their USA jobs accounts updated again, many reflecting updates from referred to received. I received an update in USA jobs then to but it went referred to referred, which it still says.

    I am wondering if anyone else on here who interviewed but was not called as a leading candidate had the same thing happen and is still lost in never knowing land? I ask because I just saw someone recently post that they turned down a North Carolina position and two of my application areas were in North Carolina. I would just like final resolution one way or the other is all. My smarter side says its all but over but without anything saying that, I have to wonder.
    I applied for the 8/13 announcement. Interviewed in January and was told I did fantastic and that DC has the final say. They also said that classes may be small and based on funding and how quickly background checks could be completed. I was told first classes start in June and that March-April they would start calling people or notifying them otherwise.

    Flash forward to end of June my application also went from referred to referred. Which I thought was odd, like they updated it on their end but not on USAJOBS. I have a security clearance now. I'm still hopeful with the sheer number of vacancies they had that there's still a chance. Though everyday I feel less confident.

  10. #175
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    AT this time the August/2013 job announcement has been filled with all the candidates that they will be choosing, anyone who was waiting for further confirmation here it is.

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    Anyone heard any information in regards to progression with the most recent announcement?

  12. #177
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    Quote Originally Posted by MAPolice View Post
    AT this time the August/2013 job announcement has been filled with all the candidates that they will be choosing, anyone who was waiting for further confirmation here it is.
    Did you hear something from HR today or is this a hypothesis based on the fact we are two weeks out from class.

  13. #178
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    He is correct

    Quote Originally Posted by Rockytop View Post
    Did you hear something from HR today or is this a hypothesis based on the fact we are two weeks out from class.
    Rockytop,

    Ma police is correct. All of the individuals that are selected to attend class on the 18th has been contacted. I spoke with an area supervisor who checked into this as I have friends that are hopeful they will get a call as well that applied to the 8/13 announcement. Further, she did state that in regards to the new list it may be as slow or slower than our process since there is a push to get special agents on board to cover those that have and are retiring soon. It makes perfect sense whereas there is one group of hr specialist that handles everything in regards to people coming, going, etc etc.
    all I can say is patience on top of patience will be in order for the new group as it was in order for us. It will be a year from start to finish by the time we start training so I could only imagine how long it would be for those that recently applied.

  14. #179
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigal35 View Post
    Rockytop,

    Ma police is correct. All of the individuals that are selected to attend class on the 18th has been contacted. I spoke with an area supervisor who checked into this as I have friends that are hopeful they will get a call as well that applied to the 8/13 announcement. Further, she did state that in regards to the new list it may be as slow or slower than our process since there is a push to get special agents on board to cover those that have and are retiring soon. It makes perfect sense whereas there is one group of hr specialist that handles everything in regards to people coming, going, etc etc.
    all I can say is patience on top of patience will be in order for the new group as it was in order for us. It will be a year from start to finish by the time we start training so I could only imagine how long it would be for those that recently applied.
    10-4, I have friend in the same boat as yours and they haven't heard anything as well. I guess I was just trying to keep hope alive.

  15. #180
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    Quote Originally Posted by ORfarm View Post
    Anyone heard any information in regards to progression with the most recent announcement?
    They called today to schedule an interview.


 

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