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  1. #46
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    Quote Originally Posted by nsedet View Post
    Up to 150, but it’s all contingent on a budget getting passed that provides the necessary funding.
    Budget? When will we actually have a budget and not a CR is the million dollar question.
    It is better to be feared than loved, if you cannot be both. - Niccolo Machiavelli

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    I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. - Colonel Jessup

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    Quote Originally Posted by esflea View Post
    I have an aunt and a sister who are in HR, and your remark about reviewers is correct, both in private industry and in the government.
    Admin GS-5's to 7's make the wheels go round and round, round and round, round and round.
    It is better to be feared than loved, if you cannot be both. - Niccolo Machiavelli

    Most people respect the badge, everybody respects the gun.

    I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. - Colonel Jessup

  3. #48
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    Been a long while since I've been on here but to add the to screener/HR info...I recently put in for an HSI position I knew I wouldn't get accepted for, but I just wanted to see what would happen. As a prior ICE OI / HSI agent I figured it was worth a shot. I got a thanks but no thanks email, but it gave me the wrong reason code for not being found eligible. My interest peaked, I emailed the HR contact. She promptly wrote me back asking some basic info, and when I told her I wasn't a current HSI employee she told me to call her. Thinking I was going to get yelled at for wasting her time, but still interested, I called her and had the exact opposite experience. She tried to pitch me on contacting my local office and trying to go through direct hiring. It was refreshing and good to find people willing to go out of their way to help someone else. Reminded me of Virginia, anyone else remember Virginia from ages ago?
    “The fringes of their deserts were strewn with broken faiths.”
    ― T.E. Lawrence, Seven Pillars of Wisdom: A Triumph

  4. #49
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    the thing that's disconcerting about the screener is that i ventured over to the delphi forums one day and many a people were endorsing the tactic of lying on the screener. essentially, put max experience on each answer, even if that's not true. they say that the screener is completely decoupled from the hiring process. it's never asked about again at any point in the hiring process and appears to not even be available for interviewers to review. the posters at delphi go on further to say that there are countless people who have done this and are now agents.

    now, obviously this is unethical and i guess i just won't be an HSI agent if i can't get past the screener with honest answers. with that said, if the above is true, it is very disheartening.

  5. #50
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    edit to clarify: the screener is not completely decoupled from the hiring process. it obviously screens people out from being determined best qualified and therefore moving on. i mean to say that after the BQ determination, the screener disappears into the universe and is not brought up again.

  6. #51
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    Quote Originally Posted by Emaichbe03 View Post
    edit to clarify: the screener is not completely decoupled from the hiring process. it obviously screens people out from being determined best qualified and therefore moving on. i mean to say that after the BQ determination, the screener disappears into the universe and is not brought up again.
    Not true. In certain limited aspects it may be the case depending on the agency, i.e., hiring panel may or may not have access to your responses, but the selecting official, personnel security, OPR and others have it. Unfortunately, government-wide, OPM does a poor job of evaluating responses to see if they are supported by the resume because they rely on the selecting officials to do that. How effective that is varies wildly, but FLE agencies tend to be better at it. Misleading answer get an applicant through the automated screening, but are generally tripped up later in the process. I’ve seen applicants screened out, fired after starting the academy, and in at least one case saw a career employee resign as a result of false responses to a questionnaire for another position within the same agency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nsedet View Post
    Not true. In certain limited aspects it may be the case depending on the agency, i.e., hiring panel may or may not have access to your responses, but the selecting official, personnel security, OPR and others have it. Unfortunately, government-wide, OPM does a poor job of evaluating responses to see if they are supported by the resume because they rely on the selecting officials to do that. How effective that is varies wildly, but FLE agencies tend to be better at it. Misleading answer get an applicant through the automated screening, but are generally tripped up later in the process. I’ve seen applicants screened out, fired after starting the academy, and in at least one case saw a career employee resign as a result of false responses to a questionnaire for another position within the same agency.
    Way more people slip through the cracks than get caught and disciplined, though, and that can be pretty disheartening. In a career where integrity is a very necessary trait, it's unfortunate that many people get their start by misrepresenting their qualifications. Obviously, not everyone does this, but it does happen.

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    What’s that old Seinfeld line?

    It’s not a lie if you believe it.
    Book 'em Dan-o.


 

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